Cornell at Dartmouth postgame

[RedintheGreen]

If it's any consolation the Dartmouth Hockey team are pretty much all in the same fraternity and it's quite possible that they all partied a little too hard last night.  Hopefully they will be hungover and Colgate can take a win from them.

[marty]

[quote CTUCK1]I love the guy.  He's why I follow Cornell hockey.  But I think this has been an off year for him in terms of getting the most out of a hockey club.  

Way too much reliance on a bunch of guys who are just not getting it done.  In past years, we've always made it further than our talent would suggest.  This year the reverse is true.  I think you have to chalk at least some of that up to coaching.[/quote]

I do have a question here.  Have you ever laced up a pair of skates?::scream::

Actually two questions.  Do you use laces or velcro for your street shoes?;-)

Sorry, but most of us who have tried to do anything remotely approaching the play of D-1 hockey should keep our collective mouths shut, else we might be accused of having our heads in a dark place ourselves.

This year, at times, the team has outperformed any reasonable expectations.

[ryeguy]

[quote RedintheGreen]If it's any consolation the Dartmouth Hockey team are pretty much all in the same fraternity and it's quite possible that they all partied a little too hard last night.  Hopefully they will be hungover and Colgate can take a win from them.[/quote]

LOL! Hope your right. Colgate should be hungry for a win, it's been a while. It's actually weird hoping that Dex plays as well as he did against us @ 'gate and the Burton-Winchester show is in full swing.

[ryeguy]

[quote CTUCK1]  Way too much reliance on a bunch of guys who are just not getting it done.  In past years, we've always made it further than our talent would suggest.  This year the reverse is true.  I think you have to chalk at least some of that up to coaching.[/quote]

Agree with this.

[ryeguy]

Call me superstitious but who's planning on starting this tonight? Better yet, who's brave enough? billhoward please? ::uptosomething::

[Rita]

[quote ryeguy]Call me superstitious but who's planning on starting this tonight? Better yet, who's brave enough? billhoward please? ::uptosomething::[/quote]

Not me [0-2-0 0.000 Rita (Dartmouth, SLU)]!! :-O

However, I will update the "other scores" thread .

I feel somewhat at fault for yesterday's loss. It was a "game day" and I didn't wear red. I didn't know that wearing black would turn our powerplay unit into stone statues. I didn't make that mistake today, I'm wearing my red Cornell sweatshirt. ;-)

LGR!

[jtwcornell91]

[quote ryeguy][quote CTUCK1]  Way too much reliance on a bunch of guys who are just not getting it done.  In past years, we've always made it further than our talent would suggest.  This year the reverse is true.  I think you have to chalk at least some of that up to coaching.[/quote]

Agree with this.[/quote]

After losing McKee, O'Byrne and Pokulok, most of us expected a downturn based on the talent.   We have a good Freshman class, but remember that when the Class of 2003 were frosh, we finished 7th in the ECAC, with a losing record.

[Trotsky]

[quote jtwcornell91]After losing McKee, O'Byrne and Pokulok, most of us expected a downturn based on the talent.   We have a good Freshman class, but remember that when the Class of 2003 were frosh, we finished 7th in the ECAC, with a losing record.[/quote]Exactly so.  A rebuilding year used to mean sub-.500, now it means playing for a bye on the final night of the season.  That's improvement.

[cth95]

Now I know why I haven't bothered to go to Dartmouth despite living in Vermont for 10 years.

Seriously, this team is frustrating to watch, but I suppose that is expected when they are so young.  I expect mistakes like some of the turnovers that led to goals, but what I don't understand is how they have played so flat so many times this year.  You don't need experience to play with energy.

There were about 15 minutes total throughout the game when Cornell was just flying and dominating the game.  They even had one very good powerplay early in the first.  Unfortunately, nothing ever came of the little bit of time Cornell did play well.

Instead, during the rest of the game, we gave up more turnovers and left more opposing players wide-open on rebounds than in any game I can remember in the last few years.  Blame Davenport all you want, but I was sitting right above his goal line in the 1st and 3rd.  He may not have been as sharp as he could have been, but I don't know how many times I saw 2 or 3 Dartmouth players breaking into the zone with only one of our defensemen back, forcing Davenport to continually take the open man with the puck with no D to help him.

[CTUCK1]

(fetal position)

[Will]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote ryeguy][quote CTUCK1]  Way too much reliance on a bunch of guys who are just not getting it done.  In past years, we've always made it further than our talent would suggest.  This year the reverse is true.  I think you have to chalk at least some of that up to coaching.[/quote]

Agree with this.[/quote]

After losing McKee, O'Byrne and Pokulok, most of us expected a downturn based on the talent.   We have a good Freshman class, but remember that when the Class of 2003 were frosh, we finished 7th in the ECAC, with a losing record.[/quote]

Incorrect.  In the 1999-2000 season, Cornell finished 4th in the ECAC at 10-9-1 in conference and an overall record of 16-14-2.  You're probably thinking of the 1998-1999 season (9-10-3 ECAC, 12-15-4 overall).

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Will][quote jtwcornell91][quote ryeguy][quote CTUCK1]  Way too much reliance on a bunch of guys who are just not getting it done.  In past years, we've always made it further than our talent would suggest.  This year the reverse is true.  I think you have to chalk at least some of that up to coaching.[/quote]

Agree with this.[/quote]

After losing McKee, O'Byrne and Pokulok, most of us expected a downturn based on the talent.   We have a good Freshman class, but remember that when the Class of 2003 were frosh, we finished 7th in the ECAC, with a losing record.[/quote]

Incorrect.  In the 1999-2000 season, Cornell finished 4th in the ECAC at 10-9-1 in conference and an overall record of 16-14-2.  You're probably thinking of the 1998-1999 season (9-10-3 ECAC, 12-15-4 overall).[/quote]

Oops.  I suck at math. :-}

[ugarte]

[quote jtwcornell91][quote Will][quote jtwcornell91][quote ryeguy][quote CTUCK1]  Way too much reliance on a bunch of guys who are just not getting it done.  In past years, we've always made it further than our talent would suggest.  This year the reverse is true.  I think you have to chalk at least some of that up to coaching.[/quote]

Agree with this.[/quote]

After losing McKee, O'Byrne and Pokulok, most of us expected a downturn based on the talent.   We have a good Freshman class, but remember that when the Class of 2003 were frosh, we finished 7th in the ECAC, with a losing record.[/quote]

Incorrect.  In the 1999-2000 season, Cornell finished 4th in the ECAC at 10-9-1 in conference and an overall record of 16-14-2.  You're probably thinking of the 1998-1999 season (9-10-3 ECAC, 12-15-4 overall).[/quote]

Oops.  I suck at math. :-}[/quote]
The math was off but the point still kinda holds. When the 2002 (NCAA QF) seniors were frosh, we finished 7th in the ECAC, with a barely losing record. When we added the frosh from the class of 2003, we finished 4th in the ECAC with a barely winning record. We improved a little more in 2001 and followed it with two years so outstanding that expectations for hockey under Schafer have reached unrealistic football-at-FSU levels among some of the fans.

An underclassman-heavy team with so-so goaltending has a first round bye. As the underclassmen improve (and the incoming classes look to be good as well) - and the goaltending improves (something I don't doubt will happen either) we are looking at the base of an excellent team.