Opponents and Others 2023-24

Despite BC’s superstars, I’d give the edge to QU in the OT based on the way they played the 3rd period and their edge in experience. We’ll know soon enough.

MALONEEEEEE

scoop85
Among the names in the transfer portal is UCONN’s Matthew Wood, a 1st round draftee in the 2022 NHL draft. Rumored to be looking at Minnesota/Wisconsin/NoDak. If he leaves a big loss for a Huskies program trying to gain relevance.

When is the Transfer Portal deadline? or does such a thing exist?

Dunc
MALONEEEEEE

Boy were those mixed feels.

Trotsky

Dunc
MALONEEEEEE

Boy were those mixed feels.

No need to have mixed emotions about a grad transfer.

ugarte

Trotsky

Dunc
MALONEEEEEE

Boy were those mixed feels.

No need to have mixed emotions about a grad transfer.

Player transfers from Cornell prior to graduating—>actively root against them

Player transfers from Cornell after playing four years here—>don’t root for or against them, but generally would prefer they don’t succeed on their new team to make me feel less bad about the Ivy’s idiotic rules

That wasn't it at all.

The mixed feels was wishing he was still with us, but also being happy for him. There was nothing vituperative.

I wouldn't root against a guy who left us either. It wasn't a good fit.

But I'm also friends with my exes, so...

I’m rather indifferent to the guys who leave before graduating, but have no trouble supporting the players who do well as grad transfers (well, maybe Zach Tupker would be an exception). I was thrilled for Malone, especially because he knocked out QU. It would have exacerbated my frustration over the Denver loss if QU had somehow gotten to another FF and knocked off the #1 team to do it. And to their credit did they come close.

Mid-majors like RIT, Michigan Tech, Army are getting absolutely wrecked in the transfer portal right now.

We don’t have to contend with Cooper Black anymore. He just signed an entry level contract with Florida.

And now QU’s Jacob Quillan has signed with Toronto.

< Moved to departure thread. >

BearLover
Mid-majors like RIT, Michigan Tech, Army are getting absolutely wrecked in the transfer portal right now.

How does it work with the academies? Isn't that a little... complicated?

< Moved to departure thread. >

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Basse, a 2019 draft pick of the @NHLBlackhawks, comes to St. Lawrence after two seasons with Colorado College and two with St. Cloud State!

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Saints fans, please join us is in welcoming @dom_basse to the Skating Saints family!

Basse, a 2019 draft pick of the @NHLBlackhawks, comes to St. Lawrence after two seasons with Colorado College and two with St. Cloud State!

Welcome to the family, Dominic! #herewegoSAINTS… pic.twitter.com/S5wg5esTBg

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When will we see a four school player?

arugula

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Saints fans, please join us is in welcoming @dom_basse to the Skating Saints family!

Basse, a 2019 draft pick of the @NHLBlackhawks, comes to St. Lawrence after two seasons with Colorado College and two with St. Cloud State!

Welcome to the family, Dominic! #herewegoSAINTS… pic.twitter.com/S5wg5esTBg

— St. Lawrence Men’s Hockey (@SkatingSaints) April 1, 2024

When will we see a four school player?

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s happened already but it’s far less likely because you’d have to sit out a year when transferring more than once as an undergrad in most situations. Three schools is a lot easier because you get the one transfer with immediate eligibility and then you’re also eligible right away as a grad transfer.

Basse is actually a great pick up for a school like Saint Lawrence. Seems like a weird choice on Basse’s part but who am I to judge.

chimpfood
Basse is actually a great pick up for a school like Saint Lawrence. Seems like a weird choice on Basse’s part but who am I to judge.

Maybe he is already on campus if he transferred so as to enjoy the Eclipse.

He played two years at Colorado College (41 games) and two years at St. Cloud State (44 games), isn’t his eligibility used up? I assume he’s a grad student, how much time does he get? Does the odometer turn back to zero?

George64
He played two years at Colorado College (41 games) and two years at St. Cloud State (44 games), isn’t his eligibility used up? I assume he’s a grad student, how much time does he get? Does the odometer turn back to zero?

probably still a COVID bonus year

ugarte

George64
He played two years at Colorado College (41 games) and two years at St. Cloud State (44 games), isn’t his eligibility used up? I assume he’s a grad student, how much time does he get? Does the odometer turn back to zero?

probably still a COVID bonus year

I thought COVID only gave you an extra year to do your 4. I'm at a loss to see how somebody with 4 full years can come back, unless it's a one semester thing like Inglehart.

