Is this legit??
Posted by underskill
Is this legit??
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 29, 2023 06:31PM
Currently on a @Cornell discussion forum, the kosher dining hall (104 west) is now on lockdown and Jewish students are scared to leave their rooms. @GovKathyHochul @HenMazzig pic.twitter.com/MsK4y34zf6
— Annie Vail (@AnnieSun16) October 29, 2023
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: October 29, 2023 06:49PM
underskill
Currently on a @Cornell discussion forum, the kosher dining hall (104 west) is now on lockdown and Jewish students are scared to leave their rooms. @GovKathyHochul @HenMazzig pic.twitter.com/MsK4y34zf6
— Annie Vail (@AnnieSun16) October 29, 2023
Sadly I think it may be real
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: October 29, 2023 07:06PM
Confirmation of threat to Cornell Jews
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/29/2023 07:10PM by scoop85.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: October 29, 2023 08:55PM
Cornell sun reports [cornellsun.com]
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 30, 2023 01:29AM
It has more than a whiff of Cornell Review Editors Cosplay Project Veritas.
Radicalized Islamofascist frat boys?
But, not knowing either way, let's hope whoever did it is identified, apprehended, and prosecuted hard.
Threats were posted to Cornell’s Greekrank forums on Saturday, Oct. 28 and Sunday, Oct. 29
Radicalized Islamofascist frat boys?
But, not knowing either way, let's hope whoever did it is identified, apprehended, and prosecuted hard.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2023 01:31AM by Trotsky.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: October 30, 2023 09:44AM
Truly disgusting. FBI and NYS Police investigating. President Pollack’s statement.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 30, 2023 09:53AM
This website, greekrank, is apparently a public forum that anyone can post on. Given the substance and form (bad grammar, dumb colloquialisms) of these posts, it seems most likely to me they were made by some idiot teenage troll somewhere. Very unlikely to be an actual Cornell student.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2023 09:53AM by BearLover.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 30, 2023 09:55AM
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: October 30, 2023 10:47AM
underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.
According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: French Rage (104.129.202.---)
Date: October 30, 2023 12:33PM
BearLover
This website, greekrank, is apparently a public forum that anyone can post on. Given the substance and form (bad grammar, dumb colloquialisms) of these posts, it seems most likely to me they were made by some idiot teenage troll somewhere. Very unlikely to be an actual Cornell student.
That's my thought and hope (as much as wanting any outcome here can be a "hope" too. It just seems like such an over-the-top way to do announce it if you were going to do it. Of course, the intent may have been just to scare people from the start, which is equally as bad, and needs to be punished just as hard.
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: October 30, 2023 01:51PM
George64
underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.
According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.
As long as Rickford remains on the faculty, Cornell isn’t seeing another dime of my money.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: October 30, 2023 02:31PM
scoop85
George64
underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.
According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.
As long as Rickford remains on the faculty, Cornell isn’t seeing another dime of my money.
A major donor at Columbia expressed a similar sentiment. The professor there called the Hamas atrocities “awesome,” Rickford called them “exhilarating.” Academic freedom has its limits. I can’t imagine his faculty colleagues tolerating his views.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 30, 2023 02:41PM
nope not today satan
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: October 30, 2023 04:12PM
No. It doesn't. You can be disgusted by his remarks; I am. You may demand he modify what appears to be support for the murder of innocents*, which should be grounds for dismissal as it is not covered by freedom of expression.George64
Academic freedom has its limits.
But academic freedom is sacred. A person could not be arrested for saying what Rickford did; therefore he should not face academic sanction for saying it.
Freedom matters most when you hate the sentiment. That's when it's valuable. The appropriate response to Rickford is: "You have the right to say that. You are wrong. Fuck you."
* Support for the IDF bombings would face the same test.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2023 04:13PM by Trotsky.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: October 30, 2023 04:18PM
Im not sure that you get those same protections though.. Its like you cant use cornell email or services to make political statements. You can represent yourself as a Cornell person in making those statements either.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: RichH (104.28.78.---)
Date: October 30, 2023 05:01PM
scoop85
George64
underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.
According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.
As long as Rickford remains on the faculty, Cornell isn’t seeing another dime of my money.
Penn is going through a crisis now where Wharton Big Guns are staging a donor revolt, mostly aimed at the president. There seems to be a lot of line crossing between the situation we’re discussing at CU and conservative “stop the wokeness” battle cries especially since a Palestinian literary event seen as the source of outrage occurred before this month’s attacks.
[www.nytimes.com] (paywall)
[www.businessinsider.com]
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: October 30, 2023 05:35PM
Trotsky
No. It doesn't. You can be disgusted by his remarks; I am. You may demand he modify what appears to be support for the murder of innocents*, which should be grounds for dismissal as it is not covered by freedom of expression.George64
Academic freedom has its limits.
But academic freedom is sacred. A person could not be arrested for saying what Rickford did; therefore he should not face academic sanction for saying it.
Freedom matters most when you hate the sentiment. That's when it's valuable. The appropriate response to Rickford is: "You have the right to say that. You are wrong. Fuck you."
