2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by Trotsky
2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:33AM
Be prepared!
That's the Boy Scouts' marching song
Be prepared!
As through life you march along
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell
Be prepared!
To hide that pack of cigarettes
Don't make book
If you cannot cover bets
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure that they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them when the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that they be shared
Be prepared!
(Narrator: They were prepared.)
That's the Boy Scouts' marching song
Be prepared!
As through life you march along
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell
Be prepared!
To hide that pack of cigarettes
Don't make book
If you cannot cover bets
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure that they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them when the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that they be shared
Be prepared!
(Narrator: They were prepared.)
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2020 09:49PM by Trotsky.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:38AM
Respect every opponent. Think and play one game at a time. Don't turn your mind into a spreadsheet.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: BearLover (198.232.50.---)
Date: February 28, 2020 12:33PM
Wrong. All hockey players should think and behave like an Excel spreadsheet. Get with the times or start complaining about something else.osorojo
Respect every opponent. Think and play one game at a time. Don't turn your mind into a spreadsheet.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: February 28, 2020 12:50PM
Trotsky
Be prepared!
That's the Boy Scouts' marching song
Be prepared!
As through life you march along
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell
Be prepared!
To hide that pack of cigarettes
Don't make book
If you cannot cover bets
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure that they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them when the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that they be shared
Be prepared!
Be prepared!
That's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed.
Be prepared!
And be clean in word and deed.
Don't solicit for your sister. That's not nice!
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.
Be prepared!
And be careful not to do your good deeds
when there's no-one watching you.
If you're looking for adventure of a new and different kind
And you meet up with a Girl Scout who is sim'larly inclined
Don't be nervous. Don't be flustered. Don't be scared!
Be prepared!
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 01:11PM
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: CU2007 (---.sub-174-202-16.myvzw.com)
Date: February 28, 2020 01:34PM
Swampy
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?
Probably Colgate because they seem like a reasonably competent team, while SLU is one of the worst teams in the country, not withstanding their win over Harvard. Realistically, Cornell should beat SLU even if we aren’t fully on our game (I’m not advocating for trying this)
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 01:34PM
Good question. SLU did us a huge favor in slamming Harvard but I'd say it's still more likely a trap because it's at home. You're always more on your guard when you travel.Swampy
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?
That would actually be a cool analysis: do the really huge upsets tend to happen more frequently at home?
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2020 01:36PM by Trotsky.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: nshapiro (192.148.195.---)
Date: February 28, 2020 01:42PM
I wonder how much osorojo would charge for that analysis?Trotsky
Good question. SLU did us a huge favor in slamming Harvard but I'd say it's still more likely a trap because it's at home. You're always more on your guard when you travel.Swampy
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?
That would actually be a cool analysis: do the really huge upsets tend to happen more frequently at home?
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 01:50PM
I have a hypothesis on this very topic and will gladly accept gameday tickets plus a moderate stipend to support my testing.nshapiro
I wonder how much osorojo would charge for that analysis?Trotsky
Good question. SLU did us a huge favor in slamming Harvard but I'd say it's still more likely a trap because it's at home. You're always more on your guard when you travel.Swampy
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?
That would actually be a cool analysis: do the really huge upsets tend to happen more frequently at home?
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 06:32PM
Zach Tupker in for Ben Berard
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2020 06:38PM by Trotsky.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 07:00PM
Other scores to watch tonight:
Mankato at Bemidji (8:00 ET)
Western Michigan at North Dakota (8:30 ET)
Duluth at Bemidji (9:30 ET)
BC is idle.
Mankato at Bemidji (8:00 ET)
Western Michigan at North Dakota (8:30 ET)
Duluth at Bemidji (9:30 ET)
BC is idle.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2020 09:00PM by Trotsky.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 28, 2020 07:21PM
An "upset" only occurs when someone interprets data to select a "favorite" (a good, honest word) but that someone somehow manages to screw up. In a world where data interpretation was hard science there would be no upsets and no sports fans, only data geeks.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Roy 82 (128.18.241.---)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:04PM
It's a good thing Noah Vail can't handle those passes. Otherwise there would have been a lot of breakaways.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:34PM
Congrats to Cornell, 2020 regular season champs.
