Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by Iceberg
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 19, 2024 08:38AM
BearLover
First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: “here’s the link, if anybody needs,” or something to that effect.abmarks
chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.
Leave a link next time?
For those of you looking, its at [www.collegehockeynews.com]
Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"
Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice. But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).
Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)
Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell
Second, I’m pretty certain this story has been edited. I don’t have the earlier version in front of me (because it’s been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of “finalist,” i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood’s.
Yeah, I saw the updated article that said he and a Michigan assistant are supposedly the two finalists (sorry, don’t have the link)
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 09:23AM
I knew you were responding to chimp food rather than me. I just thought your phrasing was impolite. I decided to point it out because a lot of your posts have an adversarial tone.abmarks
BearLover
First of all, a more polite and way to start your post would be to say: “here’s the link, if anybody needs,” or something to that effect.abmarks
chimpfood
CHN has syer as a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job.
Leave a link next time?
For those of you looking, its at [www.collegehockeynews.com]
Also, it doesn't exactly say he's a finalist. It says
" Among those who have interviewed, or were expected to, are Cornell assistant Ben Syer, Michigan assistant Rob Rassey, and Arizona State assistant Dana Borges"
Re: bearlovers question about why Princeton but not Cornell: bearlover, thatd be a good question if syer was offered the job or the first.or second choice. But all this says is that he interviewed, and he's interviewed for plenty of gigs over the years iirc. (Tsk tsk chimpfood for the misleading post).
Maybe the more pertinent question is why is syer still at Cornell, despite interviewing for other gigs frequently over the years? (Someone correct.me.if it hasn't been that often)
Is it because he doesn't want to leave? Or is it because no one will offer.him a HC job? Time will tell
Second, I’m pretty certain this story has been edited. I don’t have the earlier version in front of me (because it’s been edited), but I am 90% sure the earlier version DID say something along the lines of “finalist,” i.e. language that was the same or similar to chimpfood’s.
Touchy touchy. Only bearlover would still feel insulted the one time I don't shit on him.
I was critiquing chimpfoods laziness, not yours bearlover, which is why I mentioned the link immediately after the chimpfood quote.
Bearlover, your question for adamw was said "I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job". It was fair to assume you were commenting on chimps post since you used the same language. No reason to believe you had read the original article or that it (might) have been revised, since there's no mention of update or revision in the article header.
Regardless, you're asking a good question if he actually is a true finalist for HC elsewhere.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: April 19, 2024 09:27AM
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 09:31AM
Well, he ruled Casey, Syer, and Topher, so I doubt it.Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: pfibiger (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 19, 2024 10:32AM
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: April 19, 2024 10:37AM
pfibiger
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
That makes sense, too.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 11:12AM
But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.Dafatone
pfibiger
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
That makes sense, too.
There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).
Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 12:40PM
Who was promoted from within and successful in basketball?BearLover
But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.Dafatone
pfibiger
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
That makes sense, too.
There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).
Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Robb (107.72.164.---)
Date: April 19, 2024 01:28PM
Way too much speculation going on. Maybe Adam assumed that someone would hire Syer away from Cornell as a HC and then Cornell would not be able to entice him back? Who knows? There are a million scenarios where Syer does not become Cornell HC, and only a few where he does, so maybe Adam is just playing the odds.BearLover
But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.Dafatone
pfibiger
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
That makes sense, too.
There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).
Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 01:39PM
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
"CHN's report" - you mean the one I wrote?
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 01:44PM
BearLover
But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.Dafatone
pfibiger
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
That makes sense, too.
There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).
Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.
There are an awful lot of ridiculous assumptions in there -- and then calling me "wrong" to boot. LOL. How is what Princeton thinks relevant to what Cornell thinks? Has Princeton been a national juggernaut at some point that I don't remember? What's each school's respective situation? What's each school's respective AD background/experience? Etc...
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: April 19, 2024 02:03PM
adamw
BearLover
But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.Dafatone
pfibiger
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
That makes sense, too.
There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).
Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.
There are an awful lot of ridiculous assumptions in there -- and then calling me "wrong" to boot. LOL. How is what Princeton thinks relevant to what Cornell thinks? Has Princeton been a national juggernaut at some point that I don't remember? What's each school's respective situation? What's each school's respective AD background/experience? Etc...
To be fair, we're only a few years from 2028, when Princeton will again rise from its slumber before going back to bed for ten more seasons.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: RichH (104.28.39.---)
Date: April 19, 2024 03:01PM
Dafatone
To be fair, we're only a few years from 2028, when Princeton will again rise from its slumber before going back to bed for ten more seasons.
