ECAC R2 G2: Union 2 Cornell 3 (final)

pfm10

Trotsky

scoop85
So much for my recent raves about Army ... I see that they lost 4-2 to an under .500 Mercyhurst in the Atlantic Hockey semifinals.

Which means under .500 Mercyhurst is a win from an autobid.

Which means they could suddenly become a TUC, right?

IIRC, no. You can't be a TUC if your RPI is under .500 even if you are in the tourney. I think.

shorthanded; such an important kill.

Teams don't automatically become TUCs anymore for the purposes of calculating the Pairwise

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Great kill leads to Union penalty with :46 left on the Cornell penalty.

A lot more civil than mine...

Union just picked up a penalty to negate their PP. 4-4 hockey for a bit.

You don't become a TUC even if your RPI is ABOVE .500 and you win a tournament. Not automatically. So if your RPI is .5008 and you win a conference tournament, you still don't automatically become one. It's just the Top 25 of RPI.

Trotsky
My email:

I am emailing to demand a refund for the Cornell-Union mens ECAC hockey playoff game of 3/15/08. The webcast audio and video have repeatedly failed throughout this webcast, as they have through other B2 webcasts throughout this and other years.


This quality of service plagued Cornell viewers all last year prior to the Cornell AD dropping B2 at our request. Many of us are now petitioning the ECAC and NCAA to remove B2 from the list of providers for any future league products.

B2’s products, customer support, and pricing model are seriously inferior when compared with even the barely tolerable of web-based products. We look forward to the day your management either elects to provide quality service or files for bankruptcy.

Trotsky,

While I agree with you about B2's terrible performance during the playoffs, wasn't the provider we hated so much over the last couple years CSTV? I don't think B2 had anything to do with it.

 

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Phil Fibiger '01
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adamw
You don't become a TUC even if your RPI is ABOVE .500 and you win a tournament. Not automatically. So if your RPI is .5008 and you win a conference tournament, you still don't automatically become one. It's just the Top 25 of RPI.

Got it, thanks.

Too many men against Union, Cornell 5x3 for ~:33

5 on 3 chance here...gotta cash it in.

Wow, too many men penalty on Onion with :33 left on the Cornell power play (I don't think I've seen that happen before). Schafer calls a time out.

You can't count. Cornell goes 5x3 on a too many men penalty

Natch, B2 now up again.

how about a couple shots on goal to start..

Greening's due.

pfibiger
Trotsky,

While I agree with you about B2's terrible performance during the playoffs, wasn't the provider we hated so much over the last couple years CSTV? I don't think B2 had anything to do with it.

Yup, it was CSTV's AllAccess, no connection to B2 - although I believe B2 has carried the Everblades tourney before.

YES! still a 5 on 4.

Barlow!!!!

GOAL!!! BARLOW!!!

BARLOW

Like I said, Barlow's due !

LGR!

pfibiger

Trotsky
My email:

I am emailing to demand a refund for the Cornell-Union mens ECAC hockey playoff game of 3/15/08. The webcast audio and video have repeatedly failed throughout this webcast, as they have through other B2 webcasts throughout this and other years.


This quality of service plagued Cornell viewers all last year prior to the Cornell AD dropping B2 at our request. Many of us are now petitioning the ECAC and NCAA to remove B2 from the list of providers for any future league products.

B2’s products, customer support, and pricing model are seriously inferior when compared with even the barely tolerable of web-based products. We look forward to the day your management either elects to provide quality service or files for bankruptcy.

Trotsky,

While I agree with you about B2's terrible performance during the playoffs, wasn't the provider we hated so much over the last couple years CSTV? I don't think B2 had anything to do with it.

Yes, for the last two years, Cornell used CSTV which is a separate entity from B2.

Clarkson and St. Lawrence are using B2 as their internet service provider this year and I watched both North Country games without any issues.

As we all know, issues at the rink (i.e. people stepping on the cords) etc. do affect whether we get video feed or not.

This is the first year that the ECAC has gone to a single service provider for the opening and QF rounds. It might be worth writing a letter detailing your frustrations with B2 to the ECAC. I wrote one explaining my disappointment with plan and how much it was going to cost etc. If more people shared their experiences in a constructive manner, then perhaps next year they might come up with a better plan.

How much time, please??

9:15 to go

8:45 left in the 3rd.

Rita
Yes, for the last two years, Cornell used CSTV which is a separate entity from B2.

"Forget it, he's rolling."

6:17 left in the 3rd

Thanks. LGR!!

Cowbell time

"Union fans finally starting to get loud with 6 minutes to go ..."

And that passes

this really feels like watching a game on a home camcorder from the 80's

4:20 to go

3:47 left. Face-off outside the Union zone.

3:24 to go, Cornell (of course) called for the penalty

Kill, Red, Kill!

3:24 to go, and we get called for a penalty - obstruction

swallow the whistle and then call that type of penalty?

seems like we always do this. kennedy into the box.

