Other ECAC Results
Posted by Chris '03
Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.phil.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 30, 2008 09:31PM
Here's how the ECAC is doing so far in the critical OOC games and holiday tournaments:
The Good:
Princeton swept MSU-M and UNO
QU beat Merrimack and Air Force to win the UConn tourney
Yale beat MSU-M
Dartmouth swept Bemidji and Army
Colgate beat Maine
The bad:
UNO beat Yale
The ugly:
Harvard... (now lost 5 straight by a margin of 29-8 and haven't won since 11/15)
Through 12/31, so far so good:
ECAC vs. WCHA: 3-0
ECAC vs. CCHA: 1-2
ECAC vs. HEA: 2-0
ECAC vs. AHA: 2-0
ECAC vs. CHA: 1-1
Ongoing:
RPI @ Denver Cup- L vs BU, vs. L v DU
Clarkson at Ohio Classic- W vs. MU, L v OSU
Colgate & SLU at Catamount Cup, L vs UVM(2) and T/W vs. FSU
Union at Shillelagh Tourney, L @ ND, W vs UML
Brown at Minnie tourney, L @ UM, T vs WMU
The Good:
Princeton swept MSU-M and UNO
QU beat Merrimack and Air Force to win the UConn tourney
Yale beat MSU-M
Dartmouth swept Bemidji and Army
Colgate beat Maine
The bad:
UNO beat Yale
The ugly:
Harvard... (now lost 5 straight by a margin of 29-8 and haven't won since 11/15)
Through 12/31, so far so good:
ECAC vs. WCHA: 3-0
ECAC vs. CCHA: 1-2
ECAC vs. HEA: 2-0
ECAC vs. AHA: 2-0
ECAC vs. CHA: 1-1
Ongoing:
RPI @ Denver Cup- L vs BU, vs. L v DU
Clarkson at Ohio Classic- W vs. MU, L v OSU
Colgate & SLU at Catamount Cup, L vs UVM(2) and T/W vs. FSU
Union at Shillelagh Tourney, L @ ND, W vs UML
Brown at Minnie tourney, L @ UM, T vs WMU
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2009 01:29PM by Chris '03.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 30, 2008 09:46PM
Thanks for the post.
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Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: January 09, 2009 01:26PM
To build on what I started, here's a summary of ECAC performance this holiday season (roughly defined as mid december through last weekend). Here's how the conference did during winter break tournaments and other NC games:
Sorted by current conference winning % (number in parenthesis is opponent's current standing by win % in their own conference):
#1 Cornell (2-0): W vs. SCSU(8), W @ UMass(6)
#2 Princeton (2-0): W vs. UNO (3), W vs. MSU-M(7)
#3 Dartmouth (2-0): W vs. Army(8), W vs. Bemidji(2)
#4 Yale (2-1): L vs. UNO(3), W vs. MSU-M(7), W vs. AFA(1)
#5 Quinnipiac (2-0): W vs. Merrimack(9), W vs. AFA(1)
#6 Harvard (0-2): L vs. LSSU(8), L vs. AH(4)
#7 Union (2-3): W vs. AIC(10), L @ UMO(6)(twice), L @ Notre Dame(1), W vs. UML(8)
#8 SLU (2-1): W vs. UVM(2), W vs. FSU(7), L @ UVM(2)
#9 Colgate (2-1-1): W. vs UMO(6), L @UVM(2), T vs. FSU(7), W vs. LSSU(8)
#10 RPI (0-4): L @ Miami(1)(twice), L vs. BU(3), L vs. HC (7)
#11 Brown (0-2-1): L vs. PC(10), L @ Minnie(1), T vs. WMU(10)
#12 Clarkson (1-3): L @ BGSU (2), W vs. Miami(1), L vs. OSU(6)
17-17-2 for the conference:
3-1-0 vs. WCHA
4-8-2 vs. CCHA
5-6-0 vs. HEA
1-1-0 vs. CHA
4-1-0 vs. AHA
The results are mixed, but it seems like a stronger showing than we're accustomed to this time of year (no thanks to a certain school in cambridge).