Covid year never happened in the scheme of things.

upprdeck
Covid year never happened in the scheme of things.

Exactly. Clearly, since he played 20+ games that year but then was denied the opportunity to ride the bench in a couple of league playoff games, he deserves another entire year of eligibility, the poor dear.

I am so over COVID 5th years.

Trotsky

ugarte

George64
He played two years at Colorado College (41 games) and two years at St. Cloud State (44 games), isn’t his eligibility used up? I assume he’s a grad student, how much time does he get? Does the odometer turn back to zero?

probably still a COVID bonus year

I thought COVID only gave you an extra year to do your 4. I'm at a loss to see how somebody with 4 full years can come back, unless it's a one semester thing like Inglehart.

The COVID year of 2020-21 did not count towards the four years of eligibility. That’s why for several years now we’ve been going up against opponents playing their fifth season of college hockey. Several teams like Quinnipiac and Western Michigan are loaded with players who have played five full seasons.

I did not know that. Yikes.

Trotsky
I did not know that. Yikes.

Due respect man, but how the F did you not know that?*

Meme posts and crank aside, you're pretty knowledgeable and lucid (most of the time).

*Possible exception if your browser extension that blocks you from seeing any bearlover posts just broke down, and this is the first time the 5th year rant got through

I knew about the 5th year. But I thought it had to do time lost to COVID. Not counting time played during COVID is seriously weird to me. I may just have mentally blocked it out as absurd, like MLB extra innings and professionals allowed in the Olympics.

Trotsky
I did not know that. Yikes.

Yeah no offense but have you really never clicked the stats page of an opposing player on CHN or a similar site? This has been happening in every college sport, not just hockey, since 2020-21. When Quinnipiac won the title last year, they had like nine players playing the fifth full college hockey season.

Trotsky
I knew about the 5th year. But I thought it had to do time lost to COVID. Not counting time played during COVID is seriously weird to me. I may just have mentally blocked it out as absurd, like MLB extra innings a d professional allowed in the Olympics.

TBH I didn't know this either until I read an article on Caitlin Clark which claimed she is eligible to come back for a fifth season despite playing 30 games in the COVID year of 2020-21 (though she probably won't). I thought the reporter was seriously misinformed, but nope, it's all true.

Trotsky
I knew about the 5th year. But I thought it had to do time lost to COVID. Not counting time played during COVID is seriously weird to me. I may just have mentally blocked it out as absurd, like MLB extra innings a d professional allowed in the Olympics.

I did not know that either, but then I've paid less attention to college hockey in the past few years.

Still, it seems completely bonkers. The effect seems to be to reward programs that were less concerned about public health in 2020-2021.

jtwcornell91

Trotsky
I knew about the 5th year. But I thought it had to do time lost to COVID. Not counting time played during COVID is seriously weird to me. I may just have mentally blocked it out as absurd, like MLB extra innings a d professional allowed in the Olympics.

I did not know that either, but then I've paid less attention to college hockey in the past few years.

Still, it seems completely bonkers. The effect seems to be to reward programs that were less concerned about public health in 2020-2021.

Exactly! Not only did those players and programs get an extra year of flexibility compared to the Ivy students and programs, they got an extra year of experience, too.

pjd8

jtwcornell91

Trotsky
I knew about the 5th year. But I thought it had to do time lost to COVID. Not counting time played during COVID is seriously weird to me. I may just have mentally blocked it out as absurd, like MLB extra innings a d professional allowed in the Olympics.

I did not know that either, but then I've paid less attention to college hockey in the past few years.

Still, it seems completely bonkers. The effect seems to be to reward programs that were less concerned about public health in 2020-2021.

Exactly! Not only did those players and programs get an extra year of flexibility compared to the Ivy students and programs, they got an extra year of experience, too.

We’ve been saying this for years! Where have you all been?

Gabe Seger was a student at Union for three years, before transferring to Cornell for two additional years.

- AHCA All-American Scholar (2020-21)
- ECAC Hockey All-Rookie Team (2019-20)
- ECAC Hockey All-Academic Team (2019-20, 2020-21, 2021-22)

Union’s 2020-21 season was canceled due to COVID, so he only competed for four years. Could Gabe play another year as a grad student at a non-Ivy? Given his academic record, he’d have no trouble getting into a quality school.

George64
Gabe Seger was a student at Union for three years, before transferring to Cornell for two additional years.

- AHCA All-American Scholar (2020-21)
- ECAC Hockey All-Rookie Team (2019-20)
- ECAC Hockey All-Academic Team (2019-20, 2020-21, 2021-22)

Union’s 2020-21 season was canceled due to COVID, so he only competed for four years. Could Gabe play another year as a grad student at a non-Ivy? Given his academic record, he’d have no trouble getting into a quality school.