+1
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 03:26PM
ah yes, the famous "brood x"Dafatone
To be fair, we're only a few years from 2028, when Princeton will again rise from its slumber before going back to bed for ten more seasons.
we all have high hopes for jaques.Al DeFlorio
Who was promoted from within and successful in basketball?
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 03:28PM
oops
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 04:55PM
My point was about promoting from within based on past program success. I wasn’t commenting on how successful or unsuccessful such internal hire would ultimately go on to be. So in terms of basketball, I am referring to Jon Jaques.Al DeFlorio
Who was promoted from within and successful in basketball?BearLover
But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.Dafatone
pfibiger
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
That makes sense, too.
There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).
Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 05:10PM
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.adamw
BearLover
But I don’t think either of those interpretations makes too much sense.Dafatone
pfibiger
Dafatone
BearLover
I’d be curious to hear adamw’s response to the CHN report that Syer is a finalist for the Princeton head coaching job. A few months ago adamw was suggesting Syer would not be the next head coach of Cornell. Why would Princeton be an option, but not Cornell?adamw
I should probably just shut up - but I'm not good at that.
I think Ben Syer and Topher are great guys. Neither will be the next coach. Casey Jones is one of my favorite people in hockey, and I think he's a great coach. However, he's only 4 years younger than Coach Schafer - and so it won't be him either.
To shove words into Adam's mouth, I took his comments to mean that there's a behind-the-scenes heir apparent to Schafer's job. But I'm reading a lot into it.
That's funny, I read exactly the opposite -- when Schafer does eventually retire, Cornell will be a plum job attracting nationwide candidates, and it won't just be "promote the assistant."
That makes sense, too.
There isn’t anyone who would be a behind-the-scenes heir apparent that isn’t Casey/Syer/Topher, unless it’s Doug Derraugh, who would be dismissed as a candidate on the same grounds adamw applied to Casey (being only slightly younger than Schafer).
Moreover, while I think a nationwide coaching search is possible, the very strong trend among Cornell’s successful athletics programs has been to promote from within (wrestling, lacrosse, basketball). adamw’s statement that these people will “not be the next coach” was written in no uncertain terms. The only justification for adamw’s level of certainty that would make sense in this context is that adamw has information that Syer would not want a head coaching job, or he simply isn’t cut out to be a head coach. In light of the fact Syer is interviewing for the Princeton position, it appears adamw was wrong. But I’ll let him explain his thinking on here.
There are an awful lot of ridiculous assumptions in there -- and then calling me "wrong" to boot. LOL. How is what Princeton thinks relevant to what Cornell thinks? Has Princeton been a national juggernaut at some point that I don't remember? What's each school's respective situation? What's each school's respective AD background/experience? Etc...
The way I look at it is:
—Cornell hockey is currently in the midst of an extremely successful period
—Syer has been associate coach throughout this period and for over a decade total
—Syer coaches the defense, which is excellent every season. He is Cornell’s lead recruiter, and recruiting has seemingly been quite good
—Cornell athletics has a history of promoting from within with respect to its most successful programs (including, recently, wrestling, lacrosse, and basketball)
—Syer is clearly willing to be head coach, or else he would not be interviewing at Princeton
—Princeton, which obviously does not have Cornell’s hockey pedigree but which has deep pockets and is willing to spend on athletics, and which is another Ivy (i.e. similarly situated to Cornell in terms of academic/admissions/transfer requirements) clearly thinks highly of him, if he is a “finalist” or “frontrunner” or whatever the article originally said
I take all those things together to suggest there would be a high likelihood that Syer ends up Cornell’s next head coach. No, not above 50%, but much higher than the likelihood of any other individual becoming the next head coach.
I don’t really see why I should think otherwise, but if you would like to explain why I’m very willing to be wrong.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 05:15PM
you really do seem to be answering your own question here but because of an inexplicable underlying hostility or obtuseness didn't notice and kept writingBearLover
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2024 05:27PM
I mean, I don’t expect adamw to provide us with whatever he’s heard. I just don’t think whatever he’s heard has been borne out as correct. Maybe I’m missing something though.ugarte
you really do seem to be answering your own question here but because of an inexplicable underlying hostility or obtuseness didn't notice and kept writingBearLover
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (185.169.0.---)
Date: April 19, 2024 06:29PM
At least when I impolitely take issue with Adam it's a matter of his comprehensively-stated argument* and not one suggestive rhetorical off-the-cuff snippet.
Bear, stop making me look fair-minded by comparison.
