Clarkson post-game thread.

who cares when the shutouts come
i'd rather have all of em in the playoffs, right through the ncaas

Just got back from the game. I thought Cornell played better tonight than they have since probably the second Colgate game. I also thought they played their best 60 minute game of the season. There were probably only two shifts the entire game in which Cornell didn't have a tight grasp on the game. I think that Cornell could have won 10-0 if they had kept their foot on the gas pedal after the first period, but they instead, sat back a little bit, effectively allowing Clarkson to keep some dignity on their senior night. Additionally, it is pretty obviously that Clarkson is a very likely opponent in two weeks so they can trounce them then. O'Byrne looked better than he has all season.

My impressions from the game: Clarkson has an extremely nice arena, however their team was despicable, and there were hundreds of empty seats on senior night, the last home game of the season, and against a top 3 team in the nation (our beloved Big Red). So do not be fooled by the strong traveling contingent of Clarkson, their fan base was disappointing to say the least.

Note: If you want a Big Mac at the McDonalds in Potsdam, you may be waiting a half an hour becuase of their inept employees. To me, this is a metaphor for the entire barren wasteland that is the North Country.

Stats about tonight's game that do not come across on the radio feed:

Average Number of Teeth/Fan: Cornell 30, Clarkson 12
Number of Cowbells employed: Cornell 2, Clarkson 1
Number of Tin-Man looking mascots that strip before the 3rd Period: Cornell 0, Clarkson 1
Majority of the Fans know Cornell's alma mater: Cornell- Yes, Clarkson- Yes
Majority of the Fans know Clarkson's alma mater: Cornell- No, Clarkson- No
Number of Seniors who scored on Senior Night: Cornell 2, Clarkson 0
Cleaver Cheers: Cornell 10+, Clarkson 0

and most importantly..... number of wins this weekend: Cornell 2, Clarkson 0

[Q]CM cWo 44 Wrote:Cleaver Cheers: Cornell 10+, Clarkson 0[/q]

I'm sure you mean clever, but maybe cornell had 10+ cheers about a large butcher's knife

i was just going to say the same thing. From the other stats presented, i would have thought that Clarkson would win the cleaver cheer department.

Man, what a weekend, and particularly what a game to finish out the regular season. I have to agree with Ari that this is the best the team has looked since the Colgate weekend. I think the "loss" that the team "needed" did indeed arrive last night with the OT win over SLU(t). It must have given them precisely the proper kick in the butt that they needed to energize themselves for postseason play. The first period was of course completely dominated by Cornell, and then they just sat on the lead for the next two periods. Normally I would be disappointed in this strategy, but it looked like they really were trying hard, and Safety Sieve Leggio got a few lucky bounces as well. In any case, it might have worked out for the best if Cornell didn't wholly crush Clarkson on their Senior Night, as it might have provoked fights and game DQs that neither team would really want going into the postseason. There were a few bullshit calls made against Cornell, and at times Clarkson turned (reverted?) into a real goon squad. But in the end, Cornell kept it together for the win and to preserve McKee's shutout. I can't wait to see who we play in two weeks.

Clarkson always causes concern as they really don't appear to be very well disciplined. I thought Cornell played with a great deal of discipline and composure tonight.

[Q]aznxjz Wrote:
ah...I am humbled Anyone know the RS shutout record by an NCAA team? Was it 11?
[/q]In Ryan Miller's Hobey year, 2000-01, 10 of his 11 shutouts came in the regular season. I have to imagine that's the record, if such records are kept, since the 11 definitely is.

(I didn't realize this before looking it up, but 6 of Miller's shutouts that year came within a 7-game span stretching from New Year's to January 23rd, with just 1 goal allowed over the course of those 7 games. The one playoff shutout came at a good time, against Michigan in the CCHA championship game.)

[Q]jmh30 Wrote:

In Ryan Miller's Hobey year, 2000-01, 10 of his 11 shutouts came in the regular season. I have to imagine that's the record, if such records are kept, since the 11 definitely is.

(I didn't realize this before looking it up, but 6 of Miller's shutouts that year came within a 7-game span stretching from New Year's to January 23rd, with just 1 goal allowed over the course of those 7 games. The one playoff shutout came at a good time, against Michigan in the CCHA championship game.)[/q]

Miller's backup, Joe Blackburn got one of those shutouts, 1/5/01 vs. Yale. Miller had "only" 10 total shutouts that year. McKee is two short of the single-season record.