No, his eligibility is exhausted. The rule is simply that the 2020-21 season didn’t count towards the four years of eligibility. Seger sat out 2020-21 and played four other seasons.

BearLover

pjd8

jtwcornell91

Trotsky
I knew about the 5th year. But I thought it had to do time lost to COVID. Not counting time played during COVID is seriously weird to me. I may just have mentally blocked it out as absurd, like MLB extra innings a d professional allowed in the Olympics.

I did not know that either, but then I've paid less attention to college hockey in the past few years.

Still, it seems completely bonkers. The effect seems to be to reward programs that were less concerned about public health in 2020-2021.

Exactly! Not only did those players and programs get an extra year of flexibility compared to the Ivy students and programs, they got an extra year of experience, too.

We’ve been saying this for years! Where have you all been?

They Must have had you on mute

chimpfood
Basse is actually a great pick up for a school like Saint Lawrence. Seems like a weird choice on Basse’s part but who am I to judge.

Basse was replaced as the No. 1 guy for St. Cloud in the last couple months of the season, by a freshman. He faced the prospect of playing very little next season at St. Cloud

adamw

chimpfood
Basse is actually a great pick up for a school like Saint Lawrence. Seems like a weird choice on Basse’s part but who am I to judge.

Basse was replaced as the No. 1 guy for St. Cloud in the last couple months of the season, by a freshman. He faced the prospect of playing very little next season at St. Cloud

Im not saying it was a wierd choice for him to leave but that it was a weird choice to choose Saint Lawrence.

chimpfood

adamw

chimpfood
Basse is actually a great pick up for a school like Saint Lawrence. Seems like a weird choice on Basse’s part but who am I to judge.

Basse was replaced as the No. 1 guy for St. Cloud in the last couple months of the season, by a freshman. He faced the prospect of playing very little next season at St. Cloud

Im not saying it was a wierd choice for him to leave but that it was a weird choice to choose Saint Lawrence.

with Craws leaving, seems like a good opportunity.

chimpfood

adamw

chimpfood
Basse is actually a great pick up for a school like Saint Lawrence. Seems like a weird choice on Basse’s part but who am I to judge.

Basse was replaced as the No. 1 guy for St. Cloud in the last couple months of the season, by a freshman. He faced the prospect of playing very little next season at St. Cloud

Im not saying it was a wierd choice for him to leave but that it was a weird choice to choose Saint Lawrence.

Just like when Kraws went there, there are few opportunities for 5th year goalies on the skids.

Hell of a game going between Denver and BU. I’ll be cheering for whoever wins this in the final.

That overtime was amazing.

Was rooting for BU shockingly. Eastern bias. We beat them. Caron was an Ivy Leaguer. If BC gets through have to root for them-Malone.

arugula
Was rooting for BU shockingly. Eastern bias. We beat them. Caron was an Ivy Leaguer. If BC gets through have to root for them-Malone.

Agree on all points.

You have to give Denver credit for winning three straight 2-1 games, two in OT, especially since until the NCAAs began they hadn't won a game all season when they scored less than three goals.

arugula
Was rooting for BU shockingly. Eastern bias. We beat them. Caron was an Ivy Leaguer. If BC gets through have to root for them-Malone.

Also 5<9.

Keeps Cornell in the running to get to 10 first.

I completely forgot this game was on.

Schafer just got a shoutout on the BC Michigan broadcast.

Robb
Keeps Cornell in the running to get to 10 first.

This.

Trotsky

Robb
Keeps Cornell in the running to get to 10 first.

This.

Fuck. First to 11, then.

At least we gave the champs a better game tbh an the runner up.

Pretty crazy that going into the frozen four it was the four highest scoring teams in the country but the games had an average of 3 goals total. Goes to show how hockey in the playoffs is much more defense oriented, and that being the way Schafer has us play all season helps us come playoff time.

Robb

Trotsky

Robb
Keeps Cornell in the running to get to 10 first.

This.

Fuck. First to 11, then.

At least we gave the champs a better game tbh an the runner up.

We finish 5th, I'm ok with that. Next year we take the cheese.

I didn't even last 3 minutes trying to be impartial. I hate BC.

Robb

Trotsky

Robb
Keeps Cornell in the running to get to 10 first.

This.

Fuck. First to 11, then.

At least we gave the champs a better game tbh a the runner up.

Denver has lost one NCAA tournament game since the pandemic-affected seasons.

