2020-02-28: Cornell 5 St. Lawrence 0

Be prepared!
That's the Boy Scouts' marching song
Be prepared!
As through life you march along
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell

Be prepared!
To hide that pack of cigarettes
Don't make book
If you cannot cover bets
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure that they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them when the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that they be shared

Be prepared!

(Narrator: They were prepared.)

Respect every opponent. Think and play one game at a time. Don't turn your mind into a spreadsheet.

osorojo
Respect every opponent. Think and play one game at a time. Don't turn your mind into a spreadsheet.

Wrong. All hockey players should think and behave like an Excel spreadsheet. Get with the times or start complaining about something else.

Trotsky
Be prepared!
That's the Boy Scouts' marching song
Be prepared!
As through life you march along
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell

Be prepared!
To hide that pack of cigarettes
Don't make book
If you cannot cover bets
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure that they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them when the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that they be shared

Be prepared!

Be prepared!
That's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed.
Be prepared!
And be clean in word and deed.
Don't solicit for your sister. That's not nice!
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.

Be prepared!
And be careful not to do your good deeds
when there's no-one watching you.

If you're looking for adventure of a new and different kind
And you meet up with a Girl Scout who is sim'larly inclined

Don't be nervous. Don't be flustered. Don't be scared!

Be prepared!

Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?

Swampy
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?

Probably Colgate because they seem like a reasonably competent team, while SLU is one of the worst teams in the country, not withstanding their win over Harvard. Realistically, Cornell should beat SLU even if we aren’t fully on our game (I’m not advocating for trying this)

Swampy
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?

Good question. SLU did us a huge favor in slamming Harvard but I'd say it's still more likely a trap because it's at home. You're always more on your guard when you travel.

That would actually be a cool analysis: do the really huge upsets tend to happen more frequently at home?

Trotsky

Swampy
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?

Good question. SLU did us a huge favor in slamming Harvard but I'd say it's still more likely a trap because it's at home. You're always more on your guard when you travel.

That would actually be a cool analysis: do the really huge upsets tend to happen more frequently at home?

I wonder how much osorojo would charge for that analysis?

nshapiro

Trotsky

Swampy
Which is the bigger trap game: CU vs SLU or CLK vs COL?

Good question. SLU did us a huge favor in slamming Harvard but I'd say it's still more likely a trap because it's at home. You're always more on your guard when you travel.

That would actually be a cool analysis: do the really huge upsets tend to happen more frequently at home?

I wonder how much osorojo would charge for that analysis?

I have a hypothesis on this very topic and will gladly accept gameday tickets plus a moderate stipend to support my testing.

Zach Tupker in for Ben Berard

Other scores to watch tonight:

Mankato at Bemidji (8:00 ET)
Western Michigan at North Dakota (8:30 ET)
Duluth at Bemidji (9:30 ET)

BC is idle.

An "upset" only occurs when someone interprets data to select a "favorite" (a good, honest word) but that someone somehow manages to screw up. In a world where data interpretation was hard science there would be no upsets and no sports fans, only data geeks.

It's a good thing Noah Vail can't handle those passes. Otherwise there would have been a lot of breakaways.

Congrats to Cornell, 2020 regular season champs.

colgate with the last 2nd tie.. but really colgate outplayed clarkson most of the game and really was unlucky to not get the outright win

upprdeck
colgate with the last 2nd tie.. but really colgate outplayed clarkson most of the game and really was unlucky to not get the outright win

also lucky not to lose after giving up a breakaway in OT but they definitely had more of the good chances in the extra period

I'm torn part of me was hoping Cornell would go into tomorrow with more than pride on the line. I'm really hoping they don't let up against a dangerous Clarkson team.

I don't think there is any danger of letting up. The guys are still smarting from losing the final in Placid in 2019.

And we win back The Belt.

Mankato losing 1-0 in the 3rd. North Dakota winning 2-0 in the 2nd.

ugarte
Congrats to Cornell, 2020 regular season champs.

[www.tbrw.info]

It looks like Brown - Colgate is locked in as the 8-9 series next weekend. Maybe? If so, pretty decent chance we’ll play the winner

CU2007
It looks like Brown - Colgate is locked in as the 8-9 series next weekend. Maybe? If so, pretty decent chance we’ll play the winner

As of now, SLU would play Harvard.

Just sayin'.

Bemidji now up 2-0 on Mankato.

Trotsky
I don't think there is any danger of letting up. The guys are still smarting from losing the final in Placid in 2019.

They got ripped off. One of the worst missed calls I have ever seen.

Mankato lost and the bald naked guy who stole the ambulance in Philly has been caught. These are not related facts, at least at this point.

osorojo
An "upset" only occurs when someone interprets data to select a "favorite" (a good, honest word) but that someone somehow manages to screw up. In a world where data interpretation was hard science there would be no upsets and no sports fans, only data geeks.

You’re mistaking “hard science” for science without uncertainty or fallibility. There’s no such thing. In fact, it’s probably a contradiction in terms. (But I can’t be certain.)

Some video 2/28/20

Swampy

osorojo
An "upset" only occurs when someone interprets data to select a "favorite" (a good, honest word) but that someone somehow manages to screw up. In a world where data interpretation was hard science there would be no upsets and no sports fans, only data geeks.