* Support for the IDF bombings would face the same test.
First, I will admit that I didn’t hear Rickford’s entire “speech,” but like you, I was horrified that anyone would be “exhilarated” by the wanton killing of innocents. Likewise, I’d be horrified if someone were exhilarated by the deaths of innocent Palestinians by the IDF as retribution for the deplorable acts of Hamas.
Of all people, academics should rely on thoughtful argument and avoid hyperbole that incites passion, rather than reason. Perhaps I misappropriated the concept of “academic freedom,” so in that case, I say to Rickford, “You are wrong. Fuck you.”
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 31, 2023 08:42AM
I agree that academics should be thoughtful and nuanced. From watching the excerpts of Rickford's speech (I cannot find the whole thing) he seems to me to be deliberately going against the grain by stressing that this was an inversion of the expectation of violence -- the 24/7 violence against the Palestinian people in "the world's largest open air prison" which is maddeningly condoned if not encouraged by the West because it suits our purposes to have a beach head to protect our oil supply.
The West doesn't care about anybody in that conflict, Jew, Muslim, Christian, or Fryer (the Church of Bacon). Our policies are dictated by power projection -- the rest is sales. Rickford understands that and as an anti-imperialist (and as a human being) he is pointing out that the shoe being on the other foot for once might actually wake a few brains out of their dogmatic slumber. "This is awful when innocent people are massacohhhhhhhhh, now I get it!"
So in many ways the horror of Rickford's remarks makes his point. And that is a legitimate, and subtle, point worthy of an academic. But Rickford is also a historian, with an appreciation of how power operates, so he had to know full well the effect or his words and the blowback. Rickford essentially did the rhetorical equivalent of the Hamas attack, and the response is now the rhetorical equivalent of the Gaza bombings.
The West doesn't care about anybody in that conflict, Jew, Muslim, Christian, or Fryer (the Church of Bacon). Our policies are dictated by power projection -- the rest is sales. Rickford understands that and as an anti-imperialist (and as a human being) he is pointing out that the shoe being on the other foot for once might actually wake a few brains out of their dogmatic slumber. "This is awful when innocent people are massacohhhhhhhhh, now I get it!"
So in many ways the horror of Rickford's remarks makes his point. And that is a legitimate, and subtle, point worthy of an academic. But Rickford is also a historian, with an appreciation of how power operates, so he had to know full well the effect or his words and the blowback. Rickford essentially did the rhetorical equivalent of the Hamas attack, and the response is now the rhetorical equivalent of the Gaza bombings.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 31, 2023 09:07AM
Or just don’t support jihadist terrorist groups as another option. And certainly don’t encourage our kids to. It doesn’t have to be complicated
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 10:23AM
And ignore the day to day terrorism of state forces because hey it's not sexy. Yes, that certainly is another option.underskill
Or just don’t support jihadist terrorist groups as another option. And certainly don’t encourage our kids to. It doesn’t have to be complicated
The problem with being consistent ethically is it gets really uncomfortable, for everybody, really fast. That's why we make a distinction between "terrorism" and murdering children in "tactical responses." See how nice the latter seems? That baby didn't die screaming, she was just a euphemism.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 31, 2023 10:43AM
Civilians die in war. It sucks but that doesn’t create moral equivalency with barbarians.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: October 31, 2023 11:32AM
Forget it Jake, It's Chinatown. Some are just incapable of seeing the difference between premeditated murder, rape and infanticide and unintentional, though predictable collateral damage, in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 12:05PM
Oh FFS.TimV
in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.
There is a difference for the individual running the Belgian baby through with his Pickelhaube vs the pilot pushing the button to release ordinance on the Vietnamese village. One is intimate and the other is industrial. I, like you, feel the former is far worse as an individual action.
But the planners who design the attack plans are ethically identical. They are, in the cool shade of their boardrooms or war rooms, setting in motion actions that result in mangled corpses. They are the same, all things being equal.
We excuse them to the degree they are acting in self defense, but in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict both sides are equally acting in self defense, so the planners are identical in guilt.
"Grunt, me good, you bad," plays well with the mob, so by all means continue. I don't think it will play quite as well here.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/31/2023 12:05PM by Trotsky.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 12:09PM
Can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs is not top shelf morality.underskill
Civilians die in war. It sucks but that doesn’t create moral equivalency with barbarians.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: October 31, 2023 12:41PM
Trotsky
Oh FFS.TimV
in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.
There is a difference for the individual running the Belgian baby through with his Pickelhaube vs the pilot pushing the button to release ordinance on the Vietnamese village. One is intimate and the other is industrial. I, like you, feel the former is far worse as an individual action.
But the planners who design the attack plans are ethically identical. They are, in the cool shade of their boardrooms or war rooms, setting in motion actions that result in mangled corpses. They are the same, all things being equal.
We excuse them to the degree they are acting in self defense, but in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict both sides are equally acting in self defense, so the planners are identical in guilt.
Please elaborate on rape, infanticide, and intentional murder of innocents (vs Unintentional collateral) fits into your idea of self defense.