Trotsky

Robb
Keeps Cornell in the running to get to 10 first.

This.

Damn... Nice run by Michigan, winning in 51,52,53,55,56.

Scoured the list to see who bumped them off in 54. Shocked to see it was RPI!

This puts a loss and a win we had in a different light: the loss to Denver and the win over BU.

I didn't see BC doing anything against DU better than we did. They had a great pp chance and a few other solid ones but they weren't better at getting through center ice or forechecking or controlling the puck than we were. Our play against DU was that of a team that is DU's near equal.

I didn't see the BU win, but a lot of folk seemed to think it was lucky. Maybe not so much. Maybe that game played out the way it did because the way the two teams caused it to, complementing styles that inevitably result in one team looking better but not really being better.

Announcers are always going to get excited about teams that are flashy, score a lot, are fast, etc. Their comments serve as a least common denominator, accessible to anyone, to keep the guy with the remote from switching to golf or WFF.

The teams that are patient, opportunistic, play good defense are a harder sell.

As the announcer alluded, DU played a lot like Cornell (even against Cornell they did), only a bit better than us.

abmarks

Trotsky

Robb
Keeps Cornell in the running to get to 10 first.

This.

Damn... Nice run by Michigan, winning in 51,52,53,55,56.

Scoured the list to see who bumped them off in 54. Shocked to see it was RPI!

It was Ned Harkness.

Trotsky
I didn't even last 3 minutes trying to be impartial. I hate BC.

BC West vs. BC East as far as I’m concerned. Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences. And what school doesn’t bring their own band to the FF?!

A pox on both their houses.

Denver was lucky to win the first 3 games and then played a really nice final game to win it all.

upprdeck
Denver was lucky to win the first 3 games and then played a really nice final game to win it all.

They were pretty lucky to win the final too. To win the NCAA tournament, extremely good luck is basically a prerequisite.

Scersk '97
Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences.

You know who else's fans are hated in their conference?

I've always liked Denver. For me the ideal F4 would be us, Denver, BU, and Wisco.

Scersk '97
BC West vs. BC East as far as I’m concerned.

BC West is Minny.

Trotsky

Scersk '97
Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences.

You know who else's fans are hated in their conference?

I've always liked Denver. For me the ideal F4 would be us, Denver, BU, and Wisco.

That’s a lot of red.

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences.

You know who else's fans are hated in their conference?

I've always liked Denver. For me the ideal F4 would be us, Denver, BU, and Wisco.

That’s a lot of red.

Good.

Trotsky

abmarks

Trotsky

Robb
Keeps Cornell in the running to get to 10 first.

This.

Damn... Nice run by Michigan, winning in 51,52,53,55,56.

Scoured the list to see who bumped them off in 54. Shocked to see it was RPI!

It was Ned Harkness.

The RPI win over Michigan was in the semis. RPI defeated Minnesota in OT in the finals.

Trotsky

Scersk '97
Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences.

You know who else's fans are hated in their conference?

I've always liked Denver. For me the ideal F4 would be us, Denver, BU, and Wisco.

Eh, I don't think we're hated overly much, for the same reasons I can't hate the Minnesota fans: there are just enough doomsayers and Eeyores that it keeps the fan base quasi-humble, and they've got a good band.

As far as your group goes, I'll take it. If I have to pick amongst the "blue bloods," I'd swap in UND for Denver.

In a perfect world of unreality, I'd swap in Michigan Tech.

(And I'd never swap in any of our ECAC brethren. A loss to one of them would be just crushing.)

The perfect scenario is Cornell > Harvard / Clarkson > SLU / Cornell > Clarkson.

Laughing at teams like BC/BU/NoDak/Quinnipiac losing just doesn’t hit the same when they’ve won national championships recently. (BU fans might try to claim 15 years is a long time, but to a Cornell fan it’s definitely not.) At the same time, each brutal loss by Cornell feels extra crushing because it’s been so long since we’ve won at hockey or lacrosse (“our sports,” as scoop85 puts it). I’d shrug off our loss to Denver this year in hockey or today’s lax loss to ND much more easily if we had actually won it all recently. But that hasn’t happened since the 70s. I know others on this forum have been enduring heartbreaking losses for longer than I have, but it’s starting to wear on me too.

adamw
Just like when Kraws went there [Saint Lawrence], there are few opportunities for 5th year goalies on the skids.

Just as Bogey and Bergman always had Paris, Bwen Kraws will always have Lake Placid and that 3-0 shutout of Quinnipiac. It improved his standing as he headed to the pros.

