Recruits 2014

Something very nasty has happened to the old Recruits thread (don't go there, it immediately crashes you out of eLynah), so what the hey, why not a new one?

Looking at BRPH's still-maintained recruit stat table, a few things jump out:

Strenshein: 19 GP, 19-5-24

Well, we did say we wanted guys who weren't shy about taking the shot.

Yates: 27 GP, 26-17-43

Not sure if he's facing Little Sisters of the Poor but that's gaudy.

Stoick: 32 GP, 64 PIMs.

Looks like Gavin has, ahem, retooled his game in preparation for the sequel. He's still just 19.

Hackett: 9 GP.

Teammate of Stoick with Green Bay and finally back from the injury that took him out for 2 months.

Trotsky
Something very nasty has happened to the old Recruits thread (don't go there, it immediately crashes you out of eLynah), so what the hey, why not a new one?

Looking at BRPH's still-maintained recruit stat table, a few things jump out:

The one that jumps out at me is Dwyer Tschantz: Playing in the USHL, #2 on his teams in goals scored, and 6'5".

Yates will be interesting -- he's playing prep hockey, the transition to a higher level of competition can be uneven (see Alex Rauter).

pfibiger

Trotsky
Something very nasty has happened to the old Recruits thread (don't go there, it immediately crashes you out of eLynah), so what the hey, why not a new one?

Looking at BRPH's still-maintained recruit stat table, a few things jump out:

The one that jumps out at me is Dwyer Tschantz: Playing in the USHL, #2 on his teams in goals scored, and 6'5".

Yates will be interesting -- he's playing prep hockey, the transition to a higher level of competition can be uneven (see Alex Rauter).

If you want to look up further information on Yates, I highly encourage you to include the term "hockey" in your Google search; there's another Trevor Yates who makes movies you wouldn't want coming up on your work computer.

(Or, for all I know, maybe it's the same Trevor Yates.)

Josh '99
(Or, for all I know, maybe it's the same Trevor Yates.)

It never hurts to have something to put on your application under "extracurricular activities."

Trotsky

Josh '99
(Or, for all I know, maybe it's the same Trevor Yates.)

It never hurts to have something to put on your application under "extracurricular activities."

Or to have something to go pro in other than sports.

Met two sets of parents on Friday at the Onion game. I hope they are back tonight.

Racine from Ottawa has great parents that sat behind us. His uncle played goalie for Northeadtern, winning all American honours and the beanpot.

I also noticed the Strensheins as we were entering Lynah. LGR!

Chad Otterman, a big, 1995-born forward from Morristown, New Jersey and the Delbarton School, has committed to Cornell.

6-3/190 lb. Delbarton Sr. F Chad Otterman (22-12-34 in 22 gp), has committed to Cornell (fall '15). Turned down six top lacrosse programs.

— USHR (@USHRhockey) February 15, 2014

95 F Chad Otterman (Delbarton) commits to Cornell. 6'3 forward with offensive ability is tough to play against, fits the mold in Ithaca.

— Over The Boards (@OTBPuckWatch) February 15, 2014

Chad Otterman is projected as a mid-round draft pick by NHL Central Scouting. There are now 4 Cornell recruits listed in the midterm rankings.

CAS
Chad Otterman is projected as a mid-round draft pick by NHL Central Scouting. There are now 4 Cornell recruits listed in the midterm rankings.

This is great news, especially since we will not be too badly damaged by this year's graduations (assuming Gillam / Hackett can replace Iles). It helps to flatten out the "key class / support class" two-piston cycle that has been building lately as well.

We have way too many forwards slated to enter this Fall. Maybe some of them are insurance against junior defections or underclass washouts.

If our lacrosse program wasn't one of the six, or even if it was, maybe he could play after hockey season. Harry Orr did it.

TimV
If our lacrosse program wasn't one of the six, or even if it was, maybe he could play after hockey season. Harry Orr did it.

At scholarship schools, if an athlete plays two sports does that tally against both scholarship limits or just one?

(Hopefully it's both or you could really abuse the system by, say, loading up on "gymnasts" who also just happen to play nose tackle.)

Matt Moulson could have started for our lax team, as could Joe Neuwendyk in his day.

Trotsky

At scholarship schools, if an athlete plays two sports does that tally against both scholarship limits or just one?

I'm pretty sure it's just one. Some sports have limited scholarships- lacrosse has only 12. Those teams mostly award fractional scholarships, so a player could get 1/2 a lacrosse scholarship and 1/2 a gymnastics scholarship for a full ride. It doesn't happen often.