* albeit one which is an apodictic inanity.
Bear, stop making me look fair-minded by comparison.
* albeit one which is an apodictic inanity.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-208.myvzw.com)
Date: April 19, 2024 06:52PM
Obviously the heir apparent is Adam.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 12:23AM
Based on what!? Schafer hasn't retired. You think it somehow proves that Syer may replace Schafer because ... he may take a different job? I have no idea what the future holds, but I also don't have adam's sources. You've got nothing! You're arguing based on nothing and convincing yourself that you're winning.BearLover
I mean, I don’t expect adamw to provide us with whatever he’s heard. I just don’t think whatever he’s heard has been borne out as correct. Maybe I’m missing something though.ugarte
you really do seem to be answering your own question here but because of an inexplicable underlying hostility or obtuseness didn't notice and kept writingBearLover
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 08:45AM
We have no idea what the basis was for Adam’s statement. He didn’t give a reason. He didn’t even say, “according to people I’ve talked to.” It could have very well been a gut feeling rather than based on any sort of intel. Does Adam really have a well placed source who knows the inner workings of the Cornell hockey program/athletics department? I don’t know, maybe? Even if he does, circumstances could have changed since Adam heard what he heard. There are lots of reasons Adam could be wrong. Given all the publicly available signs suggest Syer could be the next Cornell coach, and given Adam hasn’t given us any explanation for what he said, I believe what he said could be wrong.ugarte
Based on what!? Schafer hasn't retired. You think it somehow proves that Syer may replace Schafer because ... he may take a different job? I have no idea what the future holds, but I also don't have adam's sources. You've got nothing! You're arguing based on nothing and convincing yourself that you're winning.BearLover
I mean, I don’t expect adamw to provide us with whatever he’s heard. I just don’t think whatever he’s heard has been borne out as correct. Maybe I’m missing something though.ugarte
you really do seem to be answering your own question here but because of an inexplicable underlying hostility or obtuseness didn't notice and kept writingBearLover
TBH, my guess is that your conclusion was based on faulty information or faulty assumptions, because you posted a pretty definitive statement of “X, Y, and Z won’t be Cornell’s next head coach” and didn’t offer any justification, and at this point I can’t really understand what this justification could be. I’m not sure if you’re being tight-lipped about it because you’re unable to reveal something you were told in confidence, or if it’s something else.
I’m not trying to win anything. I really was just hoping for more information. I think it was pretty telling that three posters on here had wildly different interpretations of Adam’s initial post.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 11:30AM
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/20/2024 11:33AM by ugarte.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 12:49PM
wrong thread sorry. lol
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/20/2024 12:49PM by ugarte.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 01:39PM
My rule for internet forum posting is to assume people are talking out of their ass unless I’m give a reason to assume otherwise. Is “editor of one of the biggest college hockey news websites” enough of a reason to disregard all the publicly available information that I consider to be pointing in the opposite direction? Maybe. Somebody bookmark this thread and we’ll return to it when Schafer retires.ugarte
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 02:36PM
BearLover
My rule for internet forum posting is to assume people are talking out of their ass unless I’m give a reason to assume otherwise. Is “editor of one of the biggest college hockey news websites” enough of a reason to disregard all the publicly available information that I consider to be pointing in the opposite direction? Maybe. Somebody bookmark this thread and we’ll return to it when Schafer retires.ugarte
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."
I believe your problem, clearly, is that you believe "publicly available information" points in the other direction -- when it clearly does nothing of the sort. That you believe it does, is invented in your head. But I think Ben Syer is a great dude, so I really have no interest in going on and on about any of this. It's just very weird that you think what I said has been "borne out as incorrect" - and you're using ... what? exactly as evidence? very bizarre.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 02:40PM
Trotsky
At least when I impolitely take issue with Adam it's a matter of his comprehensively-stated argument* and not one suggestive rhetorical off-the-cuff snippet.
Bear, stop making me look fair-minded by comparison.
* albeit one which is an apodictic inanity.
I feel like I was just insulted - but Trotsky is using Ivy League words, and I only went that other place in town.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 02:55PM
By “publicly available information” I mean all the stuff I previously said (been associate head coach for long successful period, coaches the defense, leads recruiting, wants to be a head coach, Cornell often hires from within, wife works for the university, etc.). I’m going to drop this point now. I hope he doesn’t get hired by Princeton. I still believe there is a good chance he is our next head coach.adamw
BearLover
My rule for internet forum posting is to assume people are talking out of their ass unless I’m give a reason to assume otherwise. Is “editor of one of the biggest college hockey news websites” enough of a reason to disregard all the publicly available information that I consider to be pointing in the opposite direction? Maybe. Somebody bookmark this thread and we’ll return to it when Schafer retires.ugarte
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."
