Save the Palms!
Posted by CAS
Save the Palms!
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 13, 2012 05:25PM
The Royal Palm Tavern is slated to close the end of February. This tragedy must be averted. We can't stand idly by and let this happen.
Any suggestions [buyers] out there?
Any suggestions [buyers] out there?
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: January 13, 2012 05:30PM
Why is it closing? Are the owners tired of running the business? Landlord raising the rent?
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: ugarte (66.9.23.---)
Date: January 13, 2012 05:36PM
It is losing money. Sad to see it go, since I spent a lot of time there. [cornellsun.com]
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 13, 2012 05:43PM
Was my second home senior year, many years ago. Was thinking of retiring there. There must be a way to keep it open!
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: January 13, 2012 05:50PM
ugarte
It is losing money. Sad to see it go, since I spent a lot of time there. [cornellsun.com]
The comments to the Sun article imply that the owners of the bar also own the building and are selling it to developers who will put up more apartments.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 13, 2012 06:18PM
Yikes! So sad. Occupy the Palms?!
So many memories of drinking PBRs there. We can't let the special places go...
So many memories of drinking PBRs there. We can't let the special places go...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/13/2012 06:21PM by CAS.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: ftyuv (---.bstnma.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 13, 2012 07:12PM
Everyone's going nuts about this. Am I the only person who thought it was one of the tooliest bars in Collegetown?
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Robb (---.ks.ks.cox.net)
Date: January 13, 2012 08:42PM
Guess so. It was definitely the "senior" bar in '94 - a good place to just chill with a few friends without any annoying freshmen out to prove how cool they were. We always wondered how they stayed in business with $1.25 Schaefers...ftyuv
Everyone's going nuts about this. Am I the only person who thought it was one of the tooliest bars in Collegetown?
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 13, 2012 08:51PM
Robb
We always wondered how they stayed in business with $1.25 Schaefers...
Volume.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: January 13, 2012 09:26PM
Robb
Guess so. It was definitely the "senior" bar in '94 - a good place to just chill with a few friends without any annoying freshmen out to prove how cool they were. We always wondered how they stayed in business with $1.25 Schaefers...ftyuv
Everyone's going nuts about this. Am I the only person who thought it was one of the tooliest bars in Collegetown?
In 1994 I would say the "tooliest bar" was Dino's. Guess it depends on how you define tool.
As for the owner's assertion in the Daily Sun that most of their business came at the end of the night, that's how I recall it in the early 90s.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 13, 2012 09:33PM
I'm not sure when you went. It wasn't when I went. In the early 90's they checked IDs for real, so the crowd was all seniors, grad students and some young townies. I spent most of my time with the subset that played darts so I guess I can't speak to the larger ethos of the place.ftyuv
Everyone's going nuts about this. Am I the only person who thought it was one of the tooliest bars in Collegetown?
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: ftyuv (---.bstnma.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 13, 2012 09:45PM
ugarte
I'm not sure when you went. It wasn't when I went. In the early 90's they checked IDs for real, so the crowd was all seniors, grad students and some young townies. I spent most of my time with the subset that played darts so I guess I can't speak to the larger ethos of the place.ftyuv
Everyone's going nuts about this. Am I the only person who thought it was one of the tooliest bars in Collegetown?
I graduated in '06, and the Palms was plenty popular back then. To be fair, I only went once or twice, but I remember a lot of popped collars and people standing on the benches for no reason and looking at each other. Looked like a bunch of popped-collar fratboy prairie dogs.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 14, 2012 05:55AM
Wonderful place back in the early 80's, with a bowling machine and deep, spacious booths. It was a place for groups of 4-6 to get seriously drunk on those cold Ithaca nights.
It must be saved.
It must be saved.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: RichH (70.42.157.---)
Date: January 14, 2012 10:55AM
Ha. Finally read the Sun article. The owner was my landlord my senior year on Dryden Rd., and is a pretty big creep. He can give as many sappy stories as he wants, I think he saw the chance for a big payday from developers and is taking the money & retiring. So I'm not surprised, knowing his money-grubbing nature. I'm sure he realizes he's selling out generations, given the "kids these days are txting instead of drinking" excuses.
Soon the center of Collegetown won't get any natural daylight with all the sterile high-rises.
