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Opponents and Others 2023-24

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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: pjd8 (---.sub-75-253-251.myvzw.com)
Date: March 10, 2024 03:57PM

BearLover
upprdeck
Next week

Cornell needs to take care and sweep but we get barely anything for that in the PWR

Umass-prov. 1 game series one will lose

STC vs WMU. root for WMU sweep
CC vs Omaha again need one to sweep and still not clear that does enough. Omaha sweeping Ndak last week not good for Cornell.

Still that would move us to 15th for sure.
I do not see a path for Cornell to get an at-large bid. I think it might be impossible to get into the top 14 at this point.

Especially when you consider the competition from below. UNH and Northeastern right now are better than their season record.

UNH is right behind Cornell in RPI. Their path to the HE title is Lowell, Maine, BU, BC. They just shut out Lowell twice, they are 2-1 vs. Maine this year, they've beaten BU (granted, early in the season), and recently held BC to a 1-0 game. They don't get a title without luck, but they are playing well enough right not to put them in a position where they can leverage some luck once getting to the semis.

Likewise, Northeastern has a Merrimack, BU, BC, Maine (with potentially UNH in there somewhere). They have beaten all but UNH this year (and those games were early in the season). Again, they still need luck to get to a title. But the reality is that the #7 team in HE is still a potential contender. The conference is just that deep.

So many things have to go well for Cornell for an at-large bid, that it would just be easier to win the ECAC title and be done with it. So let's do that.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 10, 2024 04:04PM

pjd8
BearLover
upprdeck
Next week

Cornell needs to take care and sweep but we get barely anything for that in the PWR

Umass-prov. 1 game series one will lose

STC vs WMU. root for WMU sweep
CC vs Omaha again need one to sweep and still not clear that does enough. Omaha sweeping Ndak last week not good for Cornell.

Still that would move us to 15th for sure.
I do not see a path for Cornell to get an at-large bid. I think it might be impossible to get into the top 14 at this point.

Especially when you consider the competition from below. UNH and Northeastern right now are better than their season record.

UNH is right behind Cornell in RPI. Their path to the HE title is Lowell, Maine, BU, BC. They just shut out Lowell twice, they are 2-1 vs. Maine this year, they've beaten BU (granted, early in the season), and recently held BC to a 1-0 game. They don't get a title without luck, but they are playing well enough right not to put them in a position where they can leverage some luck once getting to the semis.

Likewise, Northeastern has a Merrimack, BU, BC, Maine (with potentially UNH in there somewhere). They have beaten all but UNH this year (and those games were early in the season). Again, they still need luck to get to a title. But the reality is that the #7 team in HE is still a potential contender. The conference is just that deep.

So many things have to go well for Cornell for an at-large bid, that it would just be easier to win the ECAC title and be done with it. So let's do that.
Even assuming UNH and Northeastern lose, I’m not even sure it’s mathematically possible for Cornell to get an at-large bid. They’d need to pass both UMass and Providence, but those teams play each other next round and I don’t think it will be possible for the winner to drop below Cornell.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 10, 2024 04:06PM

It’s definitely possible, just unlikely.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: March 10, 2024 05:52PM

BearLover
upprdeck
Next week

Cornell needs to take care and sweep but we get barely anything for that in the PWR

Umass-prov. 1 game series one will lose

STC vs WMU. root for WMU sweep
CC vs Omaha again need one to sweep and still not clear that does enough. Omaha sweeping Ndak last week not good for Cornell.

Still that would move us to 15th for sure.
I do not see a path for Cornell to get an at-large bid. I think it might be impossible to get into the top 14 at this point.

that may be true. Easy enough to get to 15, but after that?
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 10, 2024 05:57PM

upprdeck
BearLover
upprdeck
Next week

Cornell needs to take care and sweep but we get barely anything for that in the PWR

Umass-prov. 1 game series one will lose

STC vs WMU. root for WMU sweep
CC vs Omaha again need one to sweep and still not clear that does enough. Omaha sweeping Ndak last week not good for Cornell.

Still that would move us to 15th for sure.
I do not see a path for Cornell to get an at-large bid. I think it might be impossible to get into the top 14 at this point.

that may be true. Easy enough to get to 15, but after that?
gotta have one of the NCHC teams drop basically.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 10, 2024 08:23PM

chimpfood
upprdeck
BearLover
upprdeck
Next week

Cornell needs to take care and sweep but we get barely anything for that in the PWR

Umass-prov. 1 game series one will lose

STC vs WMU. root for WMU sweep
CC vs Omaha again need one to sweep and still not clear that does enough. Omaha sweeping Ndak last week not good for Cornell.