At the Cornell-at-St. Lawrence game, I sat in the top row of a section that included SLU partisans. Kraws pere was standing at the concourse rail right behind us. A woman I know said he was intense. I would say he was a mainstream hockey parent. Cornell fans owe one to Kraws (goalie) for standing on his head in Lake Placid in that shutout of Quinnipiac. I don't know we could've beaten Q in the final. The Saints made it a moot point.

Scersk '97

Trotsky
I didn't even last 3 minutes trying to be impartial. I hate BC.

BC West vs. BC East as far as I’m concerned. Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences. And what school doesn’t bring their own band to the FF?!

A pox on both their houses.

I missed the band trivia. Wasn't that a D. U. band?

BearLover
Laughing at teams like BC/BU/NoDak/Quinnipiac losing just doesn’t hit the same when they’ve won national championships recently. (BU fans might try to claim 15 years is a long time, but to a Cornell fan it’s definitely not.) At the same time, each brutal loss by Cornell feels extra crushing because it’s been so long since we’ve won at hockey or lacrosse (“our sports,” as scoop85 puts it). I’d shrug off our loss to Denver this year in hockey or today’s lax loss to ND much more easily if we had actually won it all recently. But that hasn’t happened since the 70s. I know others on this forum have been enduring heartbreaking losses for longer than I have, but it’s starting to wear on me too.

This is what I was thinking after the Notre Dame loss yesterday. How many crushing losses does Cornell get to suffer? Otoh you have to be good to be in position to lose in crushing fashion.

arugula

BearLover
Laughing at teams like BC/BU/NoDak/Quinnipiac losing just doesn’t hit the same when they’ve won national championships recently. (BU fans might try to claim 15 years is a long time, but to a Cornell fan it’s definitely not.) At the same time, each brutal loss by Cornell feels extra crushing because it’s been so long since we’ve won at hockey or lacrosse (“our sports,” as scoop85 puts it). I’d shrug off our loss to Denver this year in hockey or today’s lax loss to ND much more easily if we had actually won it all recently. But that hasn’t happened since the 70s. I know others on this forum have been enduring heartbreaking losses for longer than I have, but it’s starting to wear on me too.

This is what I was thinking after the Notre Dame loss yesterday. How many crushing losses does Cornell get to suffer? Otoh you have to be good to be in position to lose in crushing fashion.

Sure, I had this thought too. But just this season in lax we pulled out remarkable wins against Princeton and Syracuse, so it’s not all a one way street.

arugula

BearLover
Laughing at teams like BC/BU/NoDak/Quinnipiac losing just doesn’t hit the same when they’ve won national championships recently. (BU fans might try to claim 15 years is a long time, but to a Cornell fan it’s definitely not.) At the same time, each brutal loss by Cornell feels extra crushing because it’s been so long since we’ve won at hockey or lacrosse (“our sports,” as scoop85 puts it). I’d shrug off our loss to Denver this year in hockey or today’s lax loss to ND much more easily if we had actually won it all recently. But that hasn’t happened since the 70s. I know others on this forum have been enduring heartbreaking losses for longer than I have, but it’s starting to wear on me too.

This is what I was thinking after the Notre Dame loss yesterday. How many crushing losses does Cornell get to suffer? Otoh you have to be good to be in position to lose in crushing fashion.

I prefer to have a different viewpoint.

Arguably, both the DU & ND losses were due to first-year mistakes by key players who are likely superstars. They won't make the same mistakes again. Hopefully they will both make amends, one as soon as May 27 this year in Philadelphia and the other, next year on April 12 in St. Lewis.

That these are realistic hopes for Cornell fans is something to be celebrated.

Swampy

arugula

BearLover
Laughing at teams like BC/BU/NoDak/Quinnipiac losing just doesn’t hit the same when they’ve won national championships recently. (BU fans might try to claim 15 years is a long time, but to a Cornell fan it’s definitely not.) At the same time, each brutal loss by Cornell feels extra crushing because it’s been so long since we’ve won at hockey or lacrosse (“our sports,” as scoop85 puts it). I’d shrug off our loss to Denver this year in hockey or today’s lax loss to ND much more easily if we had actually won it all recently. But that hasn’t happened since the 70s. I know others on this forum have been enduring heartbreaking losses for longer than I have, but it’s starting to wear on me too.

This is what I was thinking after the Notre Dame loss yesterday. How many crushing losses does Cornell get to suffer? Otoh you have to be good to be in position to lose in crushing fashion.

I prefer to have a different viewpoint.

