Other ECAC Results

Here's how the ECAC is doing so far in the critical OOC games and holiday tournaments:

The Good:
Princeton swept MSU-M and UNO
QU beat Merrimack and Air Force to win the UConn tourney
Yale beat MSU-M
Dartmouth swept Bemidji and Army
Colgate beat Maine

The bad:
UNO beat Yale

The ugly:
Harvard... (now lost 5 straight by a margin of 29-8 and haven't won since 11/15)

Through 12/31, so far so good:
ECAC vs. WCHA: 3-0
ECAC vs. CCHA: 1-2
ECAC vs. HEA: 2-0
ECAC vs. AHA: 2-0
ECAC vs. CHA: 1-1

Ongoing:
RPI @ Denver Cup- L vs BU, vs. L v DU
Clarkson at Ohio Classic- W vs. MU, L v OSU
Colgate & SLU at Catamount Cup, L vs UVM(2) and T/W vs. FSU
Union at Shillelagh Tourney, L @ ND, W vs UML
Brown at Minnie tourney, L @ UM, T vs WMU

Thanks for the post.

To build on what I started, here's a summary of ECAC performance this holiday season (roughly defined as mid december through last weekend). Here's how the conference did during winter break tournaments and other NC games:

Sorted by current conference winning % (number in parenthesis is opponent's current standing by win % in their own conference):

#1 Cornell (2-0): W vs. SCSU(8), W @ UMass(6)
#2 Princeton (2-0): W vs. UNO (3), W vs. MSU-M(7)
#3 Dartmouth (2-0): W vs. Army(8), W vs. Bemidji(2)
#4 Yale (2-1): L vs. UNO(3), W vs. MSU-M(7), W vs. AFA(1)
#5 Quinnipiac (2-0): W vs. Merrimack(9), W vs. AFA(1)
#6 Harvard (0-2): L vs. LSSU(8), L vs. AH(4)
#7 Union (2-3): W vs. AIC(10), L @ UMO(6)(twice), L @ Notre Dame(1), W vs. UML(8)
#8 SLU (2-1): W vs. UVM(2), W vs. FSU(7), L @ UVM(2)
#9 Colgate (2-1-1): W. vs UMO(6), L @UVM(2), T vs. FSU(7), W vs. LSSU(8)
#10 RPI (0-4): L @ Miami(1)(twice), L vs. BU(3), L vs. HC (7)
#11 Brown (0-2-1): L vs. PC(10), L @ Minnie(1), T vs. WMU(10)
#12 Clarkson (1-3): L @ BGSU (2), W vs. Miami(1), L vs. OSU(6)

17-17-2 for the conference:
3-1-0 vs. WCHA
4-8-2 vs. CCHA
5-6-0 vs. HEA
1-1-0 vs. CHA
4-1-0 vs. AHA

The results are mixed, but it seems like a stronger showing than we're accustomed to this time of year (no thanks to a certain school in cambridge).

For the season the numbers are:
12-6-1 vs. AHA
4-11-2 vs. CCHA
5-3-0 vs. CHA
12-15-0 vs. HEA
4-6-2 vs. WCHA
37-41-5 overall

Thanks for putting that summary together - nice work!

Chris '03

For the season the numbers are:
12-6-1 vs. AHA
4-11-2 vs. CCHA
5-3-0 vs. CHA
12-15-0 vs. HEA
4-6-2 vs. WCHA
37-41-5 overall

It's worth noting of course that the overall numbers are deceptive because of the disparity in OOC games played. Consider:
#1 Cornell: Four games played OOC (3-1)
#2 Princeton: Four games played OOC (3-1)
#3 Dartmouth: Five (3-2)
#4 Yale: Six (4-2)
#5 Quinnipiac: Six (5-1)
#6 Harvard: Five (0-5)
#7 Union: Nine (5-4)
#8 SLU: Ten (6-4)
#9 Colgate: Eight (4-3-1):
#10 RPI: Eleven (1-10)
#11 Brown: Four (0-3-1)
#12 Clarkson: Ten(2-6-2)

Top half of the league has played 30 OOC games (18-12). Bottom half has played 52 (18-30-4).

ETA- My numbers don't totally add up to the USCHO season total's but the point is the same even if I don't try to find the game(s) I missed.

Chris '03

Chris '03

For the season the numbers are:
12-6-1 vs. AHA
4-11-2 vs. CCHA
5-3-0 vs. CHA
12-15-0 vs. HEA
4-6-2 vs. WCHA
37-41-5 overall

It's worth noting of course that the overall numbers are deceptive because of the disparity in OOC games played. Consider:
#1 Cornell: Four games played OOC (3-1)
#2 Princeton: Four games played OOC (3-1)
#3 Dartmouth: Five (3-2)
#4 Yale: Six (4-2)
#5 Quinnipiac: Six (5-1)
#6 Harvard: Five (0-5)
#7 Union: Nine (5-4)
#8 SLU: Ten (6-4)
#9 Colgate: Eight (4-3-1):
#10 RPI: Eleven (1-10)
#11 Brown: Four (0-3-1)
#12 Clarkson: Ten(2-6-2)

Top half of the league has played 30 OOC games (18-12). Bottom half has played 52 (18-30-4).