Still that would move us to 15th for sure.
I do not see a path for Cornell to get an at-large bid. I think it might be impossible to get into the top 14 at this point.

that may be true. Easy enough to get to 15, but after that?
gotta have one of the NCHC teams drop basically.
Looks impossible to catch any of them. Ergo, impossible to get into the top 14.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.217.---)
Date: March 10, 2024 09:38PM

One must wonder how things would've shaken out if at least a few ECAC teams other than Cornell and Q had even decent OOC records
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: March 11, 2024 12:18AM

It's not impossible, or else Cornell wouldn't show up here with >0% odds

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

whatever you think of the methodology for picking winners for each game - it proves it's possible to happen.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 11, 2024 01:13AM

adamw
It's not impossible, or else Cornell wouldn't show up here with >0% odds

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

whatever you think of the methodology for picking winners for each game - it proves it's possible to happen.
Yup—thanks. It probably involves UMD and Cornell both losing in their conference finals, at a minimum. I’m not sure how else Cornell gains enough RPI to overtake that many teams.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: March 11, 2024 09:01AM

The question is how high does 3 wins take us with the finals loss to Quin?

rough guessing with the PWR tool

Omaha-cc play if one sweeps the loser ends up around .5495
WMU sweeps. SC cloud goes into the .5370 range
Prov wins Umass falls to .5466


if we sweep we only move up to .5475.

Maybe 3 more win gets up a touch higher. but that last loss may knock us back down to far?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/11/2024 07:28PM by upprdeck.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: CU2007 (---.biz.spectrum.com)
Date: March 11, 2024 01:13PM

Interesting the chn model gives us a 2% chance of an at-large. I wonder what it is if we sweep Harvard, win the semi and lose the final to qpac. That is, how much of it is in our hands vs totally out of our control.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: March 11, 2024 01:47PM

Win the next 2 and then we have our answer on what needs to happen.

If you want to get into the NCAAs and do well you have to beat teams all better than the next few we have to play anyway.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 11, 2024 05:12PM

upprdeck

Obamna-cc play if one sweeps the loser ends up around .5495
FIFY

 
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BlueSky (50.228.149.---)
Date: March 15, 2024 06:03AM

As much as this weekend scares me, and it really shouldn't....we need to survive and advance. What I like is we are young and desperate, playing for survival. The Q, when they get to LP, are in. Playing for a SEED and not a SPOT in the tourney are very different things and I like our chances! Don't play down to inferior teams and take care of business. Hopefully the health issues are behind us.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: CU2007 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 16, 2024 08:36AM

Our chance of at-large is up to 4% after last night’s games according to the probability matrix
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: March 16, 2024 08:44AM

CU2007
Our chance of at-large is up to 4% after last night’s games according to the probability matrix
Hope spring eternal!
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: March 16, 2024 09:01AM

Minn D winning one probably helps

mass - prov not sure if the Mass win helps us or Prov win helps us.

Omaha needs to lose to maybe catch them

St cloud losing helps more than WMU losing, I think

Leagues having the 1 game playoffs hurts us with no teams losing twice.

I would think we want to play Colgate next rd for PWR?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/16/2024 09:02AM by upprdeck.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: March 16, 2024 02:07PM

I would have to think that Quin/BU/Mass getting as far as they can is much needed to try and get some more quality bonus.

Still hard to see how to get to 14th and lose the final game.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Chris '03 (104.28.77.---)
Date: March 16, 2024 04:14PM

UMass up 2-0 on PC early in HEA.

 
___________________________
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 16, 2024 08:58PM

Ohio State eliminated, so one less possibility of an autobid going to a lower ranked team.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 16, 2024 08:59PM

Fewer...
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 16, 2024 09:04PM

Trotsky
Fewer...

flipc
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-216-212.myvzw.com)
Date: March 16, 2024 09:51PM

UNO 2, CC 1 after 2.

 
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 16, 2024 10:25PM

And Michigan leading the Goofers 2-0 after 2.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 16, 2024 10:47PM

ugarte
UNO 2, CC 1 after 2.
Final: UNO 3 CC 1
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-215-244.myvzw.com)
Date: March 16, 2024 10:48PM

Trotsky
ugarte
UNO 2, CC 1 after 2.
Final: UNO 3 CC 1

I think, but I'm not sure, that that does it for our at large chances.