Arguably, both the DU & ND losses were due to first-year mistakes by key players who are likely superstars. They won't make the same mistakes again. Hopefully they will both make amends, one as soon as May 27 this year in Philadelphia and the other, next year on April 12 in St. Lewis.

That these are realistic hopes for Cornell fans is something to be celebrated.

That hasn’t happened in 50 years, though. So it doesn’t feel very realistic.

marty

Scersk '97

Trotsky
I didn't even last 3 minutes trying to be impartial. I hate BC.

BC West vs. BC East as far as I’m concerned. Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences. And what school doesn’t bring their own band to the FF?!

A pox on both their houses.

I missed the band trivia. Wasn't that a D. U. band?

So that Scott doesn't have to answer twice, whose band was it? I was actually pleasantly surprised that Denver has a band now (or so I thought).

Scersk '97
what school doesn’t bring their own band to the FF?!

Well, Bemidji State, but I was more willing to give them a pass.

Scersk '97

Trotsky

Scersk '97
Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences.

You know who else's fans are hated in their conference?

I've always liked Denver. For me the ideal F4 would be us, Denver, BU, and Wisco.

Eh, I don't think we're hated overly much, for the same reasons I can't hate the Minnesota fans: there are just enough doomsayers and Eeyores that it keeps the fan base quasi-humble, and they've got a good band.

As far as your group goes, I'll take it. If I have to pick amongst the "blue bloods," I'd swap in UND for Denver.

In a perfect world of unreality, I'd swap in Michigan Tech.

(And I'd never swap in any of our ECAC brethren. A loss to one of them would be just crushing.)

I'd pick three from BU, Clarkson, Wisconsin, Michigan Tech, and Minnesota-Duluth.

BearLover

Swampy

arugula

BearLover
Laughing at teams like BC/BU/NoDak/Quinnipiac losing just doesn’t hit the same when they’ve won national championships recently. (BU fans might try to claim 15 years is a long time, but to a Cornell fan it’s definitely not.) At the same time, each brutal loss by Cornell feels extra crushing because it’s been so long since we’ve won at hockey or lacrosse (“our sports,” as scoop85 puts it). I’d shrug off our loss to Denver this year in hockey or today’s lax loss to ND much more easily if we had actually won it all recently. But that hasn’t happened since the 70s. I know others on this forum have been enduring heartbreaking losses for longer than I have, but it’s starting to wear on me too.

This is what I was thinking after the Notre Dame loss yesterday. How many crushing losses does Cornell get to suffer? Otoh you have to be good to be in position to lose in crushing fashion.

I prefer to have a different viewpoint.

Arguably, both the DU & ND losses were due to first-year mistakes by key players who are likely superstars. They won't make the same mistakes again. Hopefully they will both make amends, one as soon as May 27 this year in Philadelphia and the other, next year on April 12 in St. Lewis.

That these are realistic hopes for Cornell fans is something to be celebrated.

That hasn’t happened in 50 years, though. So it doesn’t feel very realistic.

ok eeyore it's getting a little tiresome even to me

ugarte

BearLover

Swampy

arugula

BearLover
Laughing at teams like BC/BU/NoDak/Quinnipiac losing just doesn’t hit the same when they’ve won national championships recently. (BU fans might try to claim 15 years is a long time, but to a Cornell fan it’s definitely not.) At the same time, each brutal loss by Cornell feels extra crushing because it’s been so long since we’ve won at hockey or lacrosse (“our sports,” as scoop85 puts it). I’d shrug off our loss to Denver this year in hockey or today’s lax loss to ND much more easily if we had actually won it all recently. But that hasn’t happened since the 70s. I know others on this forum have been enduring heartbreaking losses for longer than I have, but it’s starting to wear on me too.

This is what I was thinking after the Notre Dame loss yesterday. How many crushing losses does Cornell get to suffer? Otoh you have to be good to be in position to lose in crushing fashion.

I prefer to have a different viewpoint.

Arguably, both the DU & ND losses were due to first-year mistakes by key players who are likely superstars. They won't make the same mistakes again. Hopefully they will both make amends, one as soon as May 27 this year in Philadelphia and the other, next year on April 12 in St. Lewis.

That these are realistic hopes for Cornell fans is something to be celebrated.

That hasn’t happened in 50 years, though. So it doesn’t feel very realistic.

ok eeyore it's getting a little tiresome even to me

Got

marty

Scersk '97

Trotsky
I didn't even last 3 minutes trying to be impartial. I hate BC.

BC West vs. BC East as far as I’m concerned. Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences. And what school doesn’t bring their own band to the FF?!