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Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:34PM
colgate with the last 2nd tie.. but really colgate outplayed clarkson most of the game and really was unlucky to not get the outright win
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:37PM
also lucky not to lose after giving up a breakaway in OT but they definitely had more of the good chances in the extra periodupprdeck
colgate with the last 2nd tie.. but really colgate outplayed clarkson most of the game and really was unlucky to not get the outright win
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Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:37PM
I'm torn part of me was hoping Cornell would go into tomorrow with more than pride on the line. I'm really hoping they don't let up against a dangerous Clarkson team.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:50PM
I don't think there is any danger of letting up. The guys are still smarting from losing the final in Placid in 2019.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: French Rage (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:52PM
And we win back The Belt.
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03/23/02: Maine 4, Harvard 3
03/28/03: BU 6, Harvard 4
03/26/04: Maine 5, Harvard 4
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Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:54PM
Mankato losing 1-0 in the 3rd. North Dakota winning 2-0 in the 2nd.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:57PM
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: CU2007 (---.sub-174-202-16.myvzw.com)
Date: February 28, 2020 09:59PM
It looks like Brown - Colgate is locked in as the 8-9 series next weekend. Maybe? If so, pretty decent chance we’ll play the winner
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 10:06PM
As of now, SLU would play Harvard.CU2007
It looks like Brown - Colgate is locked in as the 8-9 series next weekend. Maybe? If so, pretty decent chance we’ll play the winner
Just sayin'.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 10:09PM
Bemidji now up 2-0 on Mankato.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: ice (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 10:11PM
Trotsky
I don't think there is any danger of letting up. The guys are still smarting from losing the final in Placid in 2019.
They got ripped off. One of the worst missed calls I have ever seen.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2020 10:13PM by ice.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 28, 2020 10:45PM
Mankato lost and the bald naked guy who stole the ambulance in Philly has been caught. These are not related facts, at least at this point.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Swampy (184.170.253.---)
Date: February 29, 2020 01:51AM
osorojo
An "upset" only occurs when someone interprets data to select a "favorite" (a good, honest word) but that someone somehow manages to screw up. In a world where data interpretation was hard science there would be no upsets and no sports fans, only data geeks.
You’re mistaking “hard science” for science without uncertainty or fallibility. There’s no such thing. In fact, it’s probably a contradiction in terms. (But I can’t be certain.)
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: ice (---.pennnet.nat.upenn.edu)
Date: February 29, 2020 03:27AM
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 29, 2020 09:09AM
you're mistaking "typing bullshit" for engaging in a discussion. you don't have to respond. I thought we were doing pretty well letting that turd just sit there.Swampy
osorojo
An "upset" only occurs when someone interprets data to select a "favorite" (a good, honest word) but that someone somehow manages to screw up. In a world where data interpretation was hard science there would be no upsets and no sports fans, only data geeks.
You’re mistaking “hard science” for science without uncertainty or fallibility. There’s no such thing. In fact, it’s probably a contradiction in terms. (But I can’t be certain.)
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Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 29, 2020 09:11AM
you're in my seats from 1990-91.
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Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 09:24AM
CBR: #1 Men's Hockey Routs SLU, Clinches 3rd Straight Cleary Cup
Sun:No. 1 Men’s Hockey Clinches 3rd Straight Cleary Cup With Shutout Win Over St. Lawrence
SLU: Saints Shut Out at No. 1 Cornell
CHN: Roundup: Cornell Clinches Third Straight ECAC Title
USCHO: Not much on us, but for what it's worth, Friday hockey roundup: Two late goals dramatically propel UConn past No. 8 UMass, 3-2
Sun:No. 1 Men’s Hockey Clinches 3rd Straight Cleary Cup With Shutout Win Over St. Lawrence
SLU: Saints Shut Out at No. 1 Cornell
CHN: Roundup: Cornell Clinches Third Straight ECAC Title
USCHO: Not much on us, but for what it's worth, Friday hockey roundup: Two late goals dramatically propel UConn past No. 8 UMass, 3-2
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Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 10:10AM
Bottom line: Past performance is not a reliable predictor of future sports events, and 25 pages of past performance charts are no more reliable a predictor of future sports events than ten pages - and may even be less reliable. GO RED!
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 29, 2020 10:30AM
So you are saying that all the time spent on DRF PP to figure out the horses is time wasted and guessing by lucky numbers and pretty colors and horses names would be better use of my time?
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 11:57AM
upprdeck
So you are saying that all the time spent on DRF PP to figure out the horses is time wasted and guessing by lucky numbers and pretty colors and horses names would be better use of my time?