Union going on the PP. M. Kennedy going to the box.

3:24 left in the 3rd.

Kill Red Kill!

Kill Red Kill.

I wonder whether or not Union will pull the goalie before the end of the penalty.

2:30 left in the 3rd.

2:12 left in the 3rd, Time out Union.

TO Union :49 left in the PK

Surprising that Milan doesn't go to the bench

edit: Milan on the bench

Empty net.

Kill Red Kill!

And now he does

Come on Red.

Yale 4 Princeton 3 Final

Mugford clears the zone

PP expires

anybody have b2 cut out for a minute again?

1:00 to go

1:06 left face-off in the Red end. Empty net Union

1:07 left, Penalty over.

Face-off in the Cornell defensive zone.

Cornell ices the puck again :38 to go

Another icing call. 38 seconds left.

Topher just missed and ENG.

scrivens holds on to a longshot, faceoff coming :21 to go

Another defensive zone face off.

Scrivens with a save.

Gate 4 Clarkson 3 Final

:7 to go, penalty on Union... LGR!!!

6.8 seconds left.

Coyle gets a penalty. That should bring the face-off to neutral ice.

Just tie up the puck.

nice!
on to next week!

Nice. Very nice.

Back to Albany baby!!

Encore cowbell cheer on the handshakes... Let's Go Red!!

Other series all go to Sunday!

I could only think back to the 2nd QF game against Q last year, being down 3-2 with the time slowly ticking down to the end of our season. It sure was great being on the other side of that equation tonight

Wow!!

Great weekend. Very agonizing last 6 minutes or so!!

Keep the good vibes going!

LGR!!!

At the risk of raining on our own parade, I'll quip that we still haven't beaten anybody better than us in the ECAC.

Scrivens won the game for us tonight.

metaezra
At the risk of raining on our own parade, I'll quip that we still haven't beaten anybody better than us in the ECAC.

Some small chance in Albany we won't have to play "anybody better than us in the ECAC." And, yes, I did say "small."

harv scores 15 and gets a split..

who do we want to win these games?

colg wins and we play harv if seed holds?

we could actually be the top seed if things fall right..

Looks like we're the only ones who can sit around and watch the NCAA hoops selection show tomorrow, too. Three-game series across the board.

metaezra
At the risk of raining on our own parade, I'll quip that we still haven't beaten anybody better than us in the ECAC.

We just did... twice in a row. Ok, I know its 'just Union', but they were one of the 4 we couldn't beat.

DeltaOne81

metaezra
At the risk of raining on our own parade, I'll quip that we still haven't beaten anybody better than us in the ECAC.

We just did... twice in a row. Ok, I know its 'just Union', but they were one of the 4 we couldn't beat.

It's kind of a technicality, but Union and Cornell were tied in the league with 25 points each. Union won the head-to-head tiebreaker, thus securing the first round bye.

metaezra

DeltaOne81
We just did... twice in a row. Ok, I know its 'just Union', but they were one of the 4 we couldn't beat.

It's kind of a technicality, but Union and Cornell were tied in the league with 25 points each. Union won the head-to-head tiebreaker, thus securing the first round bye.

True we 'tied', but since they beat us twice, its hard to argue they weren't one of the teams above us - and, based on the results this season 'better than us'.

Anyway, technicalities or not, its nice to see us able to get 2 wins on a road against a bye-team that we couldn't be in the regular season.

metaezra

DeltaOne81

metaezra
At the risk of raining on our own parade, I'll quip that we still haven't beaten anybody better than us in the ECAC.

We just did... twice in a row. Ok, I know its 'just Union', but they were one of the 4 we couldn't beat.

It's kind of a technicality, but Union and Cornell were tied in the league with 25 points each. Union won the head-to-head tiebreaker, thus securing the first round bye.

Which means that Delta was right when he said that we couldn't beat them. If we had beaten them, we would have the tiebreaker.

No doubt about it, the difference this year over last has been the improved special teams. If we keep that going next week, we have a shot (that, plus no one in the league is especially overwhelming).

DeltaOne81
Anyway, technicalities or not, its nice to see us able to get 2 wins on a road against a bye-team that we couldn't be in the regular season.

Agreed. And I suspect that the experience of having to deal with a first-round series, combined with wins on the road in the quarterfinals, should bring a lot of character to this young team in future years.

YAY WE ARE GOING TO ALBANY!!!!

metaezra

DeltaOne81
Anyway, technicalities or not, its nice to see us able to get 2 wins on a road against a bye-team that we couldn't be in the regular season.

Agreed. And I suspect that the experience of having to deal with a first-round series, combined with wins on the road in the quarterfinals, should bring a lot of character to this young team in future years.

And this year. When Cornell takes the ice Friday, it will be their 6th ECAC playoff game of the season -- their team record (which they will immediately break Saturday). The long post-season is a 25% bonus in games played over the RS.

Trotsky

metaezra

DeltaOne81
Anyway, technicalities or not, its nice to see us able to get 2 wins on a road against a bye-team that we couldn't be in the regular season.