A pox on both their houses.

I missed the band trivia. Wasn't that a D. U. band?

Edina High School, from Edina, MN.

Beyond pathetic that DU hasn't had a pep band in 20 years. Guess their fans love the Jock Jams.

Scersk '97

marty

Scersk '97

Trotsky
I didn't even last 3 minutes trying to be impartial. I hate BC.

BC West vs. BC East as far as I’m concerned. Both teams’ fans suck and are reviled by their respective conferences. And what school doesn’t bring their own band to the FF?!

A pox on both their houses.

I missed the band trivia. Wasn't that a D. U. band?

Edina High School, from Edina, MN.

Beyond pathetic that DU hasn't had a pep band in 20 years. Guess their fans love the Jock Jams.

Well that answers why they had no band in Springfield but it doesn't answer why the QCheers were cuter (quter?) than the DUCheers.

Were the cheerleaders ringers, too?

Not that it matters, but this is the final poll. Shouldn't we be 5? No respect


Rnk Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Denver (50) 32-9-3 1000 3
2 Boston College 34-6-1 949 1
3 Boston University 28-10-2 898 2
4 Michigan 23-15-3 811 10
5 Michigan State 25-10-3 784 4
6 Quinnipiac 27-10-2 724 8
7 Minnesota 23-11-5 692 7
8 North Dakota 26-12-2 667 5
9 Cornell 22-7-6 582 12
10 Maine 23-12-2 565 6
11 Wisconsin 26-12-2 529 9
12 Omaha 23-13-4 441 11
13 Massachusetts 20-14-3 374 13
14 Western Michigan 21-16-1 362 14
15 Colorado College 21-13-3 300 15
16 Providence 18-13-4 200 16
16 RIT 27-11-2 200 17
18 St. Cloud 17-16-5 146 18
19 Michigan Tech 19-15-6 123 20
20 New Hampshire 20-15-1 100 19
Others receiving

nothing dumber than a post tournament poll

ugarte
nothing dumber than a post tournament poll

yes, but I'm grasping

arugula
Not that it matters, but this is the final poll. Shouldn't we be 5? No respect


Rnk Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll
1 Denver (50) 32-9-3 1000 3
2 Boston College 34-6-1 949 1
3 Boston University 28-10-2 898 2
4 Michigan 23-15-3 811 10
5 Michigan State 25-10-3 784 4
6 Quinnipiac 27-10-2 724 8
7 Minnesota 23-11-5 692 7
8 North Dakota 26-12-2 667 5
9 Cornell 22-7-6 582 12
10 Maine 23-12-2 565 6
11 Wisconsin 26-12-2 529 9
12 Omaha 23-13-4 441 11
13 Massachusetts 20-14-3 374 13
14 Western Michigan 21-16-1 362 14
15 Colorado College 21-13-3 300 15
16 Providence 18-13-4 200 16
16 RIT 27-11-2 200 17
18 St. Cloud 17-16-5 146 18
19 Michigan Tech 19-15-6 123 20
20 New Hampshire 20-15-1 100 19
Others receiving

Cornell at 5 is admittedly debatable, but Cornell should not be behind any team that couldn't manage to win a single game in this tournament (i.e., North Dakota).

Basing five on the fact that we lost to the eventual champion. Therefore Q is 6, etc.

arugula

ugarte
nothing dumber than a post tournament poll

yes, but I'm grasping

Dumb would also be not doing the poll. Gives the voters a chance to seed differently from how the brackets turn out, to upvote somebody who was really good and ran into a buzzsaw early in the tournament. In another bracket, they might have gone further. Where would Denver have been seeded if one of those UMass pipe shots gone in in Springfield and that was it for the Pioneers, or if it we'd forced overtime in the Springfield finals?

Been said here before: Tournaments determine champions, not best teams. Okay, in 2024 men's basketball, UConn was also the best team: 23 point average margin of victory over the tournament, closest game +14 over Alabama.

billhoward

arugula

ugarte
nothing dumber than a post tournament poll

yes, but I'm grasping

Dumb would also be not doing the poll. Gives the voters a chance to seed differently from how the brackets turn out, to upvote somebody who was really good and ran into a buzzsaw early in the tournament. In another bracket, they might have gone further. Where would Denver have been seeded if one of those UMass pipe shots gone in in Springfield and that was it for the Pioneers, or if it we'd forced overtime in the Springfield finals?

Been said here before: Tournaments determine champions, not best teams. Okay, in 2024 men's basketball, UConn was also the best team: 23 point average margin of victory over the tournament, closest game +14 over Alabama.

but who cares about their opinions after the tournament?

