Is this legit??

Currently on a @Cornell discussion forum, the kosher dining hall (104 west) is now on lockdown and Jewish students are scared to leave their rooms. @GovKathyHochul @HenMazzig pic.twitter.com/MsK4y34zf6

— Annie Vail (@AnnieSun16) October 29, 2023

underskill

Currently on a @Cornell discussion forum, the kosher dining hall (104 west) is now on lockdown and Jewish students are scared to leave their rooms. @GovKathyHochul @HenMazzig pic.twitter.com/MsK4y34zf6

— Annie Vail (@AnnieSun16) October 29, 2023

Sadly I think it may be real

Confirmation of threat to Cornell Jews

Cornell sun reports [cornellsun.com]

It has more than a whiff of Cornell Review Editors Cosplay Project Veritas.

Threats were posted to Cornell’s Greekrank forums on Saturday, Oct. 28 and Sunday, Oct. 29

Radicalized Islamofascist frat boys?

But, not knowing either way, let's hope whoever did it is identified, apprehended, and prosecuted hard.

Truly disgusting. FBI and NYS Police investigating. President Pollack’s statement.

This website, greekrank, is apparently a public forum that anyone can post on. Given the substance and form (bad grammar, dumb colloquialisms) of these posts, it seems most likely to me they were made by some idiot teenage troll somewhere. Very unlikely to be an actual Cornell student.

Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.

underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.

According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.

Personally I'm more about this than a Tankie or a Righty agent provacateur, but like I said, find who did it and run him* through the courts.

* _{It's always a him.}

BearLover
This website, greekrank, is apparently a public forum that anyone can post on. Given the substance and form (bad grammar, dumb colloquialisms) of these posts, it seems most likely to me they were made by some idiot teenage troll somewhere. Very unlikely to be an actual Cornell student.

That's my thought and hope (as much as wanting any outcome here can be a "hope" too. It just seems like such an over-the-top way to do announce it if you were going to do it. Of course, the intent may have been just to scare people from the start, which is equally as bad, and needs to be punished just as hard.

George64

underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.

According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.

As long as Rickford remains on the faculty, Cornell isn’t seeing another dime of my money.

scoop85

George64

underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.

According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.

As long as Rickford remains on the faculty, Cornell isn’t seeing another dime of my money.

A major donor at Columbia expressed a similar sentiment. The professor there called the Hamas atrocities “awesome,” Rickford called them “exhilarating.” Academic freedom has its limits. I can’t imagine his faculty colleagues tolerating his views.

nope not today satan

George64
Academic freedom has its limits.

No. It doesn't. You can be disgusted by his remarks; I am. You may demand he modify what appears to be support for the murder of innocents*, which should be grounds for dismissal as it is not covered by freedom of expression.

But academic freedom is sacred. A person could not be arrested for saying what Rickford did; therefore he should not face academic sanction for saying it.

Freedom matters most when you hate the sentiment. That's when it's valuable. The appropriate response to Rickford is: "You have the right to say that. You are wrong. Fuck you."

* _{Support for the IDF bombings would face the same test.}

Im not sure that you get those same protections though.. Its like you cant use cornell email or services to make political statements. You can represent yourself as a Cornell person in making those statements either.

scoop85

George64

underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.

According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.

As long as Rickford remains on the faculty, Cornell isn’t seeing another dime of my money.

Penn is going through a crisis now where Wharton Big Guns are staging a donor revolt, mostly aimed at the president. There seems to be a lot of line crossing between the situation we’re discussing at CU and conservative “stop the wokeness” battle cries especially since a Palestinian literary event seen as the source of outrage occurred before this month’s attacks.

[www.nytimes.com] (paywall)

[www.businessinsider.com]

Trotsky

George64
Academic freedom has its limits.

No. It doesn't. You can be disgusted by his remarks; I am. You may demand he modify what appears to be support for the murder of innocents*, which should be grounds for dismissal as it is not covered by freedom of expression.

But academic freedom is sacred. A person could not be arrested for saying what Rickford did; therefore he should not face academic sanction for saying it.

Freedom matters most when you hate the sentiment. That's when it's valuable. The appropriate response to Rickford is: "You have the right to say that. You are wrong. Fuck you."