Agreed. And I suspect that the experience of having to deal with a first-round series, combined with wins on the road in the quarterfinals, should bring a lot of character to this young team in future years.

And this year. When Cornell takes the ice Friday, it will be their 6th ECAC playoff game of the season -- their team record (which they will immediately break Saturday). The long post-season is a 25% bonus in games played over the RS.

And that's without having to go the distance in the Union series

DeltaOne81

metaezra
At the risk of raining on our own parade, I'll quip that we still haven't beaten anybody better than us in the ECAC.

We just did... twice in a row. Ok, I know its 'just Union', but they were one of the 4 we couldn't beat.

And depending on what happens tomorrow, we may not have to see any of the other three until next year.

Chris '03
And depending on what happens tomorrow, we may not have to see any of the other three until next year.

That's only happening if O. Henry is writing this year's ECAC script.

Trotsky

Chris '03
And depending on what happens tomorrow, we may not have to see any of the other three until next year.

That's only happening if O. Henry is writing this year's ECAC script.

Or the brothers Grimm.

Fantastic win tonight. Glad we made the trip, and of course we'll be heading back here (well, near here) next weekend.

I was just reading this game thread, and I wanted to comment for those of you planning on doing credit card chargebacks because of the poor B2 product and lack of customer service. While you will get your money back, it almost certainly will not come from B2. Most credit card companies will not bother to start the dispute process for an amount under $10. (For some credit card companies this amount may be even higher--possibly $15 or $20) Instead they will just give it to you, from their own pocket, so to speak. So while you will get the money back, B2 will also get to keep it. So the full affect you are looking for...B2 feeling the loss...won't be achieved.

andyw2100
Fantastic win tonight. Glad we made the trip, and of course we'll be heading back here (well, near here) next weekend.

I was just reading this game thread, and I wanted to comment for those of you planning on doing credit card chargebacks because of the poor B2 product and lack of customer service. While you will get your money back, it almost certainly will not come from B2. Most credit card companies will not bother to start the dispute process for an amount under $10. (For some credit card companies this amount may be even higher--possibly $15 or $20) Instead they will just give it to you, from their own pocket, so to speak. So while you will get the money back, B2 will also get to keep it. So the full affect you are looking for...B2 feeling the loss...won't be achieved.

chargeback obviously isnt the #1 option. #1 option is for b2 to refund the money, otherwise i will issue a chargeback. Fact of the matter is that I got to watch about half of the 1st and 2nd period, and none of the 3rd (I got an error message saying I had reconnected too many times, and to contact customer service, which I did and they never responded). In the end, I want the money to be refunded by $8, but I'll take Citibank giving me the $8 back, as a write-off or not.

jaybert
chargeback obviously isnt the #1 option.

I was actually responding more to Trotsky's post, in which he said something like, "If everyone did this, maybe B2 would get the message." I was pointing out that while you guys would (and should) get the money back, B2 would probably never know.

And Trotsky, to file a chargeback you just call your credit card company to start the process. But as I wrote earlier, in this case when you call to start the chargeback they will just give you your money back, instead of starting the chargeback procedure.

For a more significant amount of money, they would take your info, and then, depending on the credit card company, possibly ask you to write up your side of the story. Generally they will credit you the amount while the chargeback is pending. Then, when it is resolved, you keep the credit if it is resolved in your favor. If you lose the chargeback, they just reinstate the initial charge.

i thought he was actually referring to how to request a refund, but I could be wrong.

andyw2100

jaybert
chargeback obviously isnt the #1 option. [/quote

I was actually responding more to Trotsky's post, in which he said something like, "If everyone did this, maybe B2 would get the message." I was pointing out that while you guys would (and should) get the money back, B2 would probably never know.

And Trotsky, to file a chargeback you just call your credit card company to start the process. But as I wrote earlier, in this case when you call to start the chargeback they will just give you your money back, instead of starting the chargeback procedure.

For a more significant amount of money, they would take your info, and then, depending on the credit card company, possibly ask you to write up your side of the story. Generally they will credit you the amount while the chargeback is pending. Then, when it is resolved, you keep the credit if it is resolved in your favor. If you lose the chargeback, they just reinstate the initial charge.

imafrshmn
i love how away play-by-play announcers are so anticlimactic when we score~ "kennedy in the slot puckloosendhescores . . . "

This is one of the many reasons why I liked Grady Whittenberg. He made an exciting play sound exciting...no matter which team it benefited.

Anybody that emailed B2 hear back yet on that refund?

Wondering how long I should wait for a response before going ahead with the chargeback.

Jordan 04
Anybody that emailed B2 hear back yet on that refund?

Wondering how long I should wait for a response before going ahead with the chargeback.

No response for me yet. I'll probably call VISA by Friday.

same, have not heard back eiher. i sent another email today. will file the chargeback thursday or friday.

finally got a response back after sending another email today. said they were sorry and my refund was being processed.