Soon the center of Collegetown won't get any natural daylight with all the sterile high-rises.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: January 15, 2012 12:41PM
During my time, The Palms was a shithole with stale beer. While I don't like the look of C-Town right now, I won't miss the Palms.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 15, 2012 04:27PM
You say tomahto, we stay tradition. The longer you've been out of school, the more you hang on to what memories remain in professors still teaching, bars still in business. Gnomon Copy continues as a viable business going back to the 1970s? 1960s? but it's not as warm and fuzzy as, uh, The Palms.Jeff Hopkins '82
During my time, The Palms was a shithole with stale beer. While I don't like the look of C-Town right now, I won't miss the Palms.
What's money grubbing about maximizing the return on your real estate investment? I know you can get a lower tax rate in some states by declaring farmland forever agricultural. Maybe in Ithaca, Berkeley or Cambridge you could get an abatement for a rundown bar if you agreed not to turn it into doorman-staffed apartments or Forever 21.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 16, 2012 09:57AM
In the late '70's, the Palms was a rare place in Collegetown which attracted both students and some townies. Had quite a streak going there in my senior year. Looks pretty much the same today as it did over 30 years ago. It needs to be saved. Maybe Elynah can start a fundraising campaign...
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: January 16, 2012 12:42PM
I have no doubt that this little online community could raise a few bucks for a good cause. But enough to match what a developer is going to pay for prime real estate in Collegetown? I think you've had a few too many Schaefers...CAS
In the late '70's, the Palms was a rare place in Collegetown which attracted both students and some townies. Had quite a streak going there in my senior year. Looks pretty much the same today as it did over 30 years ago. It needs to be saved. Maybe Elynah can start a fundraising campaign...
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: ftyuv (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: January 16, 2012 01:51PM
KeithK
I have no doubt that this little online community could raise a few bucks for a good cause. But enough to match what a developer is going to pay for prime real estate in Collegetown? I think you've had a few too many Schaefers...CAS
In the late '70's, the Palms was a rare place in Collegetown which attracted both students and some townies. Had quite a streak going there in my senior year. Looks pretty much the same today as it did over 30 years ago. It needs to be saved. Maybe Elynah can start a fundraising campaign...
Ithaca Bucks are the
one Bucks to have when you're
saving Royal Palms.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Lauren '06 (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
Date: January 16, 2012 02:38PM
Fixed.ftyuv
KeithK
I have no doubt that this little online community could raise a few bucks for a good cause. But enough to match what a developer is going to pay for prime real estate in Collegetown? I think you've had a few too many Schaefers...CAS
In the late '70's, the Palms was a rare place in Collegetown which attracted both students and some townies. Had quite a streak going there in my senior year. Looks pretty much the same today as it did over 30 years ago. It needs to be saved. Maybe Elynah can start a fundraising campaign...
Ithaca Hours are the
one Bucks to have when you're
saving Royal Palms.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 16, 2012 03:51PM
Change isn't necessarily bad. For every Olin Library and Milstein Cave, there's a "new" CTB, or Ale House, or new west dorms replacing the U-Halls, or "new" Wegman's, etc. The key is to always replace something with a strict upgrade, so things don't get worse over time.KeithK
I have no doubt that this little online community could raise a few bucks for a good cause. But enough to match what a developer is going to pay for prime real estate in Collegetown? I think you've had a few too many Schaefers...CAS
In the late '70's, the Palms was a rare place in Collegetown which attracted both students and some townies. Had quite a streak going there in my senior year. Looks pretty much the same today as it did over 30 years ago. It needs to be saved. Maybe Elynah can start a fundraising campaign...
In general, I'm amused when people romanticize their own experiences, as if most of the people lauding the Palms now would even be caught dead going to such a dump for the first time now that they are no longer poor college students. I don't think we need to worry overly much about students lacking sufficient opportunities to drink themselves silly: without Dino's, Johnny O's, and the Palms, more people will just crowd into Chapterhouse, Pixel, Ruloff's, the Nines, and Dunbar's, and you can't count out the notion that some spiffy joint will open in a new ground-level storefront. No, it won't be the Palms; but it will serve the same purpose for today's students as the Palms did for you all.