ETA- My numbers don't totally add up to the USCHO season total's but the point is the same even if I don't try to find the game(s) I missed.

On first glance, without actually looking into it, perhaps the discrepancy has to do with non-conference games played in amount teams in the conference, such as our tie with Colgate in Estero? I'm not sure how many other non-conference games have been played among ECAC teams, but I'd suspect there's a few.

Ronald '09
On first glance, without actually looking into it, perhaps the discrepancy has to do with non-conference games played in amount teams in the conference, such as our tie with Colgate in Estero? I'm not sure how many other non-conference games have been played among ECAC teams, but I'd suspect there's a few.

Maybe, but I think the difference has a lot more to do with the fact that the top half of the division has five Ivies. The non-Ivies play more games (32 vs. 29 for three extra non-confs) and also are eligible for some of the early exempted games.

Good point.
This also highlights the importance of the remaining games against Harvard, RPI and Clarkson are, since losses to them will hurt a lot of PWR common opponent comparisons.

KeithK

Ronald '09
On first glance, without actually looking into it, perhaps the discrepancy has to do with non-conference games played in amount teams in the conference, such as our tie with Colgate in Estero? I'm not sure how many other non-conference games have been played among ECAC teams, but I'd suspect there's a few.

Maybe, but I think the difference has a lot more to do with the fact that the top half of the division has five Ivies. The non-Ivies play more games (32 vs. 29 for three extra non-confs) and also are eligible for some of the early exempted games.

The non-Ivies can play 34 games, however most or all play extra games against other non-Ivy ECAC schools. If they play exempt games, they can play up to 36. E.g., RPI can play 36 next season because they are playing 2 exempt games in Alaska, although I am only aware of 35 at the moment.

KeithK

Ronald '09
On first glance, without actually looking into it, perhaps the discrepancy has to do with non-conference games played in amount teams in the conference, such as our tie with Colgate in Estero? I'm not sure how many other non-conference games have been played among ECAC teams, but I'd suspect there's a few.

Maybe, but I think the difference has a lot more to do with the fact that the top half of the division has five Ivies. The non-Ivies play more games (32 vs. 29 for three extra non-confs) and also are eligible for some of the early exempted games.

The Ivies has a lot more to do with it than intra-ecac "non-conference" games, of which there are many, including between two Ivy teams. The non-ivies have 10+ NC games to fill out their schedule with, more than most other teams around so it's understandable why Clarkson and SLU play four times this year.

Nathan Chicowdy 92
Good point.
This also highlights the importance of the remaining games against Harvard, RPI and Clarkson are, since losses to them will hurt a lot of PWR common opponent comparisons.

I was playing with that the other day. Of the top 10 teams in the PWR, 4 of them have played RPI (BU, Northeeatern, UVM and Miami). Harvard plays BU & BC, and Dartmouth plays NU and BC. Minny played Brown, Notre Dame played Union, and Miami played Union. But I don't believe we can lose the comparison with Miami unless we lose some games to Colgate in the playoffs, and as long as we don't meet lose a game to RPI or Clarkson in in the ECAC tourney, we've locked up the point versus Denver.

Speaking of PWR, the last four teams (and six of eight!) in the RPI t-25 are all WCHA teams. Whose right under the TUC bubble? Familiar friends: Yale, SLU, UMass, Colgate are 26-29. Niagara is 31. There could be some interesting flipping of comparisons as some of these teams flip back and forth with the teams on the other side of the TUC bubble.

Edit (9:45pm): Yale's win over Dartmouth has moved them to 22 and bumbed NoDak to 26, making Cornell's one loss (at least for now) no longer a TUC loss.

Saturday: RPI 5 PU 1

ursusminor
Saturday: RPI 5 PU 1

Guess the Tigers were looking ahead to finals.

Or Kalemba's been shaky and they have no depth in net.

Scersk '97
Or Kalemba's been shaky and they have no depth in net.

Kalemba didn't play in this game, but the second part of your assessment is still accurate.

After 2:

Yale 5 Harvard 1 (yay? boo?)
Darmouth 5 Brom 1

In 2nd:

Union 3 Quinnipiac 2
SLU 4 Clarkson 0 (tough year for the Ka-niggets)

Which was my point. Kalemba's been so shaky, it seems, that Gadowsky wanted to look at another goalie. The RPI game looked like a good game in which to get that look... I mean, it's only RPI, right?

Makes you wonder whether Kalemba's playing hurt. I realize that goalies are a different breed, but such a radical drop in performance points to something being wrong.

Jeff Hopkins '82
Makes you wonder whether Kalemba's playing hurt. I realize that goalies are a different breed, but such a radical drop in performance points to something being wrong.

Perhaps the league has "solved" him.