I believe your problem, clearly, is that you believe "publicly available information" points in the other direction -- when it clearly does nothing of the sort. That you believe it does, is invented in your head. But I think Ben Syer is a great dude, so I really have no interest in going on and on about any of this. It's just very weird that you think what I said has been "borne out as incorrect" - and you're using ... what? exactly as evidence? very bizarre.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (185.169.0.---)
Date: April 20, 2024 05:56PM
adamw
Trotsky
At least when I impolitely take issue with Adam it's a matter of his comprehensively-stated argument* and not one suggestive rhetorical off-the-cuff snippet.
Bear, stop making me look fair-minded by comparison.
* albeit one which is an apodictic inanity.
I feel like I was just insulted - but Trotsky is using Ivy League words, and I only went that other place in town.
TC3-South Hill is nothing to be ashamed of, Adam.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: April 20, 2024 10:32PM
BearLover
By “publicly available information” I mean all the stuff I previously said (been associate head coach for long successful period, coaches the defense, leads recruiting, wants to be a head coach, Cornell often hires from within, wife works for the university, etc.). I’m going to drop this point now. I hope he doesn’t get hired by Princeton. I still believe there is a good chance he is our next head coach.adamw
BearLover
My rule for internet forum posting is to assume people are talking out of their ass unless I’m give a reason to assume otherwise. Is “editor of one of the biggest college hockey news websites” enough of a reason to disregard all the publicly available information that I consider to be pointing in the opposite direction? Maybe. Somebody bookmark this thread and we’ll return to it when Schafer retires.ugarte
There is literally no information that indicates Syer might be the next Cornell head coach. That Syer is interviewing elsewhere when Schafer sometimes suggests that he may be ready to retire soon indicates, if anything, the opposite. You aren't getting more information because adam has done everything but send you a letter with a wax seal that says "i heard this off the record and i'm not telling you my source."
I believe your problem, clearly, is that you believe "publicly available information" points in the other direction -- when it clearly does nothing of the sort. That you believe it does, is invented in your head. But I think Ben Syer is a great dude, so I really have no interest in going on and on about any of this. It's just very weird that you think what I said has been "borne out as incorrect" - and you're using ... what? exactly as evidence? very bizarre.
All of your "publicly available information" led you to insist Cornell would be no better than 20th in the Pairwise this year.
![whistle whistle](http://elf.elynah.com/smileys/whistle.gif)
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: April 23, 2024 09:51AM
In this opinion column in the BU student newspaper, the writer laments the lack of support from the student body for the school's hockey program.
"The support the team receives from the student body and BU community does not meet the expectations one would expect from such a high-caliber program."
"The support the team receives from the student body and BU community does not meet the expectations one would expect from such a high-caliber program."
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 23, 2024 03:57PM
Our son got paid by BU to work the penalty box and I don't think there was a huge amount of competition for the job. You can't yell or cheer but you have one hell of a view. I think at Lynah you could have charity bidding war for the right to work it.
(He went there for the hotel school. Got recruited by an ex-Cornell hotel prof who'd been a Hobart lacrosse guy early 1970s. In the era when the Cornell side of the sideline got pelted with beer bottles in 1973 or 1974.)
(He went there for the hotel school. Got recruited by an ex-Cornell hotel prof who'd been a Hobart lacrosse guy early 1970s. In the era when the Cornell side of the sideline got pelted with beer bottles in 1973 or 1974.)
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 25, 2024 10:51PM
We all missed this 2 weeks ago:
Good. Fuck them.
The NHL’s Carolina Hurricanes have announced that the team has signed Quinnipiac sophomore defenseman Charles-Alexis Legault to a three-year, entry-level contract.
Good. Fuck them.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (185.216.201.---)
Date: May 26, 2024 09:22PM
Trotsky
We all missed this 2 weeks ago:
Good. Fuck them.
The NHL’s Carolina Hurricanes have announced that the team has signed Quinnipiac sophomore defenseman Charles-Alexis Legault to a three-year, entry-level contract.
Hey, in other Quinnipiac news: This month is the 10th anniversary of the escapade of a Quinnipiac student who called in a bomb threat on graduation day in hopes of masking from her parents that she had used all the senior-year tuition and housing money tranferred from her parents to party, thus she would not be graduating, and figured if she called in a bomb threat, no graduation ceremony, parents wouldn't know. She called in the bomb threat from her own cellphone.