* _{Support for the IDF bombings would face the same test.}

First, I will admit that I didn’t hear Rickford’s entire “speech,” but like you, I was horrified that anyone would be “exhilarated” by the wanton killing of innocents. Likewise, I’d be horrified if someone were exhilarated by the deaths of innocent Palestinians by the IDF as retribution for the deplorable acts of Hamas.

Of all people, academics should rely on thoughtful argument and avoid hyperbole that incites passion, rather than reason. Perhaps I misappropriated the concept of “academic freedom,” so in that case, I say to Rickford, “You are wrong. Fuck you.”

I agree that academics should be thoughtful and nuanced. From watching the excerpts of Rickford's speech (I cannot find the whole thing) he seems to me to be deliberately going against the grain by stressing that this was an inversion of the expectation of violence -- the 24/7 violence against the Palestinian people in "the world's largest open air prison" which is maddeningly condoned if not encouraged by the West because it suits our purposes to have a beach head to protect our oil supply.

The West doesn't care about anybody in that conflict, Jew, Muslim, Christian, or Fryer (the Church of Bacon). Our policies are dictated by power projection -- the rest is sales. Rickford understands that and as an anti-imperialist (and as a human being) he is pointing out that the shoe being on the other foot for once might actually wake a few brains out of their dogmatic slumber. "This is awful when innocent people are massacohhhhhhhhh, now I get it!"

So in many ways the horror of Rickford's remarks makes his point. And that is a legitimate, and subtle, point worthy of an academic. But Rickford is also a historian, with an appreciation of how power operates, so he had to know full well the effect or his words and the blowback. Rickford essentially did the rhetorical equivalent of the Hamas attack, and the response is now the rhetorical equivalent of the Gaza bombings.

Or just don’t support jihadist terrorist groups as another option. And certainly don’t encourage our kids to. It doesn’t have to be complicated

underskill
Or just don’t support jihadist terrorist groups as another option. And certainly don’t encourage our kids to. It doesn’t have to be complicated

And ignore the day to day terrorism of state forces because hey it's not sexy. Yes, that certainly is another option.

The problem with being consistent ethically is it gets really uncomfortable, for everybody, really fast. That's why we make a distinction between "terrorism" and murdering children in "tactical responses." See how nice the latter seems? That baby didn't die screaming, she was just a euphemism.

Civilians die in war. It sucks but that doesn’t create moral equivalency with barbarians.

Forget it Jake, It's Chinatown. Some are just incapable of seeing the difference between premeditated murder, rape and infanticide and unintentional, though predictable collateral damage, in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.

TimV
in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.

Oh FFS.

There is a difference for the individual running the Belgian baby through with his Pickelhaube vs the pilot pushing the button to release ordinance on the Vietnamese village. One is intimate and the other is industrial. I, like you, feel the former is far worse as an individual action.

But the planners who design the attack plans are ethically identical. They are, in the cool shade of their boardrooms or war rooms, setting in motion actions that result in mangled corpses. They are the same, all things being equal.

We excuse them to the degree they are acting in self defense, but in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict both sides are equally acting in self defense, so the planners are identical in guilt.

"Grunt, me good, you bad," plays well with the mob, so by all means continue. I don't think it will play quite as well here.

underskill
Civilians die in war. It sucks but that doesn’t create moral equivalency with barbarians.

Can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs is not top shelf morality.

Trotsky

TimV
in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.

Oh FFS.

There is a difference for the individual running the Belgian baby through with his Pickelhaube vs the pilot pushing the button to release ordinance on the Vietnamese village. One is intimate and the other is industrial. I, like you, feel the former is far worse as an individual action.

But the planners who design the attack plans are ethically identical. They are, in the cool shade of their boardrooms or war rooms, setting in motion actions that result in mangled corpses. They are the same, all things being equal.

We excuse them to the degree they are acting in self defense, but in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict both sides are equally acting in self defense, so the planners are identical in guilt.

Please elaborate on rape, infanticide, and intentional murder of innocents (vs Unintentional collateral) fits into your idea of self defense.

TimV
Please elaborate on rape, infanticide, and intentional murder of innocents (vs Unintentional collateral) fits into your idea of self defense.

There's a guy in that village who raped my sister.

So I nuked it.

If the village supports it then you should absolutely nuke it.

I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.

upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.

[www.cnn.com]

RichH

scoop85

George64

underskill
Based on some of the graffiti on campus this week, the behavior of some professors and the admin in general, I sadly don’t think Cornell students can be dismissed as culprits. Which makes me ashamed as an alum.