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Excellent thoughts and perhaps even the team sensed or Schafter talked along the same lines: A 3-0 lead is pretty much locked in as a win (you'd think not say those words aloud) and maybe better to not figuratively knock pride since they a) might start fights leading to DQs for Cornell the next game and b) we might play them down the road in Ithaca so don't give them motive for revenge.

Pus it's not as if we were going to catch 1974 BU for that single season ECAC goals scored mark.

Don't know why I'm being so civil to Clarkson other than maybe I'm not my usual ornery self this morning (it will pass) ... and we have a place up in the Adirondacks and we've seen some of the effects of the soft economy of the Adirondacks / North Country. Regarding the quip about avg teeth per fan, 32/Cornell, 12/Clarkson. Nobody sets out to have a dozen teeth left as an adult. The economy sucks. The restrictions on growth & development in the APA (Adirondack Park) area limit job opportunities in order to give those of us living in the New York, Phildelphia, and Boston areas a pristine vacationland. (The St. Lawrence river area is pretty nice, too; check out the Thousand Islands in July.) If you thinks Tompkins County and environs are a mixed bag for blue collar people, you ain't seen nothing. A lot of the jobs are seasonal and a lot of the jobs have no medical / dental benefits. If your family of five is getting by on $25K a year, $30K a year, a $700 crown may not be No. 1 on your discretionary income priorities list, just as taking those kids-now-adults to the dentist wasn't in the budget 20 years ago. For some of these fans, a $7 GA Clarkson hockey ticket is one of their luxuries. I'm sure more than a few of them may have walked out of the arena muttering "Ivy League assholes" and thinking the Cornell kids all have it made. And even if you're leaving Cornell with $80,000 in loan debt and no steady girlfriend, you do. In comparison.

The other thing - vicioius circle, you'd say - is that with not much to do for work with only a HS diploma in small towns and for those living way outside Potsdam / Massena, is that entertainment equals drinking in bars, which eventually leads to your second DUI and long term loss of license. Then they can't go to work at their crappy, low-paying job and they're even worse off. Try to find a work crew to help fix your summer place. What you have to do is find two guys who still have their license to drive the other three DUI guys, the craftsmen-when-sober, to the jobsite each day. (Oh, yeah, and pay by the job, not the hour.)

If you're lucky, you try to latch on to a job with St. Lawrence or Clarkson with benefits. It's also the reason prisons are not exactly unwelcome in the North Country. They mean jobs. BTW the Olympic Village housing from 1980, much of that is a state prison now.

[edit: fixing typos]

Schafter talked along the same lines: A 3-0 lead is pretty much locked in as a win (you'd think not say those words aloud)

Remember the game at lynah, going into the third with a 3-0 lead and then letting up 2 quick goals. WE still won, but it was a little scary for awhile.

This could be the last time we see Latulippe ::tears::

[Q]Avash '05 Wrote:
You're not mistaken . LeNeveu did indeed have 9 shutouts, but I said "record for shutouts in a regular season," and in the regular season, he had 7.
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Here are all the Cornell shut outs: [www.tbrw.info]

LeNeveu is the only Cornell netminder to record 2 shutouts in the same post-season.

Cornell PS has 7 ECAC and 1 NCAA shutouts:

1966 ECAC QF (McKibbon)
1967 NCAA SF (Dryden, arguably the greatest goaltending performance in Cornell history)
1969 ECAC QF (Dryden)
1989 ECAC QF (D'Alessio, the 0-0 tie)
1996 ECAC SF (Elliott)
2002 ECAC SF (Underhill)
2003 ECAC QF (LeNeveu)
2003 ECAC SF (LeNeveu, for 2 consecutive shut outs)

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Don't know why I'm being so civil to Clarkson other than maybe I'm not my usual ornery self this morning (it will pass) ... and we have a place up in the Adirondacks and we've seen some of the effects of the soft economy of the Adirondacks / North Country. Regarding the quip about avg teeth per fan, 32/Cornell, 12/Clarkson. Nobody sets out to have a dozen teeth left as an adult. The economy sucks. The restrictions on growth & development in the APA (Adirondack Park) area limit job opportunities in order to give those of us living in the New York, Phildelphia, and Boston areas a pristine vacationland. (The St. Lawrence river area is pretty nice, too; check out the Thousand Islands in July.) If you thinks Tompkins County and environs are a mixed bag for blue collar people, you ain't seen nothing. A lot of the jobs are seasonal and a lot of the jobs have no medical / dental benefits. If your family of five is getting by on $25K a year, $30K a year, a $700 crown may not be No. 1 on your discretionary income priorities list, just as taking those kids-now-adults to the dentist wasn't in the budget 20 years ago. For some of these fans, a $7 GA Clarkson hockey ticket is one of their luxuries. I'm sure more than a few of them may have walked out of the arena muttering "Ivy League assholes" and thinking the Cornell kids all have it made. And even if you're leaving Cornell with $80,000 in loan debt and no steady girlfriend, you do. In comparison.