College Student Calls In Bomb Threat to Graduation So Parents Wouldn’t Discover She Dropped Out
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 30, 2024 05:11PM
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (155.133.4.---)
Date: May 31, 2024 02:45PM
Northeastern's Matthews Arena is 114 years old, seats 4666.
The most inclusive story is the Boston Globe:
The author must be a generalist. Her story three days earlier:
"Boston news anchor appears to swallow a fly — or an eyelash — live on air"
The most inclusive story is the Boston Globe:
Emily Spatz, boston.com
[A] letter [to the Boston Planning and Development Agency], sent by the university’s Vice President of Planning, Real Estate, and Facilities Kathy Spiegelman to the BPDA, said Matthews would be replaced by a 290,000 square foot facility for Northeastern’s sporting events. Matthews is the world’s oldest multi-purpose athletic building and was purchased by Northeastern in 1979, the school’s website reads.
If approved, the new facility would include an arena, a field house with multi-purpose turf, basketball courts, recreational courts, and “other accessory uses” to support Northeastern’s athletic needs, according to the letter.
“The Project will also include site improvements, including new street trees, pedestrian improvements, and public realm improvements,” Spiegelman wrote.
The author must be a generalist. Her story three days earlier:
"Boston news anchor appears to swallow a fly — or an eyelash — live on air"
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 01, 2024 03:49AM
And Appleton only am escaped alone to tell thee.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: June 02, 2024 11:37AM
Trotsky
And Appleton only am escaped alone to tell thee.
Do they not have a historic preservation board in Boston? Or is the whole city so historic that they can tear anything down?
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 03, 2024 05:52AM
The rule in Boston is you can bulldoze anything historically black, while for whites you must meticulously document somebody rich wants the land.jtwcornell91
Trotsky
And Appleton only am escaped alone to tell thee.
Do they not have a historic preservation board in Boston? Or is the whole city so historic that they can tear anything down?
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 13, 2024 01:13AM
Today in the North Country
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 13, 2024 08:56AM
Trotsky
Today in the North Country
Geez, that’s a bizarre tragedy. Sad for the young woman and her family.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.biz.spectrum.com)
Date: June 14, 2024 02:11PM
Al DeFlorio
Read it and weep, Greg: [www.wcvb.com]
Some interesting memories from the old Boston Arena. The 1966 ECAC Tournament was played there and we lost in the championship. Most interesting parts of that game were that although we finished second, lost to Clarkson 6-2 in finals, we were ineligible for the NCAAs. Also we didn't have our band there. So after Brown lost their game, the Brown band came to play for us.
The next year might have been the most memorable game played at the Boston Arena. We played in the Boston Christmas Tournament at the Arena. It was a three night, three game tournament, !2/28, 29 & 30. We won the first two and played BU in the third game. It was tied after 2 OTs, short memory but I think each were 20 minutes, and after having played what amounted to almost 4 games in 3 nights, both coaches agreed to call it a tie and quit. That's one reason why some of us long for going back to traditional OTs. Imagine if that game ended in a 5 min OT and then a shootout. Would anyone remember it?
Memorable quote from the Boston Globe, "It went past midnight, the trolley closed down, yet nobody left."
The Arena had an unusual quirk. It had an egg shaped ice and boards behind the nets. Rather than two corners, it was basically a continuously curved boards going from one side boards to the other side boards. Made for some interesting play.
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: June 22, 2024 04:18PM
surprised this hasn't been posted yet.
Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach
Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.
Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.
Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach
Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.
Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 22, 2024 04:30PM
A few days ago I posted that CJ’s sudden and late departure totally screws Clarkson. I was entirely wrong. In the matter of a week Clarkson managed to replace, and maybe even upgrade, their coach.abmarks
surprised this hasn't been posted yet.
Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach
Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.
Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.
Makes you wonder whether Clarkson is really such a difficult place to win at, given they managed to attract a successful AHL coach.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: cbuckser (134.186.179.---)
Date: June 22, 2024 04:46PM
If that AHL coach weren't a Clarkson alumnus, I'd make the same inference. (Actually, I already agree that Clarkson is a program that is well-positioned to succeed the majority of the time, But I have my own pro-ECAC biases.)BearLover
A few days ago I posted that CJ’s sudden and late departure totally screws Clarkson. I was entirely wrong. In the matter of a week Clarkson managed to replace, and maybe even upgrade, their coach.abmarks
surprised this hasn't been posted yet.
Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach
Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.
Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.
Makes you wonder whether Clarkson is really such a difficult place to win at, given they managed to attract a successful AHL coach.