Sacrificing all potential for change on the altar of tradition or history without regard to the merits of the change is dumb. I personally would be fine with something replacing Lynah as long as it was just as raucous. Maybe that's impossible in a new facility, which would be a good reason to keep it around; but I am failing to see the irreplaceable uniqueness of the Palms that justifies any futile effort to save it.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: January 16, 2012 06:26PM
Kyle Rose
without Dino's, Johnny O's, and the Palms, more people will just crowd into Chapterhouse, Pixel, Ruloff's, the Nines, and Dunbar's,
I have to say, that's my biggest worry, that the Palms' clientele will move to the Chapter House and mess it up.
(Actually, I have occasionally noticed that happening already...)
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 16, 2012 08:19PM
It's hard enough to get a seat there past 10pm as it is. But if things get too busy, I suspect another bar will just open up. There's too much money to be made making students stand next to a velvet rope in the freezing cold.jtwcornell91
Kyle Rose
without Dino's, Johnny O's, and the Palms, more people will just crowd into Chapterhouse, Pixel, Ruloff's, the Nines, and Dunbar's,
I have to say, that's my biggest worry, that the Palms' clientele will move to the Chapter House and mess it up.
(Actually, I have occasionally noticed that happening already...)
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 16, 2012 08:30PM
(1) You need a little more nostalgia in your life. If you don't romanticize where you used to get stupid, why bother being young at all?Kyle Rose
In general, I'm amused when people romanticize their own experiences, as if most of the people lauding the Palms now would even be caught dead going to such a dump for the first time now that they are no longer poor college students.
(2) The only reason I wouldn't drink at the Palms now is because everyone else would be 21 and I'd accurately look like a sad old man. That the place is a dump would have nothing to do with it. Dumps are where the best drinking takes place. Even back in the 90's, when I was in grad school I liked going to the Royal Palm and drinking with the regulars in the early evenings before the students came in and the regulars left.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 16, 2012 08:59PM
I certainly didn't get out enough in college. But seriously, it's when romanticization turns into action to preserve the physical manifestation of the memory that people have gone over the line into missing the point. IMO. YMMV.ugarte
(1) You need a little more nostalgia in your life. If you don't romanticize where you used to get stupid, why bother being young at all?
I like drinking at places that have good beer. Usually, these places aren't dumps. But I guess I'm just a snob at heart: I certainly spent my share of time in Dino's when I was a senior, but we insisted on getting the best beer on the menu, $6 pitchers of Saranac Black Forest.
(2) The only reason I wouldn't drink at the Palms now is because everyone else would be 21 and I'd accurately look like a sad old man. That the place is a dump would have nothing to do with it. Dumps are where the best drinking takes place. Even back in the 90's, when I was in grad school I liked going to the Royal Palm and drinking with the regulars in the early evenings before the students came in and the regulars left.
Those were the days. But I didn't shed one bloody tear when I heard it had closed. There are new experiences, new bars, new levels of dank, all conspiring to break people out of their comfort zones. Every man dies, but not every man truly lives, etc., etc.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: CAS (---.nycmny.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 16, 2012 11:01PM
Good beer can be had at many places. Magic at only a chosen few. Save the Palms...
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 16, 2012 11:54PM
CAS
Good beer can be had at many places. Magic at only a chosen few. Save the Palms...
You first.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: ajh258 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 17, 2012 12:50AM
jtwcornell91
Kyle Rose
without Dino's, Johnny O's, and the Palms, more people will just crowd into Chapterhouse, Pixel, Ruloff's, the Nines, and Dunbar's,
I have to say, that's my biggest worry, that the Palms' clientele will move to the Chapter House and mess it up.
(Actually, I have occasionally noticed that happening already...)
Level B is where those people will end up. For some reason, Chapter House is still too much of a walk for some of my friends.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.arthritishealthdoctors.com)
Date: January 17, 2012 07:38AM
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
then it's a good thing.
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: January 17, 2012 07:54AM
ugarte
(1) You need a little more nostalgia in your life. If you don't romanticize where you used to get stupid, why bother being young at all?Kyle Rose
In general, I'm amused when people romanticize their own experiences, as if most of the people lauding the Palms now would even be caught dead going to such a dump for the first time now that they are no longer poor college students.
For me that would be Dunbar's. I lived right around the corner from it on Dryden Rd. and was there several nights a week. The owners knew me and even cashed personal checks for me (in the days before ATMs). The bartenders all knew me and my friends, too, and knew what I wanted to drink on a given night.