According to a NYT article, the offending professor requested a leave of absence. I hope it’s a long one. Universities should be a place for informed debate, not mindless diatribes.

As long as Rickford remains on the faculty, Cornell isn’t seeing another dime of my money.

Penn is going through a crisis now where Wharton Big Guns are staging a donor revolt, mostly aimed at the president. There seems to be a lot of line crossing between the situation we’re discussing at CU and conservative “stop the wokeness” battle cries especially since a Palestinian literary event seen as the source of outrage occurred before this month’s attacks.

[www.nytimes.com] (paywall)

[www.businessinsider.com]

Strangely, the defenders of free speech on campus seem to be silent in this case: [www.thefire.org]

underskill
If the village supports it then you should absolutely nuke it.

The numbers I have seen for Gazan support for Hamas are in the 30s. More than 50% of the population was not born the last time they won an election.

TimV

Trotsky

TimV
in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.

Oh FFS.

There is a difference for the individual running the Belgian baby through with his Pickelhaube vs the pilot pushing the button to release ordinance on the Vietnamese village. One is intimate and the other is industrial. I, like you, feel the former is far worse as an individual action.

But the planners who design the attack plans are ethically identical. They are, in the cool shade of their boardrooms or war rooms, setting in motion actions that result in mangled corpses. They are the same, all things being equal.

We excuse them to the degree they are acting in self defense, but in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict both sides are equally acting in self defense, so the planners are identical in guilt.

Please elaborate on rape, infanticide, and intentional murder of innocents (vs Unintentional collateral) fits into your idea of self defense.

if you still think in 2023 that the damage in palestine the idf causes is collateral i don't know what to tell you

ugarte

TimV

Trotsky

TimV
in part due to tactics of the aggrieved.

Oh FFS.

There is a difference for the individual running the Belgian baby through with his Pickelhaube vs the pilot pushing the button to release ordinance on the Vietnamese village. One is intimate and the other is industrial. I, like you, feel the former is far worse as an individual action.

But the planners who design the attack plans are ethically identical. They are, in the cool shade of their boardrooms or war rooms, setting in motion actions that result in mangled corpses. They are the same, all things being equal.

We excuse them to the degree they are acting in self defense, but in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict both sides are equally acting in self defense, so the planners are identical in guilt.

Please elaborate on rape, infanticide, and intentional murder of innocents (vs Unintentional collateral) fits into your idea of self defense.

if you still think in 2023 that the damage in palestine the idf causes is collateral i don't know what to tell you

If you don't understand the point I was trying to make I don't know what to tell you.

French Rage

upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.

[www.cnn.com]

Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]

Chris '03

French Rage

upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.

[www.cnn.com]

Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]

Hopefully he (or maybe she? no, definitely a he) won't be for much longer.

French Rage

Chris '03

French Rage

upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.

[www.cnn.com]

Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]

Hopefully he (or maybe she? no, definitely a he) won't be for much longer.

He. [www.justice.gov]

Breaking - Patrick Dai, a Cornell student, has been arrested for making online threats to Jewish students on campus. pic.twitter.com/QbiJc0rkr7

— StopAntisemitism (@StopAntisemites) November 1, 2023

Nehaambore doing more for the forum than this thread

ugarte
Nehaambore doing more for the forum than this thread

Don’t knock it. I’m so ready to invest in the global paper bags market now

RichH

ugarte
Nehaambore doing more for the forum than this thread

Don’t knock it. I’m so ready to invest in the global paper bags market now

What's our secret?

Volume.

Chris '03

French Rage

Chris '03

French Rage

upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.

[www.cnn.com]

Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]

Hopefully he (or maybe she? no, definitely a he) won't be for much longer.

He. [www.justice.gov]

Has anyone seen any reference to whether he also was responsible for the anti-semitic graffiti as well?

nshapiro

Chris '03

French Rage

Chris '03

French Rage

upprdeck
I see they announced an arrest for the Cornell anti-jewish statements thing.

[www.cnn.com]

Was a student apparently.
[www.instagram.com]

Hopefully he (or maybe she? no, definitely a he) won't be for much longer.

He. [www.justice.gov]

Has anyone seen any reference to whether he also was responsible for the anti-semitic graffiti as well?

less likely to leave a trail of cookies