Dwyer Tschantz is on fire playing in the USHL, 4 goals in his last 3 games.

TimV

Trotsky

At scholarship schools, if an athlete plays two sports does that tally against both scholarship limits or just one?

I'm pretty sure it's just one. Some sports have limited scholarships- lacrosse has only 12. Those teams mostly award fractional scholarships, so a player could get 1/2 a lacrosse scholarship and 1/2 a gymnastics scholarship for a full ride. It doesn't happen often.

Fractions makes sense, although you could still abuse it.

Trotsky

CAS
Chad Otterman is projected as a mid-round draft pick by NHL Central Scouting. There are now 4 Cornell recruits listed in the midterm rankings.

This is great news, especially since we will not be too badly damaged by this year's graduations (assuming Gillam / Hackett can replace Iles). It helps to flatten out the "key class / support class" two-piston cycle that has been building lately as well.

We have way too many forwards slated to enter this Fall. Maybe some of them are insurance against junior defections or underclass washouts.

Yes, but BRPH lists him as 2015. Our very strong current class of juniors will have graduated by the time Chad arrives on the hill.

Among those slated to enter next fall, Yates (Deefield/NV) is averaging 1.6 ppg; the next highest, Vanderlaan (AJHL), is averaging 0.59 ppg.
Among those slated to enter in 2015 or 2016, Ott (USPHL) is averaging 0.81 ppg; Otterman (Delbarton), 1.6; Sternschein (LI Gulls), 1.26; Starrett (USPHL), 0.96; and Tschantz (USHL), 0.7.

As we've seen this year with Matt Buckles, even extraordinary scorers take some time to adjust to the college game. So while the pipeline looks very good, and next year's team should be a serious contender for league and national honors, (and with no disrespect for the incoming class) I'm afraid the pipeline is not going to add a tremendous amount of firepower to the 2014-2015 team. OTOH, defensemen Bliss and Wedman may be able to help out significantly.

Swampy
Among those slated to enter next fall, Yates (Deefield/NV) is averaging 1.6 ppg; the next highest, Vanderlaan (AJHL), is averaging 0.59 ppg.
Among those slated to enter in 2015 or 2016, Ott (USPHL) is averaging 0.81 ppg; Otterman (Delbarton), 1.6; Sternschein (LI Gulls), 1.26; Starrett (USPHL), 0.96; and Tschantz (USHL), 0.7.

Booth, Starrett and Tschantz being later helps; it would give us 4 entering forwards (Angello, Rauter, Vanderlaan, Yates) to replace the 3 graduating (Craig, Mowrey, de Swardt), which is reasonable.

BTW, Elite Prospects still has Cimetta heading for Cornell. He's off BRPH. Is that definite?

Trotsky

Swampy
Among those slated to enter next fall, Yates (Deefield/NV) is averaging 1.6 ppg; the next highest, Vanderlaan (AJHL), is averaging 0.59 ppg.
Among those slated to enter in 2015 or 2016, Ott (USPHL) is averaging 0.81 ppg; Otterman (Delbarton), 1.6; Sternschein (LI Gulls), 1.26; Starrett (USPHL), 0.96; and Tschantz (USHL), 0.7.

Booth, Starrett and Tschantz being later helps; it would give us 4 entering forwards (Angello, Rauter, Vanderlaan, Yates) to replace the 3 graduating (Craig, Mowrey, de Swardt), which is reasonable.

BTW, Elite Prospects still has Cimetta heading for Cornell. He's off BRPH. Is that definite?

A more interesting question is: Where did Matt Cimetta go? This summer he was training with the Abbots:

[www.theobserver.ca]

And then he disappeared. He is on no findable hockey roster for this year, and there's no article or discussion of injury. Maybe he gave up hockey?

pfibiger
A more interesting question is: Where did Matt Cimetta go? This summer he was training with the Abbots:

[www.theobserver.ca]

And then he disappeared. He is on no findable hockey roster for this year, and there's no article or discussion of injury. Maybe he gave up hockey?

He was expected to be the Sarnia (GOHL) captain this year, and he was a Sarnia (OHL) draft pick (that's where I assumed he had passed us up for).

Trotsky

pfibiger
A more interesting question is: Where did Matt Cimetta go? This summer he was training with the Abbots:

[www.theobserver.ca]

And then he disappeared. He is on no findable hockey roster for this year, and there's no article or discussion of injury. Maybe he gave up hockey?

He was expected to be the Sarnia (GOHL) captain this year, and he was a Sarnia (OHL) draft pick (that's where I assumed he had passed us up for).