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 12:46PM
There's a guy in that village who raped my sister.TimV
Please elaborate on rape, infanticide, and intentional murder of innocents (vs Unintentional collateral) fits into your idea of self defense.
So I nuked it.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 31, 2023 01:19PM
If the village supports it then you should absolutely nuke it.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 01:41PM
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: French Rage (165.225.243.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 01:57PM
upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.
[www.cnn.com]
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: October 31, 2023 02:40PM
RichH
scoop85
George64
underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.
According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.
As long as Rickford remains on the faculty, Cornell isn’t seeing another dime of my money.
Penn is going through a crisis now where Wharton Big Guns are staging a donor revolt, mostly aimed at the president. There seems to be a lot of line crossing between the situation we’re discussing at CU and conservative “stop the wokeness” battle cries especially since a Palestinian literary event seen as the source of outrage occurred before this month’s attacks.
[www.nytimes.com] (paywall)
[www.businessinsider.com]
Strangely, the defenders of free speech on campus seem to be silent in this case: [www.thefire.org]
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 03:43PM
The numbers I have seen for Gazan support for Hamas are in the 30s. More than 50% of the population was not born the last time they won an election.underskill
If the village supports it then you should absolutely nuke it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/31/2023 03:44PM by Trotsky.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 31, 2023 04:28PM
if you still think in 2023 that the damage in palestine the idf causes is collateral i don't know what to tell youTimV
Trotsky
Oh FFS.TimV
in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.
There is a difference for the individual running the Belgian baby through with his Pickelhaube vs the pilot pushing the button to release ordinance on the Vietnamese village. One is intimate and the other is industrial. I, like you, feel the former is far worse as an individual action.
But the planners who design the attack plans are ethically identical. They are, in the cool shade of their boardrooms or war rooms, setting in motion actions that result in mangled corpses. They are the same, all things being equal.
We excuse them to the degree they are acting in self defense, but in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict both sides are equally acting in self defense, so the planners are identical in guilt.
Please elaborate on rape, infanticide, and intentional murder of innocents (vs Unintentional collateral) fits into your idea of self defense.
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: October 31, 2023 08:02PM
ugarte
if you still think in 2023 that the damage in palestine the idf causes is collateral i don't know what to tell youTimV
Trotsky
Oh FFS.TimV
in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.
There is a difference for the individual running the Belgian baby through with his Pickelhaube vs the pilot pushing the button to release ordinance on the Vietnamese village. One is intimate and the other is industrial. I, like you, feel the former is far worse as an individual action.
But the planners who design the attack plans are ethically identical. They are, in the cool shade of their boardrooms or war rooms, setting in motion actions that result in mangled corpses. They are the same, all things being equal.
We excuse them to the degree they are acting in self defense, but in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict both sides are equally acting in self defense, so the planners are identical in guilt.
Please elaborate on rape, infanticide, and intentional murder of innocents (vs Unintentional collateral) fits into your idea of self defense.
If you don't understand the point I was trying to make I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Chris '03 (104.28.55.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 08:42PM
French Rage
upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.
[www.cnn.com]
Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: French Rage (165.225.243.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 09:10PM
Chris '03
French Rage
upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.
[www.cnn.com]
Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]
Hopefully he (or maybe she? no, definitely a he) won't be for much longer.
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Chris '03 (104.28.55.---)
Date: October 31, 2023 09:44PM
French Rage
Chris '03
French Rage
upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.
[www.cnn.com]
Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]
Hopefully he (or maybe she? no, definitely a he) won't be for much longer.
He. [www.justice.gov]
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 31, 2023 10:29PM
Breaking - Patrick Dai, a Cornell student, has been arrested for making online threats to Jewish students on campus. pic.twitter.com/QbiJc0rkr7
— StopAntisemitism (@StopAntisemites) November 1, 2023
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 01, 2023 09:39AM
Nehaambore doing more for the forum than this thread
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Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: RichH (104.28.76.---)
Date: November 01, 2023 10:08AM
ugarte
Nehaambore doing more for the forum than this thread
Don’t knock it. I’m so ready to invest in the global paper bags market now
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: November 01, 2023 10:20AM
What's our secret?RichH
ugarte
Nehaambore doing more for the forum than this thread
Don’t knock it. I’m so ready to invest in the global paper bags market now
Volume.
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 03, 2023 08:48AM
Has anyone seen any reference to whether he also was responsible for the anti-semitic graffiti as well?Chris '03
French Rage
Chris '03
French Rage
upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.
[www.cnn.com]
Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]
Hopefully he (or maybe she? no, definitely a he) won't be for much longer.
He. [www.justice.gov]
Re: Is this legit??
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 03, 2023 02:08PM
less likely to leave a trail of cookiesnshapiro
Has anyone seen any reference to whether he also was responsible for the anti-semitic graffiti as well?Chris '03
French Rage
Chris '03
French Rage
upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.
[www.cnn.com]
Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]
Hopefully he (or maybe she? no, definitely a he) won't be for much longer.
He. [www.justice.gov]
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