Could be wrong.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 16, 2024 10:57PM

Dafatone
Trotsky
ugarte
UNO 2, CC 1 after 2.
Final: UNO 3 CC 1

I think, but I'm not sure, that that does it for our at large chances.

Could be wrong.

On Twitter Adam said as much
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: March 16, 2024 10:59PM

scoop85
Dafatone
Trotsky
ugarte
UNO 2, CC 1 after 2.
Final: UNO 3 CC 1

I think, but I'm not sure, that that does it for our at large chances.

Could be wrong.

On Twitter Adam said as much

Was just coming here to say that I've just been running more numbers - and yeah, can't see any way for Cornell now. Would've been very possible if Omaha lost. That was the ballgame.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 16, 2024 11:02PM

adamw
scoop85
Dafatone
Trotsky
ugarte
UNO 2, CC 1 after 2.
Final: UNO 3 CC 1

I think, but I'm not sure, that that does it for our at large chances.

Could be wrong.

On Twitter Adam said as much

Was just coming here to say that I've just been running more numbers - and yeah, can't see any way for Cornell now. Would've been very possible if Omaha lost. That was the ballgame.

Just win, baby.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 16, 2024 11:06PM

If you don't win it
You shoont be in it


 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 16, 2024 11:24PM

BearLover
There are some YouTube videos with yours of college hockey facilities. For example, UMass, which provides its players 24-hour access to a rink and gym exclusive to the hockey team:
[youtu.be]

Contrast with the Cornell men’s team, which shares its ice with the women’s team, figure skating team, club team, intramurals, and recreational skaters, and which has a couple exclusive bikes and treadmills.
I believe we know the order of priority which is men's then women's hockey then everybody else.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: March 16, 2024 11:36PM

At least the PWR prob matrix gives us a 30% chance to get in..

Beat the Dart goalie and see what happens vs Q.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 17, 2024 10:49PM

adamw
scoop85
Dafatone
Trotsky
ugarte
UNO 2, CC 1 after 2.
Final: UNO 3 CC 1

I think, but I'm not sure, that that does it for our at large chances.

Could be wrong.

On Twitter Adam said as much

Was just coming here to say that I've just been running more numbers - and yeah, can't see any way for Cornell now. Would've been very possible if Omaha lost. That was the ballgame.

So it's impossible for us to best Western Michigan?
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Chris '03 (104.28.132.---)
Date: March 17, 2024 11:31PM

marty
adamw
scoop85
Dafatone
Trotsky
ugarte
UNO 2, CC 1 after 2.
Final: UNO 3 CC 1

I think, but I'm not sure, that that does it for our at large chances.

Could be wrong.

On Twitter Adam said as much

Was just coming here to say that I've just been running more numbers - and yeah, can't see any way for Cornell now. Would've been very possible if Omaha lost. That was the ballgame.

So it's impossible for us to best Western Michigan?

Not without winning both in Placid. Can play with it on CHN YATC tool: [www.collegehockeynews.com]

 
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"Mark Mazzoleni looks like a guy whose dog just died out there..."
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: March 18, 2024 09:00AM

Win out get the 11 seed is the goal
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Iceberg (---.ct.co.cr)
Date: March 18, 2024 08:04PM

Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Scersk '97 (104.28.55.---)
Date: March 22, 2024 11:46PM

Denver wins, so still a shot at a #3 seed.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 22, 2024 11:55PM

I wonder what combo does it? I played with variations and couldnt find it
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Scersk '97 (104.28.55.---)
Date: March 23, 2024 12:00AM

Denver has to win. Michigan has to lose.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 23, 2024 08:10AM

YUP. MSU/DENVER

After that the RIT/AIC and the BU/BC gane didnt seem to matter
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: VIEWfromK (50.234.120.---)
Date: March 25, 2024 03:06PM

Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: sah67 (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: March 25, 2024 03:37PM

For those worried about how "small time" the ECACs in LP felt, here's what the St. Louis NCAA regional (Michigan, Michigan State, North Dakota and Western Michigan) site looks like:

"The center features four rinks: a "feature" rink with 2,500 tip-up seats and a four-sided HD video scoreboard..."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2024 03:38PM by sah67.

 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 03:56PM

Sounded like they didn't have another option for a "western" site.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Iceberg (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 03:58PM

I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: March 25, 2024 04:17PM

Iceberg
I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.

Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals? The Eastern sites are close enough that dedicated fans could commute between Soringfield and Providence to see all six games, but not in the West, but if they were all in one place, it might improve the attendance of both sets of games.

 
___________________________
JTW

@jtwcornell91@hostux.social
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 04:26PM

Some AHL sites in the Midwest: Chicago, Cleveland, Grand Rapids, Des Moines, Milwaukee, Rockford.

ECHL rinks in the area are in Kalamazoo, Toledo, Cincinnati, Iowa City, Indianapolis, Fort Wayne, and Kansas City.

FWIW al lot of the ECHL rinks are pretty small (5000 seats).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2024 04:51PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 04:34PM

Iceberg
I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.

I think it has to do with who the host(s) is (are). In this case, the Midwest Regional is hosted by Lindenwood University and the St. Louis Sports Commission.

What's even more surprising is that the St. Louis Sports Commission has partnered with the University of Vermont to host the 2025 Frozen Four in St. Louis. In large part, this is because UVM has "connections to the St. Louis Blues President, and UVM alum, Chris Zimmerman."

I bet there are lots of Vermont citizens who would be shocked to learn their state university chose Missouri as the place to host a tournament.scream
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 04:37PM

Swampy
Iceberg
I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.

I think it has to do with who the host(s) is (are). In this case, the Midwest Regional is hosted by Lindenwood University and the St. Louis Sports Commission.

What's even more surprising is that the St. Louis Sports Commission has partnered with the University of Vermont to host the 2025 Frozen Four in St. Louis. In large part, this is because UVM has "connections to the St. Louis Blues President, and UVM alum, Chris Zimmerman."

I bet there are lots of Vermont citizens who would be shocked to learn their state university chose Missouri as the place to host a tournament.scream
vermont home game in st. louis has real extreme weather event vibes

 
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 04:43PM

jtwcornell91
Iceberg
I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.

Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals? The Eastern sites are close enough that dedicated fans could commute between Soringfield and Providence to see all six games, but not in the West, but if they were all in one place, it might improve the attendance of both sets of games.

I wish. And think the the attendance griping would be resolved in part by having one east and one west regional like the 12 team days.

 
___________________________
"Mark Mazzoleni looks like a guy whose dog just died out there..."
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: RichH (104.28.76.---)
Date: March 25, 2024 05:28PM

ugarte
Swampy
Iceberg
I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.

I think it has to do with who the host(s) is (are). In this case, the Midwest Regional is hosted by Lindenwood University and the St. Louis Sports Commission.

What's even more surprising is that the St. Louis Sports Commission has partnered with the University of Vermont to host the 2025 Frozen Four in St. Louis. In large part, this is because UVM has "connections to the St. Louis Blues President, and UVM alum, Chris Zimmerman."

I bet there are lots of Vermont citizens who would be shocked to learn their state university chose Missouri as the place to host a tournament.scream
vermont home game in st. louis has real extreme weather event vibes

The 1999 Frozen Four in Anaheim was hosted by Alaska-Anchorage.

There’s some joke to be made about UVM getting tricked into thinking it was hosting Martin St. Louis.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: RichH (104.28.76.---)
Date: March 25, 2024 05:32PM

sah67
For those worried about how "small time" the ECACs in LP felt, here's what the St. Louis NCAA regional (Michigan, Michigan State, North Dakota and Western Michigan) site looks like:

"The center features four rinks: a "feature" rink with 2,500 tip-up seats and a four-sided HD video scoreboard..."

And of course, placing the Western team that travels the best in this venue was a master-stroke. North Dakota fans must be so pissed.

Wish I had a ticket to sell.

Which is funnier, the NCAA holding a regional in an NHL practice facility, or an NHL team’s home arena being a college facility?
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 06:35PM

jtwcornell91
Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals?
This is actually brilliant.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 25, 2024 07:08PM

jtwcornell91
Iceberg
I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.

Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals? The Eastern sites are close enough that dedicated fans could commute between Soringfield and Providence to see all six games, but not in the West, but if they were all in one place, it might improve the attendance of both sets of games.

I think two sites, one East and one West with 8 teams each would be fun and draw well.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 07:11PM

marty
jtwcornell91
Iceberg
I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.

Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals? The Eastern sites are close enough that dedicated fans could commute between Soringfield and Providence to see all six games, but not in the West, but if they were all in one place, it might improve the attendance of both sets of games.