Ahhh, memories
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2012 07:56AM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 17, 2012 12:23PM
For most people departing and headed home, it's uphill, which is work. But if you're stumbling down drunk, you haven't got as far to fall.ajh258
... Chapter House is still too much of a walk for some of my friends.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 17, 2012 12:30PM
Places that were mediocre in life take on epic proportions. I probably spent a dozen nights at the Palms; now I'll say it's hundreds. The Palms deserves credit for lasting so long. How many other places can you drink where Kurt Vonnegut could have drunk?
Joe's downtown was always okay never great in its first life. We lamented the passing of an Ithaca landmark, it came back, and again the food is okay not great. But to give credit, it's relatively affordable and that counts for a lot.
Joe's downtown was always okay never great in its first life. We lamented the passing of an Ithaca landmark, it came back, and again the food is okay not great. But to give credit, it's relatively affordable and that counts for a lot.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 18, 2012 10:07AM
Jim Hyla
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
Nothing wrong with hitting a happy hour, on occasion. Indeed, I remember the days when I fit that profile: have a couple of drinks after class, head home, make dinner, study, go to sleep. What's wrong with that?
Now, the kids don't make it out before 10PM, ever, for anything. What are they doing in the interim? Perhaps some are studying, but I figure that many are wasting their time on the internet, texting, whatever, instead of heading out early. More time spent socializing would be good for this generation.
"What a difference in this generation!"
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.arthritishealthdoctors.com)
Date: January 19, 2012 08:08AM
Scersk '97
Jim Hyla
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
Nothing wrong with hitting a happy hour, on occasion. Indeed, I remember the days when I fit that profile: have a couple of drinks after class, head home, make dinner, study, go to sleep. What's wrong with that?
Now, the kids don't make it out before 10PM, ever, for anything. What are they doing in the interim? Perhaps some are studying, but I figure that many are wasting their time on the internet, texting, whatever, instead of heading out early. More time spent socializing would be good for this generation.
"What a difference in this generation!"
I don't mean to imply that "hitting a happy hour on occasion" is wrong, the vast majority of us, sans Mitt Romney, have done it. It's the amount of drinking that concerned me then and now. I don't know if there is less now, but that was what I was reading into the original quote.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Luke 05 (---.austin.res.rr.com)
Date: January 19, 2012 05:30PM
I don't think there is less in terms of volume. It's more concentrated which aligns with the studies showing increasing binge drinking.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: RatushnyFan (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 20, 2012 09:55AM
The Palms always seemed odd to me during my tenure ('88-'92)........I lived right across the street but I didn't go there very often. It seemed pretty quiet until around last call. Almost as if people went there to connect with friends before moving on to further drinking at someone's home/apartment, food or sleep. The crowd from 8 pm - 11 pm didn't seem as robust as at other bars. Maybe I didn't invest enough time there.
Most of my friends lived near Dunbars so we would generally go and watch Pep give beer to the hockey team (no free beer for us despite thousands of dollars "invested" at Dunbars) while Lee worked the co-eds. If someone was ambitious we might go to Dinos for a while to witness a broader co-ed audience.
Nobody ever accused us of being geniuses, but we had a good time in general.
Most of my friends lived near Dunbars so we would generally go and watch Pep give beer to the hockey team (no free beer for us despite thousands of dollars "invested" at Dunbars) while Lee worked the co-eds. If someone was ambitious we might go to Dinos for a while to witness a broader co-ed audience.
