Fencing
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Fencing
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 25, 2022 09:32AM
I know nothing about fencing but just noticed that the team is 19-0 and ranked No. 9 in the country. Cornell only has women's fencing and NCAA fencing is a coed sport, so does that mean that Cornell's best hopes are to compete for individual national championships but it isn't in the picture in the team competition?
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Re: Fencing
Posted by: Robb (---.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net)
Date: January 25, 2022 09:36PM
No, even though the men and women typically travel together (when a U has both, grumble, grumble), they qualify separately as men's and women's teams, and then individuals can qualify as well.Weder
I know nothing about fencing but just noticed that the team is 19-0 and ranked No. 9 in the country. Cornell only has women's fencing and NCAA fencing is a coed sport, so does that mean that Cornell's best hopes are to compete for individual national championships but it isn't in the picture in the team competition?
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(I would have been the #1 epee fencer my senior year....had the team not ben cut the summer before).
Re: Fencing
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 25, 2022 09:59PM
Robb
No, even though the men and women typically travel together (when a U has both, grumble, grumble), they qualify separately as men's and women's teams, and then individuals can qualify as well.Weder
I know nothing about fencing but just noticed that the team is 19-0 and ranked No. 9 in the country. Cornell only has women's fencing and NCAA fencing is a coed sport, so does that mean that Cornell's best hopes are to compete for individual national championships but it isn't in the picture in the team competition?
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(I would have been the #1 epee fencer my senior year....had the team not ben cut the summer before).
That sucks!
Why did they cut it? I remember when the men's fencing coach was a celebrity on campus.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/25/2022 10:01PM by Swampy.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 25, 2022 10:04PM
Men's fencing and men's gymnastics got the axe after 1992-1993, I believe it was.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: January 25, 2022 11:21PM
They could cut men's football and free up resources to fund men's and women's sports in a more balanced way.Swampy
Robb
No, even though the men and women typically travel together (when a U has both, grumble, grumble), they qualify separately as men's and women's teams, and then individuals can qualify as well.Weder
I know nothing about fencing but just noticed that the team is 19-0 and ranked No. 9 in the country. Cornell only has women's fencing and NCAA fencing is a coed sport, so does that mean that Cornell's best hopes are to compete for individual national championships but it isn't in the picture in the team competition?
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(I would have been the #1 epee fencer my senior year....had the team not ben cut the summer before).
That sucks!
Why did they cut it? I remember when the men's fencing coach was a celebrity on campus.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: Robb (---.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net)
Date: January 26, 2022 06:32AM
Budget. Though IIRC, it got out that the decisions were made at an athletic dept off-site meeting that cost as much as supporting the fencing team for a year. Ick.Swampy
Robb
No, even though the men and women typically travel together (when a U has both, grumble, grumble), they qualify separately as men's and women's teams, and then individuals can qualify as well.Weder
I know nothing about fencing but just noticed that the team is 19-0 and ranked No. 9 in the country. Cornell only has women's fencing and NCAA fencing is a coed sport, so does that mean that Cornell's best hopes are to compete for individual national championships but it isn't in the picture in the team competition?
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(I would have been the #1 epee fencer my senior year....had the team not ben cut the summer before).
That sucks!
Why did they cut it? I remember when the men's fencing coach was a celebrity on campus.
They tried to cut men’s and women’s gymnastics and fencing, but the women got together and were putting together a Title IX suit and the university caved and reinstated the women’s teams. Which meant that they still had to maintain a fencing salle and have a full-time coach, so they probably only saved ~20% of what they had planned. Oh, and they added softball at the same time, so in the end, I’m skeptical that the dept budget was actually reduced at all.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2022 06:33AM by Robb.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 26, 2022 07:47AM
If you want equal participation between men and women in sports, football throws off the numbers by about 100. Men's fencing and gymnastics may have been sacrificed to get closer to equal, and adding softball offset baseball. Big schools say football brings in lots of money, so please exempt us, but the money argument probably doesn't work in the Ivies. I believe wrestling has been dropped at a lot of schools where it wasn't a priority and it helped parity.Robb
They tried to cut men’s and women’s gymnastics and fencing, but the women got together and were putting together a Title IX suit and the university caved and reinstated the women’s teams. Which meant that they still had to maintain a fencing salle and have a full-time coach, so they probably only saved ~20% of what they had planned. Oh, and they added softball at the same time, so in the end, I’m skeptical that the dept budget was actually reduced at all.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 26, 2022 08:56AM
billhoward
I believe wrestling has been dropped at a lot of schools where it wasn't a priority and it helped parity.
At the time that those schools dropped wrestling it was thought that it would help the schools that remained, like Cornell
Re: Fencing
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 26, 2022 10:22AM
IIRC, a lot of big football schools added women’s rowing in the late 1990s and early 2000s in part because it was a way to even out participation. Some of those schools have since added men’s rowing as well.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 26, 2022 01:59PM
To even out with football, you'd need eighty-eights with cox.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: Robb (107.72.164.---)
Date: January 27, 2022 11:10AM
lol. With a boat that big, maybe 5 or 6 coxes!billhoward
To even out with football, you'd need eighty-eights with cox.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 27, 2022 11:13AM
You would never have open water between boats. If you are trailing by a length, you are out of it.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 27, 2022 01:22PM
Yeesh, this thread is getting so long, maybe it should've been named Fencing 2021-22 and then another next fall. It could also be called Memory Lane.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: February 06, 2022 06:35PM
Cornell went 13-0 this weekend, including wins over No. 2 Notre Dame and several other ranked teams, and is 32-0 heading into the Ivy championships. Cornell is ranked No. 4, but Princeton is No. 1 and Columbia is No. 3.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2022 06:36PM by Weder.
Re: Fencing
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 06, 2022 09:59PM
Weder
Cornell went 13-0 this weekend, including wins over No. 2 Notre Dame and several other ranked teams, and is 32-0 heading into the Ivy championships. Cornell is ranked No. 4, but Princeton is No. 1 and Columbia is No. 3.
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This is hardly a fair comparison:
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That victory, and the two it would add later in the day, surpassed the 1970 unbeaten, untied NCAA championship men's ice hockey team that finished 29-0-0 for the most consecutive wins to begin a season by a Big Red varsity team.
If a team runs the table, it's still doing the best it can. If another sport has more contests, then to my mind it can only match an earlier unbeaten, untied team; it can't outdo the earlier team, simply because it's in a different sport with more contests.
This being said, kudos to the Fencing team -- Good luck at the Ivy's next weekend!
Re: Fencing
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: February 07, 2022 10:14AM
Yeah this is a very weird comparison and I’m not sure why they’re pushing it.
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