I think two sites, one East and one West with 8 teams each would be fun and draw well.
Possibly a problem getting four days Thursday through Sunday at right-sized arenas?

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 09:24PM

Al DeFlorio
Possibly a problem getting four days Thursday through Sunday at right-sized arenas?

Possibly, but the NC$$ could book years in advance.

Just go back to straight seeds at campus sites. Please.

32 Michigan Tech at 1 BC
21 RIT at 2 BU
14 UMass at 3 Denver
13 Western Michigan at 4 Michigan State
12 Cornell at 5 Maine
11 Omaha at 6 North Dakota
10 Michigan at 7 Minnesota
9 Quinnipiac at 8 Wisconsin

Even funnier, give the top 6 seeds to the 6 conference champions to piss everyone off.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2024 09:35PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: The Rancor (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
Date: March 25, 2024 10:08PM

Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
Possibly a problem getting four days Thursday through Sunday at right-sized arenas?

Possibly, but the NC$$ could book years in advance.

Just go back to straight seeds at campus sites. Please.

32 Michigan Tech at 1 BC
21 RIT at 2 BU
14 UMass at 3 Denver
13 Western Michigan at 4 Michigan State
12 Cornell at 5 Maine
11 Omaha at 6 North Dakota
10 Michigan at 7 Minnesota
9 Quinnipiac at 8 Wisconsin

Even funnier, give the top 6 seeds to the 6 conference champions to piss everyone off.

This is the way.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 01:59AM

You want half of the D1 teams to make the tournament? **]

25% is already high. Check some other sports. Basketball is 19%.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 02:18AM

CU77
You want half of the D1 teams to make the tournament? **]

25% is already high. Check some other sports. Basketball is 19%.
lol there are 16 teams. the 16 seed happens to be 32 in pairwise.

 
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 06:48AM

Swampy
Iceberg
I find it crazy that the committee or whoever is responsible couldn't find another site in the midwestern US. There has to be a ton of better arenas willing to do this event at a tolerable cost.

I think it has to do with who the host(s) is (are). In this case, the Midwest Regional is hosted by Lindenwood University and the St. Louis Sports Commission.

What's even more surprising is that the St. Louis Sports Commission has partnered with the University of Vermont to host the 2025 Frozen Four in St. Louis. In large part, this is because UVM has "connections to the St. Louis Blues President, and UVM alum, Chris Zimmerman."

I bet there are lots of Vermont citizens who would be shocked to learn their state university chose Missouri as the place to host a tournament.scream

I believe the st Louis coalition approached uvm, and not the other way around iirc. And I've not heard any locals talking about this up here. I don't think anyone cares.

(Current Vermont citizen living 25 minutes from campus)
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 06:50AM

Trotsky
jtwcornell91
Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals?
This is actually brilliant.

Only downsides I can imagine would be finding enough practice facilities for 8 teams plus enough hotel blocks
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: March 26, 2024 07:54AM

abmarks
Trotsky
jtwcornell91
Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals?
This is actually brilliant.

Only downsides I can imagine would be finding enough practice facilities for 8 teams plus enough hotel blocks

Good point. They used to do it with six teams (over two days) back in the 90s.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 01:03PM

jtwcornell91
abmarks
Trotsky
jtwcornell91
Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals?
This is actually brilliant.

Only downsides I can imagine would be finding enough practice facilities for 8 teams plus enough hotel blocks

Good point. They used to do it with six teams (over two days) back in the 90s.

Although they seemed to limit the locations to New England and the upper midwest (Mich, Minn, and ND).
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: pjd8 (---.sub-75-253-251.myvzw.com)
Date: March 26, 2024 03:49PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
jtwcornell91
abmarks
Trotsky
jtwcornell91
Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals?
This is actually brilliant.

Only downsides I can imagine would be finding enough practice facilities for 8 teams plus enough hotel blocks

Good point. They used to do it with six teams (over two days) back in the 90s.

Although they seemed to limit the locations to New England and the upper midwest (Mich, Minn, and ND).

Albany could handle it with Union and RPI being local. Worcester would also work, as you've got Holy Cross there and a lot of schools within 45 minutes (Providence, Brown, BC). Even UNH is only a two hour drive away. Both locations are relatively easy to get to for most eastern programs. And for western teams, flying to to Boston and getting to Worcester is probably about as easy a trip as you'll get without being in a major city.