I think Casey Jones and Jean-Francois Houle's decisions to return to their alma maters reveal a lot about how strong former players' emotional ties are to their college programs. Heck, I was a terrible skater and a subpar intramural player, yet I have similar nostalgia and emotional bonds to Cornell hockey. This phenomenon is a significant part of what makes NCAA hockey great.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/23/2024 10:46AM by cbuckser.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-229-77.myvzw.com)
Date: June 24, 2024 01:04PM
I basically agree with you—but if Clarkson is already well-positioned to succeed the majority of the time, what indicates Casey is an above-average coach? In his 12 seasons as head coach, only twice did Clarkson outperform Cornell in the Pairwise. Last year, they finished 37th. The year prior, 32nd.cbuckser
If that AHL coach weren't a Clarkson alumnus, I'd make the same inference. (Actually, I already agree that Clarkson is a program that is well-positioned to succeed the majority of the time, But I have my own pro-ECAC biases.)BearLover
A few days ago I posted that CJ’s sudden and late departure totally screws Clarkson. I was entirely wrong. In the matter of a week Clarkson managed to replace, and maybe even upgrade, their coach.abmarks
surprised this hasn't been posted yet.
Clarkson Turns to Alum J.F. Houle as Next Coach
Seems like a solid hire for Clarkson as they get an alum who's been successful (and had just been extended) as HC with Montreal's AHL affiliate.
Also probably good for the ECAC overall to land coaches thatve reached that level.
Makes me wonder whether Cam Abbott might get a future sniff with us after Casey given he just landed an AHL HC gig himself.
Makes you wonder whether Clarkson is really such a difficult place to win at, given they managed to attract a successful AHL coach.
I think Casey Jones and Jean-Francois Houle's decisions to return to their alma maters reveal a lot about how strong former players' emotional ties are to their college programs. Heck, I was a terrible skater and a subpar intramural player, yet I have similar nostalgia and emotional bonds to Cornell hockey. This phenomenon is a significant part of what makes NCAA hockey great.
I don’t believe the new NCAA rules are the reason they’ve regressed. Clarkson did lose a lot of players to the transfer portal, but they also brought in a lot of transfers. And they had several key contributors return for a fifth year (something not allowed for Cornell).
It’s hard to make much out of the advanced stats we do have for college hockey, given they don’t account for SOS (and Clarkson’s schedule has been relatively weak), but Clarkson’s CORSI suggests they are a middle-of-the-pack team the past few years—in line with their finish in the PWR. Their save percentage last season was quite bad, but their save percentage the prior year was average. And their shooting percentage was above average each of the past two years. Which is to say, there aren’t any signs they got particularly unlucky.
In 2022-23, Clarkson had 6 draft picks on their roster to Cornell’s 2. Last year, Clarkson had 7 draft picks to Cornell’s 6. So it doesn’t look like Cornell has much, if any, of a talent advantage. Clarkson recently renovated its facilities (mentioned in a recent CHN article) and just shelled out a bunch of money for Casey’s replacement. So how big is the resource disparity, really?
Two seasons is a small sample, though. And Clarkson had been on a nice run up until that point. It would be interesting to be able to do a deeper dive on what happened the past two years, if only we had access to the stats and information.
Casey is clearly a logical choice to take over Cornell’s hockey program. But I would not call it a slam dunk. I am hopeful that Casey can dip into whatever secret sauce Schafer found, because it seems there was some secret sauce responsible for Cornell’s comparative success—something beyond the numbers.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: cbuckser (134.186.179.---)
Date: June 24, 2024 01:28PM
BearLover
Casey is clearly a logical choice to take over Cornell’s hockey program. But I would not call it a slam dunk. I am hopeful that Casey can dip into whatever secret sauce Schafer found, because it seems there was some secret sauce responsible for Cornell’s comparative success—something beyond the numbers.
I think culture and reputation are the key ingredients, and I expect Casey will maintain both. Systems and identity should remain mostly intact, too.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Swampy (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 24, 2024 11:10PM
cbuckser
BearLover
Casey is clearly a logical choice to take over Cornell’s hockey program. But I would not call it a slam dunk. I am hopeful that Casey can dip into whatever secret sauce Schafer found, because it seems there was some secret sauce responsible for Cornell’s comparative success—something beyond the numbers.
I think culture and reputation are the key ingredients, and I expect Casey will maintain both. Systems and identity should remain mostly intact, too.