Anything would be a better use of your time than playing the ponies.
My dad was addicted (as a hobby not as a method to attempt remuneration) and when my brother showed a bit of interest in his late 20's my dad advised, " Don't!!"
Great father of mine.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Tom Lento (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: February 29, 2020 12:13PM
Nice, thanks for sharing!
From that angle you really get an appreciation for how good Cornell is along the boards. Granted SLU is a weaker team but the Cornell forwards are consistently in better position and moving the puck out with control even under pressure.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 01:17PM
Nope. I am saying that the guys who run horse tracks and make the odds and the money don't assemble mountains of data about past horse races, then study, re-arrange, and invent probabilities from the data in order to determine the odds. That's for the suckers who keep racetracks in business.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: redice (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 01:24PM
upprdeck
So you are saying that all the time spent on DRF PP to figure out the horses is time wasted and guessing by lucky numbers and pretty colors and horses names would be better use of my time?
If that's what he's saying, he's right!! I recall going to the track with my first wife. After studying everything available, I did poorly. OTOH, my wife bet according the the appearance of the horse and the horse's name. Yes, she did much better than I. From that point on, I used her method, saved a lot of time, had a lot more fun, and did much better!! Go figure!!
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Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 29, 2020 01:25PM
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: French Rage (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: February 29, 2020 01:43PM
People who sets the odds for horseraces aren't going for perfect predictions, though. They're going for what will cause a distribution of bets that make the most money for the house.
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Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 29, 2020 02:24PM
US odds are not at all on horse racing at whats best for the house.. it has zero to do with it.
Thats different than normal gambling which is trying to create a margin for profit.
Betting on horse is for smart people and the facts support it.
betting on everything else is for people who will most of the time go broke over the long run.
You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system
Thats different than normal gambling which is trying to create a margin for profit.
Betting on horse is for smart people and the facts support it.
betting on everything else is for people who will most of the time go broke over the long run.
You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: RichH (185.212.170.---)
Date: February 29, 2020 02:31PM
upprdeck
US odds are not at all on horse racing at whats best for the house.. it has zero to do with it.
Thats different than normal gambling which is trying to create a margin for profit.
Betting on horse is for smart people and the facts support it.
betting on everything else is for people who will most of the time go broke over the long run.
You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system
Here is an interesting article about this and the topic of the trial/error development and success of algorithms that will be sure to drive some people batty:
[www.bloomberg.com]
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 03:39PM
People who bet on their analysis of past horse races, even those people who collect, organize and analyze gigabytes of horse history, these are the people who keep the tracks open, pay the staff, and keep the stables clean. If college hockey were to allow and oversee scientific, data based systems of betting on games then college hockey would not only be self-supporting but turn a profit.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: redice (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 03:39PM
upprdeck
US odds are not at all on horse racing at whats best for the house.. it has zero to do with it.
Thats different than normal gambling which is trying to create a margin for profit.
Betting on horse is for smart people and the facts support it.
betting on everything else is for people who will most of the time go broke over the long run.
You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system
And those "facts" are?
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 29, 2020 04:40PM
This should be true of any market with a large number ofupprdeck
You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system
Personally I'd never go near gambling because the idea of risking my security (something of paramount value) for more money than I already have (something of little value) would be monumentally stupid. But others having different weighting coefficients and/or different ways of getting their rocks off.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 29, 2020 04:41PM
there is no guaranteed profit in the stock market. there is on the Horses.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 04:53PM
upprdeck
there is no guaranteed profit in the stock market. there is on the Horses.
Zero sum fallacy...
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 29, 2020 06:55PM
Not sure if osorojo is completely oblivious to the fact every successful sports team spends tens of millions of dollars every year on analytics. I tried to convey this to him gently a few weeks ago and he responded with his usual Nerds Suck shtick. I won't be responding from now on.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 29, 2020 09:47PM
"every sports teams tens of millions"? Nah. And they don't analyze the numbers. They analyze the actions.The difference is significant.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 29, 2020 09:51PM
This link will be the last thing I feed the troll: [www.espn.com]osorojo
"every sports teams tens of millions"? Nah. And they don't analyze the numbers. They analyze the actions.The difference is significant.
Re: 2020-02-28: Cornell vs St. Lawrence
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 29, 2020 10:24PM
marty
upprdeck
there is no guaranteed profit in the stock market. there is on the Horses.
Zero sum fallacy...
not sure what that means?
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