It would restrict regionals to a few sites, but as a fan, there are advantages to cycling through a few regular places.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-209.myvzw.com)
Date: March 26, 2024 03:58PM

How many teams are even remotely close to St. Louis?
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: RichH (104.28.76.---)
Date: March 26, 2024 04:10PM

Dafatone
How many teams are even remotely close to St. Louis?

Lindenwood, which is precisely why the regional is there.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2024 04:12PM by RichH.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 04:26PM

The smaller cities and smaller arenas may be hungrier for the NCAA's business. Springfield MA is an 8,000-seat arena and Midwest regional site Centene Community Center in Maryland Heights, Missouri [first time I heard the site name I mentally placed in Maryland], I believe the largest of their four rinks is 3,500 (one is outdoors, covered). Syracuse, Binghamton and Glens Falls and have 4,000+ and could bid for NCAA hockey regionals. Or Lake Placid.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2024 04:29PM by billhoward.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: redice (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 26, 2024 04:28PM

billhoward
The smaller cities and smaller arenas may be hungrier for the NCAA's business. Springfield MA is an 8,000-seat arena and Midwest regional site Centene Community Center in Maryland Heights, Missouri [first time I heard the site name I mentally placed in Maryland], I believe the largest of their four rinks is 3,500. Syracuse, Binghamton and Glens Falls and have 4,000+ and could bid for NCAA hockey regionals. Or Lake Placid.

Don't forget Elmira... I believe their rink is approx 4K.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 26, 2024 05:03PM

On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 05:36PM

pjd8
Jeff Hopkins '82
jtwcornell91
abmarks
Trotsky
jtwcornell91
Now that they're doing the regionals on Thursday-Saturday and Friday-Sunday, couldn't one site bid to host both regionals?
This is actually brilliant.

Only downsides I can imagine would be finding enough practice facilities for 8 teams plus enough hotel blocks

Good point. They used to do it with six teams (over two days) back in the 90s.

Although they seemed to limit the locations to New England and the upper midwest (Mich, Minn, and ND).

Albany could handle it with Union and RPI being local. Worcester would also work, as you've got Holy Cross there and a lot of schools within 45 minutes (Providence, Brown, BC). Even UNH is only a two hour drive away. Both locations are relatively easy to get to for most eastern programs. And for western teams, flying to to Boston and getting to Worcester is probably about as easy a trip as you'll get without being in a major city.

It would restrict regionals to a few sites, but as a fan, there are advantages to cycling through a few regular places.

My point was that although they could pull it off in New England or the upper midwest, it would be much more difficult to expand the footprint of the tournament beyond the same few sites.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: marty (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 26, 2024 06:16PM

chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

The way I read it he was against giving teams like UMass a home advantage because they are 4 seeds. He was in favor, I think, of giving home ice advantage to hosts only if they were 1 or 2 seeds for any regional. That is, if they were in the top 8 of the total 16 field. But this argument was for the current 4 neutral sites with 16 teams in the field.

If he has other more current ideas not expressed on eLynah, I've not read those.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 06:30PM

chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

Stage 1: That's crazy.
Stage 2: That's unfair.
Stage 3: That will never work.
Stage 4: It was my idea all the time.

Adam is at about Stage 3.2
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2024 08:36AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 06:31PM

if regionals were best of 3 I bet more places would try to host it.

that would add an extra week as well to the whole thing

best of 3
best of 3
final 4
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/26/2024 06:32PM by upprdeck.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 06:50PM

upprdeck
if regionals were best of 3 I bet more places would try to host it.

that would add an extra week as well to the whole thing

best of 3
best of 3
final 4

It would also increase the conflicts with their "normal" activities.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (---.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 08:12PM

what normal activities, school?

best of 3. thur-sat. fri-sun miss no more time than bball schools will
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 09:13PM

upprdeck
what normal activities, school?

best of 3. thur-sat. fri-sun miss no more time than bball schools will

I meant the normal activities held in the arenas / training facilities.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: March 26, 2024 11:19PM

for all this talk of smaller rinks wanting regionals more, if memory serves, there's been decent to excellent ticket historically for regionals in Manchester, Providence and Worcester, all of which are well north of the 5k seat mark. Granted attendance would vary depending upon how many of the local schools are playing there, but those have to be better venue choices than 3k-5k seat rinks, and better choices than rinks the size of Albany or larger.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 27, 2024 01:02AM

chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

I'm sure there's some more context given the situation this year, but the brother Wodon will explain his reasoning in due time here as he typically does
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 27, 2024 02:12AM