Nobody ever accused us of being geniuses, but we had a good time in general.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 20, 2012 11:48AM
Shorten it by a word or two, change it to Latin, and you've got a motto worthy of Faber College.RatushnyFan
Nobody ever accused us of being geniuses, but we had a good time in general.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Robb (192.206.89.---)
Date: January 20, 2012 12:59PM
Precisely why it was my favorite, and why I said "a good place to chill with a few friends." It definitely got packed by last call, but that was my least-favorite time to be there.RatushnyFan
The crowd from 8 pm - 11 pm didn't seem as robust as at other bars.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: CowbellGuy (Moderator)
Date: January 23, 2012 03:29PM
Jim Hyla
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
Not really. Everyone just pre-games in their residence all night (whether to save money or because no one else is out), then shows up from 11:30p-1:00a and drinks as much as they can in a short span. Not safer and not better for anyone except perhaps the convenience and liquor stores. The drinking's just been displaced and probably exacerbated, not curtailed.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 23, 2012 03:52PM
Pre-gaming in residences not bars because of the 21-year drinking age as well?CowbellGuy
Jim Hyla
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
Not really. Everyone just pre-games in their residence all night (whether to save money or because no one else is out), then shows up from 11:30p-1:00a and drinks as much as they can in a short span. Not safer and not better for anyone except perhaps the convenience and liquor stores. The drinking's just been displaced and probably exacerbated, not curtailed.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Robb (192.206.89.---)
Date: January 23, 2012 04:13PM
And Xbox.billhoward
Pre-gaming in residences not bars because of the 21-year drinking age as well?CowbellGuy
Jim Hyla
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
Not really. Everyone just pre-games in their residence all night (whether to save money or because no one else is out), then shows up from 11:30p-1:00a and drinks as much as they can in a short span. Not safer and not better for anyone except perhaps the convenience and liquor stores. The drinking's just been displaced and probably exacerbated, not curtailed.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 23, 2012 04:21PM
Xbox over meeting Ms. Right at the Palms? What's the world coming to?Robb
And Xbox.billhoward
Pre-gaming in residences not bars because of the 21-year drinking age as well?CowbellGuy
Jim Hyla
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
Not really. Everyone just pre-games in their residence all night (whether to save money or because no one else is out), then shows up from 11:30p-1:00a and drinks as much as they can in a short span. Not safer and not better for anyone except perhaps the convenience and liquor stores. The drinking's just been displaced and probably exacerbated, not curtailed.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.static.cable.rcn.com)
Date: January 23, 2012 04:49PM
There was a lot of this going on, have no fear.billhoward
Xbox over meeting Ms. Right at the Palms? What's the world coming to?
I have to say, while the Palms is a complete dump on the inside, the real appeal is the crowd: on Saturday night, the bar went from basically empty to completely packed with people dancing on the seats in about 5 minutes. I have never seen anything like it. You can't see the dinginess through the wall-to-wall people, but that just points up even more strongly that the venue isn't the important part: it's getting a large number of young people in the same place, dancing on the seats. Surely this will just move elsewhere once the Palms closes?
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: ftyuv (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: January 23, 2012 05:39PM
billhoward
Xbox over meeting Ms. Right at the Palms? What's the world coming to?Robb
And Xbox.billhoward
Pre-gaming in residences not bars because of the 21-year drinking age as well?CowbellGuy
Jim Hyla
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
Not really. Everyone just pre-games in their residence all night (whether to save money or because no one else is out), then shows up from 11:30p-1:00a and drinks as much as they can in a short span. Not safer and not better for anyone except perhaps the convenience and liquor stores. The drinking's just been displaced and probably exacerbated, not curtailed.
Meeting Ms. Right via an online forum you moderate, apparently. Don't knock it!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2012 05:39PM by ftyuv.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 23, 2012 06:50PM
I have to figure a lot more of the Palms' customers were looking for Ms. Right Now than for Ms. Right, but I think most of us would agree that that's an equally laudable pursuit.billhoward
Xbox over meeting Ms. Right at the Palms? What's the world coming to?Robb
And Xbox.billhoward
Pre-gaming in residences not bars because of the 21-year drinking age as well?CowbellGuy
Jim Hyla
Well, I have to say, if this is the reason it's closing,
"Less than 10 years ago, kids would come out and start drinking after class … and we’d be busy all afternoon,” he said. “But drinking habits have changed.”,
then it's a good thing.
Not really. Everyone just pre-games in their residence all night (whether to save money or because no one else is out), then shows up from 11:30p-1:00a and drinks as much as they can in a short span. Not safer and not better for anyone except perhaps the convenience and liquor stores. The drinking's just been displaced and probably exacerbated, not curtailed.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 15, 2012 12:02AM
The Sun reports that the property was actually sold a year ago.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: February 17, 2012 09:52AM
The Sun reports the deal was several multiples of the properties' $800,000 assessed value, as if there's something amiss. This is the norm: a $500,000 house and lot are assessed at say $200,000. So long as this charade is equitable, everyone assessed at 40% of value, then it's okay. Still, it's amazing that the bar and 2 other Dryden Road properties in the deal sold for that much. Every generation of Cornellians thinks Collegetown is overpriced and then kicks themselves for not having bought in.David Harding
The Sun reports that the property was actually sold a year ago.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: February 17, 2012 10:00AM
So is there any one out there with a little extra cash [maybe $3.8MM] to top the existing deal, and save our beloved Palms? Would need to sell a lot of PBR to earn a reasonable return on the investment, but that's not the goal!