You’re mistaking “hard science” for science without uncertainty or fallibility. There’s no such thing. In fact, it’s probably a contradiction in terms. (But I can’t be certain.)

you're mistaking "typing bullshit" for engaging in a discussion. you don't have to respond. I thought we were doing pretty well letting that turd just sit there.

ice
Some video 2/28/20

you're in my seats from 1990-91.

CBR: #1 Men's Hockey Routs SLU, Clinches 3rd Straight Cleary Cup

Sun:No. 1 Men’s Hockey Clinches 3rd Straight Cleary Cup With Shutout Win Over St. Lawrence

SLU: Saints Shut Out at No. 1 Cornell

CHN: Roundup: Cornell Clinches Third Straight ECAC Title

USCHO: Not much on us, but for what it's worth, Friday hockey roundup: Two late goals dramatically propel UConn past No. 8 UMass, 3-2

Bottom line: Past performance is not a reliable predictor of future sports events, and 25 pages of past performance charts are no more reliable a predictor of future sports events than ten pages - and may even be less reliable. GO RED!

So you are saying that all the time spent on DRF PP to figure out the horses is time wasted and guessing by lucky numbers and pretty colors and horses names would be better use of my time?

upprdeck
So you are saying that all the time spent on DRF PP to figure out the horses is time wasted and guessing by lucky numbers and pretty colors and horses names would be better use of my time?

Anything would be a better use of your time than playing the ponies.

My dad was addicted (as a hobby not as a method to attempt remuneration) and when my brother showed a bit of interest in his late 20's my dad advised, " Don't!!"

Great father of mine.

ice
Some video 2/28/20

Nice, thanks for sharing!

From that angle you really get an appreciation for how good Cornell is along the boards. Granted SLU is a weaker team but the Cornell forwards are consistently in better position and moving the puck out with control even under pressure.

Nope. I am saying that the guys who run horse tracks and make the odds and the money don't assemble mountains of data about past horse races, then study, re-arrange, and invent probabilities from the data in order to determine the odds. That's for the suckers who keep racetracks in business.

upprdeck
So you are saying that all the time spent on DRF PP to figure out the horses is time wasted and guessing by lucky numbers and pretty colors and horses names would be better use of my time?

If that's what he's saying, he's right!! I recall going to the track with my first wife. After studying everything available, I did poorly. OTOH, my wife bet according the the appearance of the horse and the horse's name. Yes, she did much better than I. From that point on, I used her method, saved a lot of time, had a lot more fun, and did much better!! Go figure!!

[www.youtube.com]

People who sets the odds for horseraces aren't going for perfect predictions, though. They're going for what will cause a distribution of bets that make the most money for the house.

US odds are not at all on horse racing at whats best for the house.. it has zero to do with it.

Thats different than normal gambling which is trying to create a margin for profit.

Betting on horse is for smart people and the facts support it.

betting on everything else is for people who will most of the time go broke over the long run.

You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system

upprdeck
US odds are not at all on horse racing at whats best for the house.. it has zero to do with it.

Thats different than normal gambling which is trying to create a margin for profit.

Betting on horse is for smart people and the facts support it.

betting on everything else is for people who will most of the time go broke over the long run.

You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system

Here is an interesting article about this and the topic of the trial/error development and success of algorithms that will be sure to drive some people batty:

[www.bloomberg.com]

People who bet on their analysis of past horse races, even those people who collect, organize and analyze gigabytes of horse history, these are the people who keep the tracks open, pay the staff, and keep the stables clean. If college hockey were to allow and oversee scientific, data based systems of betting on games then college hockey would not only be self-supporting but turn a profit.

upprdeck
US odds are not at all on horse racing at whats best for the house.. it has zero to do with it.

Thats different than normal gambling which is trying to create a margin for profit.

Betting on horse is for smart people and the facts support it.

betting on everything else is for people who will most of the time go broke over the long run.

You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system

And those "facts" are?

upprdeck
You can beat the Horses cause you are beating other people not the system

This should be true of any market with a large number of suckers participants and a low cost of entry. The stock market is another example.

Personally I'd never go near gambling because the idea of risking my security (something of paramount value) for more money than I already have (something of little value) would be monumentally stupid. But others having different weighting coefficients and/or different ways of getting their rocks off.

there is no guaranteed profit in the stock market. there is on the Horses.

upprdeck
there is no guaranteed profit in the stock market. there is on the Horses.

Zero sum fallacy...

Not sure if osorojo is completely oblivious to the fact every successful sports team spends tens of millions of dollars every year on analytics. I tried to convey this to him gently a few weeks ago and he responded with his usual Nerds Suck shtick. I won't be responding from now on.

"every sports teams tens of millions"? Nah. And they don't analyze the numbers. They analyze the actions.The difference is significant.

osorojo
"every sports teams tens of millions"? Nah. And they don't analyze the numbers. They analyze the actions.The difference is significant.

This link will be the last thing I feed the troll: [www.espn.com]

marty

upprdeck
there is no guaranteed profit in the stock market. there is on the Horses.

Zero sum fallacy...

not sure what that means?