In looks like Sarnia has his rights but I found a Facebook page that I think is him (has references to Sarnia) and he appears to be a freshman at the University of Waterloo.

US U18 Team LW Jared Fiegl has committed to Cornell. #100 on Central's Mid-Term Rankings. Originally committed to Denver 2+ years ago.

— USHR (@USHRhockey) February 19, 2014

The staff certainly seems to be bringing in some outstanding talent.

ugarte
In looks like Sarnia has his rights but I found a Facebook page that I think is him (has references to Sarnia) and he appears to be a freshman at the University of Waterloo.

That is indeed him.

scoop85

US U18 Team LW Jared Fiegl has committed to Cornell. #100 on Central's Mid-Term Rankings. Originally committed to Denver 2+ years ago.

— USHR (@USHRhockey) February 19, 2014

The staff certainly seems to be bringing in some outstanding talent.

Yeah. With recruiting targeting younger kids, which puts the Ivies at a disadvantage, it would be nice if Fiegl matured and decided Cornell was more to his liking than DU. Anyone know the story here?

Jared Fiegl
1/23/96
6' 1" 198
Parker, CO
USNDT U18

According to Elite Prospects and hockeydb he has played just 8 games this year.

Swampy

scoop85

US U18 Team LW Jared Fiegl has committed to Cornell. #100 on Central's Mid-Term Rankings. Originally committed to Denver 2+ years ago.

— USHR (@USHRhockey) February 19, 2014

The staff certainly seems to be bringing in some outstanding talent.

Yeah. With recruiting targeting younger kids, which puts the Ivies at a disadvantage, it would be nice if Fiegl matured and decided Cornell was more to his liking than DU. Anyone know the story here?

The coach who recruited him was fired, which probably explains the defection more than anything else.

marty
Met two sets of parents on Friday at the Onion game. I hope they are back tonight.

Racine from Ottawa has great parents that sat behind us. His uncle played goalie for Northeadtern, winning all American honours and the beanpot.

I hope Hunter Racine is considering Cornell. He looks like a stud.

Interestingly, his uncle (Bruce) runs a goaltender academy attended by one Ryan Coon.

Trotsky

marty
Met two sets of parents on Friday at the Onion game. I hope they are back tonight.

Racine from Ottawa has great parents that sat behind us. His uncle played goalie for Northeadtern, winning all American honours and the beanpot.

I hope Hunter Racine is considering Cornell. He looks like a stud.

Interestingly, his uncle (Bruce) runs a goaltender academy attended by one Ryan Coon.

Hunter Racine has committed to Colgate.

cbuckser

Trotsky

marty
Met two sets of parents on Friday at the Onion game. I hope they are back tonight.

Racine from Ottawa has great parents that sat behind us. His uncle played goalie for Northeadtern, winning all American honours and the beanpot.

I hope Hunter Racine is considering Cornell. He looks like a stud.

Interestingly, his uncle (Bruce) runs a goaltender academy attended by one Ryan Coon.

Hunter Racine has committed to Colgate.

Stakes in the Union game were higher than we thought.

Swampy
Yes, but BRPH lists him as 2015. Our very strong current class of juniors will have graduated by the time Chad arrives on the hill.

Among those slated to enter next fall, Yates (Deefield/NV) is averaging 1.6 ppg; the next highest, Vanderlaan (AJHL), is averaging 0.59 ppg.
Among those slated to enter in 2015 or 2016, Ott (USPHL) is averaging 0.81 ppg; Otterman (Delbarton), 1.6; Sternschein (LI Gulls), 1.26; Starrett (USPHL), 0.96; and Tschantz (USHL), 0.7.

As we've seen this year with Matt Buckles, even extraordinary scorers take some time to adjust to the college game. So while the pipeline looks very good, and next year's team should be a serious contender for league and national honors, (and with no disrespect for the incoming class) I'm afraid the pipeline is not going to add a tremendous amount of firepower to the 2014-2015 team. OTOH, defensemen Bliss and Wedman may be able to help out significantly.

Putting stats from Delbarton and the AYHL U16 LI Gulls next to junior stats is apples and oranges in a big way. Delbarton is a nice school with a nice hockey program (my son goes to Don Bosco, a league competitor that just beat Delbarton) but it doesn't compare to junior hockey. I would guess that Otterman will need some seasoning at a junior program despite his draft ranking, he played for the Jersey Hitmen a little bit last year but he was young and wasn't really a factor.