Iceberg
chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

I'm sure there's some more context given the situation this year, but the brother Wodon will explain his reasoning in due time here as he typically does
The couple of times I’ve listened to the CHN podcast recently, I’ve been very impressed with how smart and eloquent the coaches who were guests on the podcast have sounded: first Carle of Denver and now Mayotte of CC.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-197-205.myvzw.com)
Date: March 27, 2024 10:37AM

abmarks
for all this talk of smaller rinks wanting regionals more, if memory serves, there's been decent to excellent ticket historically for regionals in Manchester, Providence and Worcester, all of which are well north of the 5k seat mark. Granted attendance would vary depending upon how many of the local schools are playing there, but those have to be better venue choices than 3k-5k seat rinks, and better choices than rinks the size of Albany or larger.

If attendance is low Albany doesn't use the upper deck. The facility is fine for regional play.

Women's NCAA bball is there this weekend.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 27, 2024 10:40AM

marty
abmarks
for all this talk of smaller rinks wanting regionals more, if memory serves, there's been decent to excellent ticket historically for regionals in Manchester, Providence and Worcester, all of which are well north of the 5k seat mark. Granted attendance would vary depending upon how many of the local schools are playing there, but those have to be better venue choices than 3k-5k seat rinks, and better choices than rinks the size of Albany or larger.

If attendance is low Albany doesn't use the upper deck. The facility is fine for regional play.

Women's NCAA bball is there this weekend.
Works for me, Marty.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.216-16-30.mybluepeak.net)
Date: March 27, 2024 10:23PM

chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

LOL - I've literally explained how this is not contradictory a dozen times already. I'm not in the mood to explain it again.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 27, 2024 10:57PM

adamw
chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

LOL - I've literally explained how this is not contradictory a dozen times already. I'm not in the mood to explain it again.
the podcast was the first time that I personally have heard you support teams playing at their home rinks but only as 1 or 2 seeds. If you have a link to an article or something explaining how this is better than just playing at the higher seeds all the time and doesn’t contradict what you said about the pairwise deciding home games I would love to read it, my mind really is open, just right now I don’t see how the current regional system (or the one with the reforms you mentioned) is better than just playing at the higher seed.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (65.140.5.---)
Date: March 29, 2024 11:01AM

chimpfood
adamw
chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

LOL - I've literally explained how this is not contradictory a dozen times already. I'm not in the mood to explain it again.
the podcast was the first time that I personally have heard you support teams playing at their home rinks but only as 1 or 2 seeds. If you have a link to an article or something explaining how this is better than just playing at the higher seeds all the time and doesn’t contradict what you said about the pairwise deciding home games I would love to read it, my mind really is open, just right now I don’t see how the current regional system (or the one with the reforms you mentioned) is better than just playing at the higher seed.

Feel free to have your opinion - but what I am saying is not contradictory. There are numerous differences between top 8 teams getting home games, and what I'm proposing.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 29, 2024 03:54PM

adamw
chimpfood
adamw
chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

LOL - I've literally explained how this is not contradictory a dozen times already. I'm not in the mood to explain it again.
the podcast was the first time that I personally have heard you support teams playing at their home rinks but only as 1 or 2 seeds. If you have a link to an article or something explaining how this is better than just playing at the higher seeds all the time and doesn’t contradict what you said about the pairwise deciding home games I would love to read it, my mind really is open, just right now I don’t see how the current regional system (or the one with the reforms you mentioned) is better than just playing at the higher seed.

Feel free to have your opinion - but what I am saying is not contradictory. There are numerous differences between top 8 teams getting home games, and what I'm proposing.
Explain please. The only difference that I see is that you want teams to have to pay to have a chance at a home game and with your way we still get worse attendance most of the time.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: March 29, 2024 08:31PM

chimpfood
adamw
chimpfood
adamw
chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed. To me, this makes no sense to not just do home games for the first two rounds. Firstly, it shows that he has no issue with schools hosting NCAA games in their home rink and this system doesn’t eliminate home advantage, it just only gives it to schools that are willing to pay. Also, it contradicts a point that he previously centered his argument around, that the pairwise is not good enough to decide who gets home games. And yet, in his new ideal system, only one and two seeds would be able to play in their home regional, so home games would be decided by the pairwise. It seems like all logic eventually leads to the fact that home games in the tournament are the way to go and with the points that he is making and the opinions he is sharing I’m genuinely confused why he still opposes this. I don’t think he has any malicious intent at all I am just lost on how he could be so well informed on college hockey and be making the same arguments that support the home games, yet stand against them.