For the season the numbers are:
12-6-1 vs. AHA
4-11-2 vs. CCHA
5-3-0 vs. CHA
12-15-0 vs. HEA
4-6-2 vs. WCHA
37-41-5 overall
Sorted by current conference winning % (number in parenthesis is opponent's current standing by win % in their own conference):
#1 Cornell (2-0): W vs. SCSU(8), W @ UMass(6)
#2 Princeton (2-0): W vs. UNO (3), W vs. MSU-M(7)
#3 Dartmouth (2-0): W vs. Army(8), W vs. Bemidji(2)
#4 Yale (2-1): L vs. UNO(3), W vs. MSU-M(7), W vs. AFA(1)
#5 Quinnipiac (2-0): W vs. Merrimack(9), W vs. AFA(1)
#6 Harvard (0-2): L vs. LSSU(8), L vs. AH(4)
#7 Union (2-3): W vs. AIC(10), L @ UMO(6)(twice), L @ Notre Dame(1), W vs. UML(8)
#8 SLU (2-1): W vs. UVM(2), W vs. FSU(7), L @ UVM(2)
#9 Colgate (2-1-1): W. vs UMO(6), L @UVM(2), T vs. FSU(7), W vs. LSSU(8)
#10 RPI (0-4): L @ Miami(1)(twice), L vs. BU(3), L vs. HC (7)
#11 Brown (0-2-1): L vs. PC(10), L @ Minnie(1), T vs. WMU(10)
#12 Clarkson (1-3): L @ BGSU (2), W vs. Miami(1), L vs. OSU(6)
17-17-2 for the conference:
3-1-0 vs. WCHA
4-8-2 vs. CCHA
5-6-0 vs. HEA
1-1-0 vs. CHA
4-1-0 vs. AHA
The results are mixed, but it seems like a stronger showing than we're accustomed to this time of year (no thanks to a certain school in cambridge).
For the season the numbers are:
12-6-1 vs. AHA
4-11-2 vs. CCHA
5-3-0 vs. CHA
12-15-0 vs. HEA
4-6-2 vs. WCHA
37-41-5 overall
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Robb (---.tx.res.rr.com)
Date: January 09, 2009 01:59PM
Thanks for putting that summary together - nice work!
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: January 09, 2009 02:39PM
Chris '03
For the season the numbers are:
12-6-1 vs. AHA
4-11-2 vs. CCHA
5-3-0 vs. CHA
12-15-0 vs. HEA
4-6-2 vs. WCHA
37-41-5 overall
It's worth noting of course that the overall numbers are deceptive because of the disparity in OOC games played. Consider:
#1 Cornell: Four games played OOC (3-1)
#2 Princeton: Four games played OOC (3-1)
#3 Dartmouth: Five (3-2)
#4 Yale: Six (4-2)
#5 Quinnipiac: Six (5-1)
#6 Harvard: Five (0-5)
#7 Union: Nine (5-4)
#8 SLU: Ten (6-4)
#9 Colgate: Eight (4-3-1):
#10 RPI: Eleven (1-10)
#11 Brown: Four (0-3-1)
#12 Clarkson: Ten(2-6-2)
Top half of the league has played 30 OOC games (18-12). Bottom half has played 52 (18-30-4).
ETA- My numbers don't totally add up to the USCHO season total's but the point is the same even if I don't try to find the game(s) I missed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2009 02:42PM by Chris '03.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Ronald '09 (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 09, 2009 02:51PM
Chris '03Chris '03
For the season the numbers are:
12-6-1 vs. AHA
4-11-2 vs. CCHA
5-3-0 vs. CHA
12-15-0 vs. HEA
4-6-2 vs. WCHA
37-41-5 overall
It's worth noting of course that the overall numbers are deceptive because of the disparity in OOC games played. Consider:
#1 Cornell: Four games played OOC (3-1)
#2 Princeton: Four games played OOC (3-1)
#3 Dartmouth: Five (3-2)
#4 Yale: Six (4-2)
#5 Quinnipiac: Six (5-1)
#6 Harvard: Five (0-5)
#7 Union: Nine (5-4)
#8 SLU: Ten (6-4)
#9 Colgate: Eight (4-3-1):
#10 RPI: Eleven (1-10)
#11 Brown: Four (0-3-1)
#12 Clarkson: Ten(2-6-2)
Top half of the league has played 30 OOC games (18-12). Bottom half has played 52 (18-30-4).
ETA- My numbers don't totally add up to the USCHO season total's but the point is the same even if I don't try to find the game(s) I missed.
On first glance, without actually looking into it, perhaps the discrepancy has to do with non-conference games played in amount teams in the conference, such as our tie with Colgate in Estero? I'm not sure how many other non-conference games have been played among ECAC teams, but I'd suspect there's a few.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
Date: January 09, 2009 03:08PM
Maybe, but I think the difference has a lot more to do with the fact that the top half of the division has five Ivies. The non-Ivies play more games (32 vs. 29 for three extra non-confs) and also are eligible for some of the early exempted games.Ronald '09
On first glance, without actually looking into it, perhaps the discrepancy has to do with non-conference games played in amount teams in the conference, such as our tie with Colgate in Estero? I'm not sure how many other non-conference games have been played among ECAC teams, but I'd suspect there's a few.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Nathan Chicowdy 92 (66.28.239.---)
Date: January 09, 2009 03:34PM
Good point.
This also highlights the importance of the remaining games against Harvard, RPI and Clarkson are, since losses to them will hurt a lot of PWR common opponent comparisons.