RatushnyFan

Swampy
Yes, but BRPH lists him as 2015. Our very strong current class of juniors will have graduated by the time Chad arrives on the hill.

Among those slated to enter next fall, Yates (Deefield/NV) is averaging 1.6 ppg; the next highest, Vanderlaan (AJHL), is averaging 0.59 ppg.
Among those slated to enter in 2015 or 2016, Ott (USPHL) is averaging 0.81 ppg; Otterman (Delbarton), 1.6; Sternschein (LI Gulls), 1.26; Starrett (USPHL), 0.96; and Tschantz (USHL), 0.7.

As we've seen this year with Matt Buckles, even extraordinary scorers take some time to adjust to the college game. So while the pipeline looks very good, and next year's team should be a serious contender for league and national honors, (and with no disrespect for the incoming class) I'm afraid the pipeline is not going to add a tremendous amount of firepower to the 2014-2015 team. OTOH, defensemen Bliss and Wedman may be able to help out significantly.

Putting stats from Delbarton and the AYHL U16 LI Gulls next to junior stats is apples and oranges in a big way. Delbarton is a nice school with a nice hockey program (my son goes to Don Bosco, a league competitor that just beat Delbarton) but it doesn't compare to junior hockey. I would guess that Otterman will need some seasoning at a junior program despite his draft ranking, he played for the Jersey Hitmen a little bit last year but he was young and wasn't really a factor.

If you're a star for Delbarton lacrosse, you're a stud and probably headed D1. A couple Delbarton hockey alumni have done well in college. Not every player will be a star. Delbarton is the school for Chris Christie's kids.

billhoward

RatushnyFan

Swampy
Yes, but BRPH lists him as 2015. Our very strong current class of juniors will have graduated by the time Chad arrives on the hill.

Among those slated to enter next fall, Yates (Deefield/NV) is averaging 1.6 ppg; the next highest, Vanderlaan (AJHL), is averaging 0.59 ppg.
Among those slated to enter in 2015 or 2016, Ott (USPHL) is averaging 0.81 ppg; Otterman (Delbarton), 1.6; Sternschein (LI Gulls), 1.26; Starrett (USPHL), 0.96; and Tschantz (USHL), 0.7.

As we've seen this year with Matt Buckles, even extraordinary scorers take some time to adjust to the college game. So while the pipeline looks very good, and next year's team should be a serious contender for league and national honors, (and with no disrespect for the incoming class) I'm afraid the pipeline is not going to add a tremendous amount of firepower to the 2014-2015 team. OTOH, defensemen Bliss and Wedman may be able to help out significantly.

Putting stats from Delbarton and the AYHL U16 LI Gulls next to junior stats is apples and oranges in a big way. Delbarton is a nice school with a nice hockey program (my son goes to Don Bosco, a league competitor that just beat Delbarton) but it doesn't compare to junior hockey. I would guess that Otterman will need some seasoning at a junior program despite his draft ranking, he played for the Jersey Hitmen a little bit last year but he was young and wasn't really a factor.

If you're a star for Delbarton lacrosse, you're a stud and probably headed D1. A couple Delbarton hockey alumni have done well in college. Not every player will be a star. Delbarton is the school for Chris Christie's kids.

Do they study traffic?

RatushnyFan
Putting stats from Delbarton and the AYHL U16 LI Gulls next to junior stats is apples and oranges in a big way. Delbarton is a nice school with a nice hockey program (my son goes to Don Bosco, a league competitor that just beat Delbarton) but it doesn't compare to junior hockey. I would guess that Otterman will need some seasoning at a junior program despite his draft ranking, he played for the Jersey Hitmen a little bit last year but he was young and wasn't really a factor.

Kenny Agostino went to Delbarton. His senior year he scored 50 goals and had 33 assists -- looks like Otterman is at 24 and 15 (fwiw).

Not sure if the has been mentioned elsewhere:

Link to USHL Release

Indiana Ice goaltender Hayden Stewart has committed to play college hockey at Cornell University following his USHL career.

The 19-year-old has been stellar for the Ice since being acquired in January, posting a perfect 6-0-0 record which included back-to-back shutouts against the Youngstown Phantoms on February 8th and 9th. He has not allowed more than one goal in any of his six starts with the Ice, posting a 0.67 GAA and .971 SV% over that span. Stewart began the season with the Dubuque Fighting Saints and compiled a 6-6-1 record over 13 appearances with the club. His overall 2.30 goals-against-average in 19 games this season is the third best mark among USHL goaltenders.