LOL - I've literally explained how this is not contradictory a dozen times already. I'm not in the mood to explain it again.
the podcast was the first time that I personally have heard you support teams playing at their home rinks but only as 1 or 2 seeds. If you have a link to an article or something explaining how this is better than just playing at the higher seeds all the time and doesn’t contradict what you said about the pairwise deciding home games I would love to read it, my mind really is open, just right now I don’t see how the current regional system (or the one with the reforms you mentioned) is better than just playing at the higher seed.

Feel free to have your opinion - but what I am saying is not contradictory. There are numerous differences between top 8 teams getting home games, and what I'm proposing.
Explain please. The only difference that I see is that you want teams to have to pay to have a chance at a home game and with your way we still get worse attendance most of the time.

Well, for one thing, 4-team regionals are different from series at campus sites because you get the mix of fans coming together in a tournament atmosphere.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: March 29, 2024 10:13PM

chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed.
I don't think any school would bid to host under these conditions.

I like the lacrosse system: round 1 at higher seed, round 2 at 2 regional sites (2 games per site, same day).
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Chris '03 (104.28.39.---)
Date: March 29, 2024 10:36PM

CU77
chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed.
I don't think any school would bid to host under these conditions.

I like the lacrosse system: round 1 at higher seed, round 2 at 2 regional sites (2 games per site, same day).

That doesn't solve the host home field advantage issue though. It just changes it to a QF problem. A team could be road round one and then be the "road" team at home the next.

The issue is what is the best way to balance competing issues: attendance/atmosphere and fairness being primary.

Maybe the conferences should have to host on a rotating basis. That theoretically shares the cost and responsibilities across member schools. Guarantee the host conference that the team that wins their autobid will be there. It's important to find a way to get away from the same handful of schools hosting because they are the only ones willing or in proximity to willing arena partners.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: March 29, 2024 10:38PM

CU77
chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed.
I don't think any school would bid to host under these conditions.

If they put their mind to it, I'm sure they could come up with conditions under which schools would bid. But having conferences host in the better solution.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: March 29, 2024 11:40PM

Chris '03
CU77
chimpfood
On the CHN podcast today Adam said that he supports teams being able to host regionals in their own rinks but should only play there if they are a one or two seed.
I don't think any school would bid to host under these conditions.

I like the lacrosse system: round 1 at higher seed, round 2 at 2 regional sites (2 games per site, same day).

That doesn't solve the host home field advantage issue though. It just changes it to a QF problem. A team could be road round one and then be the "road" team at home the next.
If you win the first game, you have beaten a 1 or 2 seed (in hockey terminology) on the road, and have taken their place. If you buy that, then Adam's criterion is satisfied.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 04:34PM

Among the names in the transfer portal is UCONN’s Matthew Wood, a 1st round draftee in the 2022 NHL draft. Rumored to be looking at Minnesota/Wisconsin/NoDak. If he leaves a big loss for a Huskies program trying to gain relevance.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 05:02PM

2-0 Q just like that.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 05:02PM

After weathering BC’s pressure at the end of the 1st period, QU scores twice in 35 seconds to go up 2-0 just 2 minutes into the 2nd period. Please don’t tell me they’re going to win it again?
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 05:04PM

scoop85
After weathering BC’s pressure at the end of the 1st period, QU scores twice in 35 seconds to go up 2-0 just 2 minutes into the 2nd period. Please don’t tell me they’re going to win it again?

BC scores right away after a phantom penalty call on QU to make it 2-1. Boy did they ever need that.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 05:38PM

I would be so pissed if I was a Q fan.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 05:59PM

3-3 Q-BC after 2

 
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Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 06:01PM

Al DeFlorio
3-3 Q-BC after 2

And Q scores with 2 seconds left on their PP to go back up 4-3.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 06:02PM

For all of BC’s offensive ability, their defense is pillow soft.
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 06:27PM

This is a great game. Will the Q tournament OT magic continue?
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: March 31, 2024 06:28PM

chimpfood
This is a great game. Will the Q tournament OT magic continue?

Hope not!
 
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-231-49.myvzw.com)
Date: March 31, 2024 06:29PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
chimpfood
This is a great game. Will the Q tournament OT magic continue?

Hope not!

Screw BU, QU, too.
 
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