"We've thought about it and even though you lost, you shouldn't have. Stop cryin, it's a compliment!"

upprdeck
Denver was lucky to win the first 3 games and then played a really nice final game to win it all.

Interestingly, Denver played an indirect, but significant role, in Cornell’s emergence as a hockey power.

Ned Harkness was good friends with Murray Armstrong, the highly successful coach at Denver from 1956-77 (460-215-31), with five NCAA Championships. Armstrong had scouted twin brothers from Birsay, Saskatchewan, but at 5’9”, he thought they were too small to play in the WCHA, and recommended them to Ned. Doug and Dave’s father told Ned that younger brother Bobby had to be part of package, and in 1963, the three Ferguson brothers matriculated at Cornell. As a junior, Doug scored a nation-leading 71 points and set a Cornell record with 37 goals. The rest is history.

Tragically, Dave died at age 34 in an auto accident, 10 years after Cornell’s first NCAA championship. Doug died in 2003, and Bobby in 2010.

arugula
Basing five on the fact that we lost to the eventual champion.

I've been meaning to go back and edit the NT and ET fields in the CHDB to reflect this, now that consies are dead forever.

3 - lost to 1 in SF
4 - lost to 2 in SF
5 - lost to 1 in QF
...

Can easily be altered to deal with byes, etc.

CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Funny considering quite a few of the past years Syer has subbed for Schafer behind at Princeton due to illness

adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.

I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.

I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?

Iceberg

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Funny considering quite a few of the past years Syer has subbed for Schafer behind at Princeton due to illness

He's something like 9-1 (yes, I know the results go to Mike).

Trotsky

Iceberg

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Funny considering quite a few of the past years Syer has subbed for Schafer behind at Princeton due to illness

He's something like 9-1 (yes, I know the results go to Mike).

That was before Schafer was out with an illness in 2021-22. Syer’s record wasn’t as good that year.

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at [www.collegehockeynews.com]

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice. But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell

abmarks

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at [www.collegehockeynews.com]

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice. But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell

First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: “here’s the link, if anybody needs,” or something to that effect.

Second, I’m pretty certain this story has been edited. I don’t have the earlier version in front of me (because it’s been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of “finalist,” i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood’s.

abmarks
Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell

One likely factor is that Ben's wife Laura is Cornell's Vice President of Budget and Planning. So my guess is that Ben doesn't take a head coaching job at Princeton or any other school unless it's packaged with a similar gig for Laura.

BearLover

abmarks

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at [www.collegehockeynews.com]

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice. But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell

First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: “here’s the link, if anybody needs,” or something to that effect.

Second, I’m pretty certain this story has been edited. I don’t have the earlier version in front of me (because it’s been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of “finalist,” i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood’s.

Touchy touchy. Only bearlover would still feel insulted the one time I don't shit on him.

I was critiquing chimpfoods laziness, not yours bearlover, which is why I mentioned the link immediately after the chimpfood quote.

Bearlover, your question for adamw was said "I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job". It was fair to assume you were commenting on chimps post since you used the same language. No reason to believe you had read the original article or that it (might) have been revised, since there's no mention of update or revision in the article header.

Regardless, you're asking a good question if he actually is a true finalist for HC elsewhere.

Will

abmarks
Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell

One likely factor is that Ben's wife Laura is Cornell's Vice President of Budget and Planning. So my guess is that Ben doesn't take a head coaching job at Princeton or any other school unless it's packaged with a similar gig for Laura.

That is how the game is played.

He has deep roots with Q as well, so perhaps he is thinking either Q or Cornell.

abmarks

BearLover

abmarks

chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.

Leave a link next time?

For those of you looking, its at [www.collegehockeynews.com]

Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"

Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice. But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).


Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)

Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell

First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: “here’s the link, if anybody needs,” or something to that effect.

Second, I’m pretty certain this story has been edited. I don’t have the earlier version in front of me (because it’s been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of “finalist,” i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood’s.

Touchy touchy. Only bearlover would still feel insulted the one time I don't shit on him.

I was critiquing chimpfoods laziness, not yours bearlover, which is why I mentioned the link immediately after the chimpfood quote.

Bearlover, your question for adamw was said "I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job". It was fair to assume you were commenting on chimps post since you used the same language. No reason to believe you had read the original article or that it (might) have been revised, since there's no mention of update or revision in the article header.

Regardless, you're asking a good question if he actually is a true finalist for HC elsewhere.

I believe the story ysed to say that Syer was one of two “front runners.”