The other thing - vicioius circle, you'd say - is that with not much to do for work with only a HS diploma in small towns and for those living way outside Potsdam / Massena, is that entertainment equals drinking in bars, which eventually leads to your second DUI and long term loss of license. Then they can't go to work at their crappy, low-paying job and they're even worse off. Try to find a work crew to help fix your summer place. What you have to do is find two guys who still have their license to drive the other three DUI guys, the craftsmen-when-sober, to the jobsite each day. (Oh, yeah, and pay by the job, not the hour.)

If you're lucky, you try to latch on to a job with St. Lawrence or Clarkson with benefits. It's also the reason prisons are not exactly unwelcome in the North Country. They mean jobs. BTW the Olympic Village housing from 1980, much of that is a state prison now.




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here here .
the new york economy is shite. outside the ithaca bubble (with only 2% unemployment but 40% living below the poverty rate) it is so much worse. you try to feed a family of 5 on a mcdonalds paycheck, and while you do it try to care that elitist ivy league sap is waiting an extra couple minutes for his big friggin mac. get off that high horse before you hit your head, knock out all your teeth and have to use mommy's dental insurance.

sorry, but one thing The Rancor does not stand for is that classism bullshit. most of the people on this board are really lucky. try to remember that. also unless you are a hockey player, and a few missing teeth are a badge of honor, i doubt you would have such a high sense of self if you were missing 3 of your front 4, and both bicuspids. after a week of embarrassment your will to live likely goes down incrementally until some duche gives you shit at McDonalds and you go home and take the rest of your teeth out with a shot gun.
RANT!!!

[Q]The Rancor Wrote:

here here .
the new york economy is shite. outside the ithaca bubble (with only 2% unemployment but 40% living below the poverty rate) it is so much worse. you try to feed a family of 5 on a mcdonalds paycheck, and while you do it try to care that elitist ivy league sap is waiting an extra couple minutes for his big friggin mac. get off that high horse before you hit your head, knock out all your teeth and have to use mommy's dental insurance.

sorry, but one thing The Rancor does not stand for is that classism bullshit. most of the people on this board are really lucky. try to remember that. also unless you are a hockey player, and a few missing teeth are a badge of honor, i doubt you would have such a high sense of self if you were missing 3 of your front 4, and both bicuspids. after a week of embarrassment your will to live likely goes down incrementally until some duche gives you shit at McDonalds and you go home and take the rest of your teeth out with a shot gun.
RANT!!!
[/q]

I can only hope the residents of rural New York keep this in mind when they go to the ballot box and put the Republican rhetoric about the evils of socialized medicine, big government, and the "death tax" in the proper perspective.

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
If you're lucky, you try to latch on to a job with St. Lawrence or Clarkson with benefits. It's also the reason prisons are not exactly unwelcome in the North Country.[/q]

Upstate politicians love prisons and tough drug sentences because the inmates are counted as residents for budget and districting purposes - but they can't vote.

err.... most of upstate NY is Republican.... and i hope you are right. unfortunately, they all need to move to Ohio and Florida apparently to make a difference, that is when they switch to the light side of the force!

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

1989 ECAC QF (D'Alessio, the 0-0 tie)
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How was there a tie in the ECAC playoffs?

Nothing stops a progressive Republican from favoring health insurance covering those who don't have insurance b/c of their lack of jobs or their crummy jobs. Or stops them from being pro-choice. And still wanting to keep spending in check.

As nothing stops a Democrat from favoring capital punishment. He or she will probably not be asked to dine alongside Senator Kennedy.

[Q]BCrespi Wrote:

Trotsky Wrote:

1989 ECAC QF (D'Alessio, the 0-0 tie)
[/Q]
How was there a tie in the ECAC playoffs?[/q]

I believe that was during the era when the quarterfinals were a 2 game affair with a 20 minute "minigame" played immediately after the second game if the series was tied at that point. I know we lost at home to Clarkson in '87 (maybe?) in the minigame.

Edit: I just checked. It was a series at clarkson. We won the first game 5-3 and tied the second 0-0. I think old age is catching up to me since I was a student season ticket holder then and didn't remember this at all. Sigh.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2005 12:32PM by schoaff.