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: February 17, 2012 10:20AM
Let it go. The Palms will be a better place in our memories than it was most days in reality.CAS
So is there any one out there with a little extra cash [maybe $3.8MM] to top the existing deal, and save our beloved Palms? Would need to sell a lot of PBR to earn a reasonable return on the investment, but that's not the goal!
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Robb (192.206.89.---)
Date: February 17, 2012 10:34AM
Truth.billhoward
Let it go. The Palms will be a better place in our memories than it was most days in reality.CAS
So is there any one out there with a little extra cash [maybe $3.8MM] to top the existing deal, and save our beloved Palms? Would need to sell a lot of PBR to earn a reasonable return on the investment, but that's not the goal!
Zinck's probably sucked, too.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: February 29, 2012 11:54PM
Last night at the Palms. On the internet.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 01, 2012 08:38AM
Truly a sad day. Today's Sun has a nice story about the closing.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: March 01, 2012 10:35AM
CAS
Truly a sad day. Today's Sun has a nice story about the closing.
From the front page of the Sun, Michael Bloomberg is the convocation speaker this year.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 01, 2012 11:52PM
If it went well, maybe they can do it again during reunion. Furniture stores go out of business, it goes well, they do it again.CAS
Truly a sad day. Today's Sun has a nice story about the closing.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: RichH (---.northropgrumman.com)
Date: September 27, 2012 11:27AM
A The New York Times article this week has a story that continues a lot of the topics we've discussed in this thread. It focuses on Collegetown, as the author is a CU classmate of mine. Choice quote: "I can’t imagine what it was like before Facebook when you could just spend the morning after a big night out recovering. Now you have to spend, like, an hour untagging photos." Sometimes living in the future is a bitch.
Last Call For College Bars
Last Call For College Bars
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: September 27, 2012 01:52PM
RichH
A The New York Times article this week has a story that continues a lot of the topics we've discussed in this thread. It focuses on Collegetown, as the author is a CU classmate of mine. Choice quote: "I can’t imagine what it was like before Facebook when you could just spend the morning after a big night out recovering. Now you have to spend, like, an hour untagging photos." Sometimes living in the future is a bitch.
Last Call For College Bars
Note that the editors have added a comment to the effect that they didn't bother verifying the names and Cornell affiliation of six of the students supposedly quoted for the article, and it's now coming back to haunt them. I hope your classmate's not pulling a Stephen Glass.
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Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: RichH (---.northropgrumman.com)
Date: September 27, 2012 02:13PM
Beeeej
RichH
A The New York Times article this week has a story that continues a lot of the topics we've discussed in this thread. It focuses on Collegetown, as the author is a CU classmate of mine. Choice quote: "I can’t imagine what it was like before Facebook when you could just spend the morning after a big night out recovering. Now you have to spend, like, an hour untagging photos." Sometimes living in the future is a bitch.
Last Call For College Bars
Note that the editors have added a comment to the effect that they didn't bother verifying the names and Cornell affiliation of six of the students supposedly quoted for the article, and it's now coming back to haunt them. I hope your classmate's not pulling a Stephen Glass.
Ah. Seeing this now. So, drunk under-aged kids in bars approached by reporter give out fake names. Somebody call the New York Tim... Oh.
Re: Save the Palms!
Posted by: Chris '03 (38.104.240.---)
Date: September 27, 2012 02:33PM
RichH
Beeeej
RichH
A The New York Times article this week has a story that continues a lot of the topics we've discussed in this thread. It focuses on Collegetown, as the author is a CU classmate of mine. Choice quote: "I can’t imagine what it was like before Facebook when you could just spend the morning after a big night out recovering. Now you have to spend, like, an hour untagging photos." Sometimes living in the future is a bitch.
Last Call For College Bars
Note that the editors have added a comment to the effect that they didn't bother verifying the names and Cornell affiliation of six of the students supposedly quoted for the article, and it's now coming back to haunt them. I hope your classmate's not pulling a Stephen Glass.
Ah. Seeing this now. So, drunk under-aged kids in bars approached by reporter give out fake names. Somebody call the New York Tim... Oh.
"This guy is either gonna think 'Here's another kid with a fake ID' or 'Here's McLovin, a 25 year-old Hawaiian organ donor'. Okay? So what's it gonna be? "
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