I'd add that Schafer was part of the (perhaps the entire) search committee. Mike's passion for Cornell hockey is no doubt just as strong in looking for his successor as it is in his playing and coaching throughout his affiliation with Cornell. And I trust Mike's judgement about how good other coaches are. So, I am optimistic about Casey as our next head coach.
In Mike We Trust.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Swampy (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: June 24, 2024 11:23PM
At another school, an alum is hired to be the HC in waiting, replacing the current HC after the 2024-5 season.
Also see here, where the comparison is more in depth.
Also see here, where the comparison is more in depth.
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: RichH (---.cust.tzulo.com)
Date: June 25, 2024 03:06AM
Swampy
At another school, an alum is hired to be the HC in waiting, replacing the current HC after the 2024-5 season.
Also see here, where the comparison is more in depth.
If you had to fabricate a name of a generic Notre Dame male athlete for your improv class, nothing you could conjure up would be as spot-on as "Brock Sheahan."
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: pfibiger (38.40.64.---)
Date: July 18, 2024 10:37PM
Have you ever wondered if it's possible to hate a coaching staff more?
Rumor in the rinks is Rick Bennett to Quinnipiac
— Mark Divver (@MarkDivver) July 1, 2024
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: August 08, 2024 09:40PM
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire
[www.uscho.com]
(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)
[www.uscho.com]
(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ithacat (---.dsl.telepac.pt)
Date: August 09, 2024 06:13AM
abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire
[www.uscho.com]
(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)
That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Weder (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 09, 2024 12:47PM
I hadn’t heard about a new assistant (or even that Russell had left), and Cornell hasn’t announced anything, but here is an article about the new coach from a Minnesota paper: [www.mankatofreepress.com]ithacat
abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire
[www.uscho.com]
(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)
That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Swampy (43.225.189.---)
Date: August 09, 2024 04:30PM
Weder
I hadn’t heard about a new assistant (or even that Russell had left), and Cornell hasn’t announced anything, but here is an article about the new coach from a Minnesota paper: [www.mankatofreepress.com]ithacat
abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire
[www.uscho.com]
(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)
That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.
Thanks for the link. I particularly like this part:
Mankato Free Press
Leivermann acknowledged that he does have some work to do in terms of learning NCAA compliance rules, the NIL world and other stuff unique to the college game.
I hope Casey has warned him about the Ivy League's version of rules for the college game. Also, while it would be great to have closer ties to the NTDP, having closer ties with the USHL ain't exactly chopped liver.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: abmarks (207.193.220.---)
Date: August 09, 2024 07:29PM
Two quotes stood out to me. This was clearly Casey's hire.
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Jones has spent the last 13 years as the head coach at Clarkson, and Leivermann has discussed joining Jones' staff there the past two offseasons. When the succession plan at Cornell was finalized, Jones reached out to Leivermann
You kind of got two head coaches at the helm there. Just my ability to sit back and learn there this year will be tremendous," Leivermann said. "Casey was the one kind of spearheading the hire. Just hoping to do a good job this year and to stay on staff for the future and continue to work under Casey."
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: ithacat (---.dsl.telepac.pt)
Date: August 10, 2024 01:48AM
Swampy
I hope Casey has warned him about the Ivy League's version of rules for the college game. Also, while it would be great to have closer ties to the NTDP, having closer ties with the USHL ain't exactly chopped liver.
Not at all…add in deeper ties with Minnesota too. Maybe this gives Cornell a chance with Gavin Kor. A former Shattuck player who was with Fargo last season. Between the WHL, the Minnesota schools, and other Big-10ish schools, he’s probably a long shot. Maybe I just like the name.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Old Red (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 11, 2024 12:04PM
In case anyone wonders where, Ben Russell went to Northern Michigan: [nmuwildcats.com]
I have to wonder what all this turnover means to the team next season. That is a lot of transition in one season. How will this change the organization of the defense? We've lost two leadership coaches there. \
What specialties does this new coach bring to the team? Is he here to teach or learn?
I have to wonder what all this turnover means to the team next season. That is a lot of transition in one season. How will this change the organization of the defense? We've lost two leadership coaches there. \
What specialties does this new coach bring to the team? Is he here to teach or learn?
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Cop at Lynah (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 11, 2024 01:09PM
I've spoken to some of the team members and they all say that they are looking forward to the coaching changes and what they mean for the future of the program
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: The Rancor (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
Date: August 12, 2024 08:46AM
Casey has to pick his own leadership, I guess. Best of luck to Ben Russell.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: sah67 (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: August 13, 2024 03:51PM
pfibiger
Have you ever wondered if it's possible to hate a coaching staff more?