This also highlights the importance of the remaining games against Harvard, RPI and Clarkson are, since losses to them will hurt a lot of PWR common opponent comparisons.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2009 04:18PM
The non-Ivies can play 34 games, however most or all play extra games against other non-Ivy ECAC schools. If they play exempt games, they can play up to 36. E.g., RPI can play 36 next season because they are playing 2 exempt games in Alaska, although I am only aware of 35 at the moment.KeithKMaybe, but I think the difference has a lot more to do with the fact that the top half of the division has five Ivies. The non-Ivies play more games (32 vs. 29 for three extra non-confs) and also are eligible for some of the early exempted games.Ronald '09
On first glance, without actually looking into it, perhaps the discrepancy has to do with non-conference games played in amount teams in the conference, such as our tie with Colgate in Estero? I'm not sure how many other non-conference games have been played among ECAC teams, but I'd suspect there's a few.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: January 09, 2009 04:51PM
KeithKMaybe, but I think the difference has a lot more to do with the fact that the top half of the division has five Ivies. The non-Ivies play more games (32 vs. 29 for three extra non-confs) and also are eligible for some of the early exempted games.Ronald '09
On first glance, without actually looking into it, perhaps the discrepancy has to do with non-conference games played in amount teams in the conference, such as our tie with Colgate in Estero? I'm not sure how many other non-conference games have been played among ECAC teams, but I'd suspect there's a few.
The Ivies has a lot more to do with it than intra-ecac "non-conference" games, of which there are many, including between two Ivy teams. The non-ivies have 10+ NC games to fill out their schedule with, more than most other teams around so it's understandable why Clarkson and SLU play four times this year.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 09, 2009 05:47PM
Nathan Chicowdy 92
Good point.
This also highlights the importance of the remaining games against Harvard, RPI and Clarkson are, since losses to them will hurt a lot of PWR common opponent comparisons.
I was playing with that the other day. Of the top 10 teams in the PWR, 4 of them have played RPI (BU, Northeeatern, UVM and Miami). Harvard plays BU & BC, and Dartmouth plays NU and BC. Minny played Brown, Notre Dame played Union, and Miami played Union. But I don't believe we can lose the comparison with Miami unless we lose some games to Colgate in the playoffs, and as long as we don't meet lose a game to RPI or Clarkson in in the ECAC tourney, we've locked up the point versus Denver.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: January 09, 2009 06:54PM
Speaking of PWR, the last four teams (and six of eight!) in the RPI t-25 are all WCHA teams. Whose right under the TUC bubble? Familiar friends: Yale, SLU, UMass, Colgate are 26-29. Niagara is 31. There could be some interesting flipping of comparisons as some of these teams flip back and forth with the teams on the other side of the TUC bubble.
Edit (9:45pm): Yale's win over Dartmouth has moved them to 22 and bumbed NoDak to 26, making Cornell's one loss (at least for now) no longer a TUC loss.
Edit (9:45pm): Yale's win over Dartmouth has moved them to 22 and bumbed NoDak to 26, making Cornell's one loss (at least for now) no longer a TUC loss.
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Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 10, 2009 06:11PM
Saturday: RPI 5 PU 1
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 10, 2009 06:24PM
Guess the Tigers were looking ahead to finals.ursusminor
Saturday: RPI 5 PU 1
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Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: January 10, 2009 06:28PM
Or Kalemba's been shaky and they have no depth in net.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: sah67 (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 10, 2009 06:45PM
Scersk '97
Or Kalemba's been shaky and they have no depth in net.
Kalemba didn't play in this game, but the second part of your assessment is still accurate.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 10, 2009 08:28PM
After 2:
Yale 5 Harvard 1 (yay? boo?)
Darmouth 5 Brom 1
In 2nd:
Union 3 Quinnipiac 2
SLU 4 Clarkson 0 (tough year for the Ka-niggets)
Yale 5 Harvard 1 (yay? boo?)
Darmouth 5 Brom 1
In 2nd:
Union 3 Quinnipiac 2
SLU 4 Clarkson 0 (tough year for the Ka-niggets)
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
Date: January 11, 2009 01:17AM
Which was my point. Kalemba's been so shaky, it seems, that Gadowsky wanted to look at another goalie. The RPI game looked like a good game in which to get that look... I mean, it's only RPI, right?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/11/2009 01:18AM by Scersk '97.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 11, 2009 07:12AM
Makes you wonder whether Kalemba's playing hurt. I realize that goalies are a different breed, but such a radical drop in performance points to something being wrong.
Re: Other ECAC Results
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 11, 2009 09:40AM
Perhaps the league has "solved" him.Jeff Hopkins '82
Makes you wonder whether Kalemba's playing hurt. I realize that goalies are a different breed, but such a radical drop in performance points to something being wrong.
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