Rumor in the rinks is Rick Bennett to Quinnipiac
— Mark Divver (@MarkDivver) July 1, 2024
He's listed on the QU staff directory now:
[www.qu.edu]
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: August 15, 2024 09:01PM
It's probably time to move on to 2024-25, but that takes a little more effort than replying to an existing thread.
This year's Winter Classic is expanding to include not just Blackhawks vs. Blues at Wrigley Field on December 31, but also Notre Dame men vs. Penn State men and Michigan vs the Ohio State men on January 3, followed by Wisconsin men vs Michigan State men and Wisconsin women vs. the Ohio State women on January 4. [chicago.suntimes.com]
This year's Winter Classic is expanding to include not just Blackhawks vs. Blues at Wrigley Field on December 31, but also Notre Dame men vs. Penn State men and Michigan vs the Ohio State men on January 3, followed by Wisconsin men vs Michigan State men and Wisconsin women vs. the Ohio State women on January 4. [chicago.suntimes.com]
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (5.181.234.---)
Date: August 16, 2024 09:58AM
Mission Creep.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: The Rancor (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
Date: August 16, 2024 12:53PM
Holiday Tournament at Schoellkopf!
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 16, 2024 12:54PM
wait, we use turf pellets..
probably gonna be a protest.
probably gonna be a protest.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 16, 2024 10:47PM
Beebe. Eddie Shore.The Rancor
Holiday Tournament at Schoellkopf!
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: August 28, 2024 05:34PM
Now Corey Leivermann is announced by Cornell. [cornellbigred.com]Weder
I hadn’t heard about a new assistant (or even that Russell had left), and Cornell hasn’t announced anything, but here is an article about the new coach from a Minnesota paper: [www.mankatofreepress.com]ithacat
abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire
[www.uscho.com]
(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)
That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 28, 2024 07:50PM
David Harding
Now Corey Leivermann is announced by Cornell. [cornellbigred.com]Weder
I hadn’t heard about a new assistant (or even that Russell had left), and Cornell hasn’t announced anything, but here is an article about the new coach from a Minnesota paper: [www.mankatofreepress.com]ithacat
abmarks
Harvard makes what looks to be a solid hire
[www.uscho.com]
(Hobey winner Matt Gilroy who played at BU, hired as assistant coach)
That sucks. Would love to see deeper NTDP ties at Cornell. Cornell's next hire appears to be solid as well and, hopefully, opens up Minnesota for the men.
I’m already a fan since they mentioned his dog in the announcement.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 28, 2024 08:58PM
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: August 30, 2024 09:32AM
NHL star Johnny Gaudreau, formerly of BC passed away.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: underskill (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 30, 2024 09:37AM
And his brother. Day before sister’s wedding. Awful
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwyynyx1.pop.starlinkisp.net)
Date: August 30, 2024 02:15PM
More specifically, Gaudreau and his brother were struck by a car while riding bicycles at dusk Thursday evening in New Jersey. The driver was arrested and charged with suspicion (as of the day after) of being drunk.
[www.cnn.com]
[www.cnn.com]
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwyynyx1.pop.starlinkisp.net)
Date: August 30, 2024 05:25PM
Nice nickname:
Cornell PR
A mid-year transfer to Gustavus Adolphus, a Minnesota-based Division III institution, in 2012-13, Leivermann averaged a point per game over his 40 career games with the Gusties
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.167.165.res-cmts.sm3.ptd.net)
Date: August 31, 2024 06:37AM
billhoward
Nice nickname:
Cornell PR
A mid-year transfer to Gustavus Adolphus, a Minnesota-based Division III institution, in 2012-13, Leivermann averaged a point per game over his 40 career games with the Gusties
Officially the team nickname is the Golden Gusties.
Sounds like a lot of hot air to me.
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Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: RichH (104.28.76.---)
Date: September 01, 2024 12:14PM
Jeff Hopkins '82
billhoward
Nice nickname:
Cornell PR
A mid-year transfer to Gustavus Adolphus, a Minnesota-based Division III institution, in 2012-13, Leivermann averaged a point per game over his 40 career games with the Gusties
Officially the team nickname is the Golden Gusties.
Sounds like a lot of hot air to me.
I've long held that Albertus Magnus College should name their men's teams the Fat Alberts.
Re: Opponents and Others 2023-24
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.east.verizon.net)
Date: September 07, 2024 12:33PM
If one must veer in that direction, make it Phat AlbertsRichH
I've long held that Albertus Magnus College should name their men's teams the Fat Alberts.
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