Ice Goaltender Commits to Cornell University - United States Hockey League [t.co]

— Cornell News (@cornellnews) February 22, 2014

Interesting. In addition to Gillam and Coon we'll now have Hackett (6/1/96) and Stewart (9/22/94). With four years in the USHL and turning 20 in September, maybe this means Stewart will come in this fall and Hackett will delay.

ithacat
Kenny Agostino went to Delbarton. His senior year he scored 50 goals and had 33 assists -- looks like Otterman is at 24 and 15 (fwiw).

Exactly, very different numbers. Agostino is the exception rather than the rule. Kenny also played with the New Jersey Colonials travel club team from Mite C through U18, I would argue that the Colonials were responsible for the bulk of his development, not Delbarton. Club hockey is far more important than high school hockey in New Jersey.

Trotsky
Interesting. In addition to Gillam and Coon we'll now have Hackett (6/1/96) and Stewart (9/22/94). With four years in the USHL and turning 20 in September, maybe this means Stewart will come in this fall and Hackett will delay.

This is my guess too. Hackett seems to have struggled with injury and the transition to the USHL, so a year as the clear-cut #1 in the USHL probably will be a good thing for his development.

Are we losing our BCHL pipeline to Union? Ken Schott reports that Union is getting another recruit from there.

Certainly we're seeing a significant shift in our recruiting patterns -- many more guys coming from USHL and the other US junior leagues. As of now it appears we have no one coming from the BCHL. This could be related to a number of factors, but I would assume the change in assistant coaches over the last 5 years is a significant factor.

scoop85
Certainly we're seeing a significant shift in our recruiting patterns -- many more guys coming from USHL and the other US junior leagues. As of now it appears we have no one coming from the BCHL. This could be related to a number of factors, but I would assume the change in assistant coaches over the last 5 years is a significant factor.

IMHO it is a wise decision. Year by year the USHL has widened the gap between them and all other places from which D-I schools can recruit. Certainly players from many other leagues can jump into D-I hockey, but the USHL is by far the best league now. The BCHL probably is second best.

I don't follow Cornell recruits closely, but RPI recruits who switch from another league to the USHL have invariably had a decrease in production in the USHL which shows to me that the USHL provides stronger competition.

Personal networks seem to be part of it. We had the Golden Horseshoe under Bertrand and Reycroft; with McCutcheon we had those Alberta links; early Schafer had the BCHL in general and Nanaimo in particular; now we have the USHL and the Texas connection (Stewart played for Corpus Christie). It could also be a matter of player generations running dry: you recruit an 83 who then gets a pair of 84 teammates interested in you, who in turn attract an 85... eventually a couple years pass where there are no players from that source who are good prospects, the player relationship chains break, and when another prospect from the source crops up you have no insider edge.

ursusminor
RPI recruits who switch from another league to the USHL have invariably had a decrease in production in the USHL which shows to me that the USHL provides stronger competition.

In addition to being the league with the most talent, the USHL is a defense-oriented league. It prepares players extraordinarily well for Division I hockey.

Sam Sternschein is heating up. 18 points in his last seven games for the U16 Long Island Gulls, including a goal (empty netter) and an assist in the AYHL playoff championship game.

Sam's stats

RatushnyFan
Sam Sternschein is heating up. 18 points in his last seven games for the U16 Long Island Gulls, including a goal (empty netter) and an assist in the AYHL playoff championship game.

Sam's stats

Excellent! We play so many games with late one-goal leads that it would be great to have a strong empty-net guy.

RatushnyFan
Sam Sternschein is heating up. 18 points in his last seven games for the U16 Long Island Gulls, including a goal (empty netter) and an assist in the AYHL playoff championship game.

Sam's stats

Every time I see his name, I really wish it were spelled "Stymchyshyn."

You can call him Darren if that makes you feel better. He's an interesting story.......from the moribund U Illinois-Chicago program which was shut down to Lynah rink, how about them apples? I was at Michigan getting my MBA in '95-'96, that UIC team was awful.

Robb
Every time I see his name, I really wish it were spelled "Stymchyshyn."

I always think:

"How's it feel to be an Independent, Schoenstein?"

"How's it feel to be an asshole, Niedermeyer?"

"What did he say?"

Comparing Heisenberg's Fall '13 and Fall '14 lists:

On '13, now on team: Anderson, Weidner, Freschi, Coon, Lewis, Kubiak, Gillam, Buckles, P McCarron, Sade

On '13 and repeated on '14: Vanderlaan, Angello, Ott, Rauter, Bliss

On '13 but not on team or '14: Booth, Hackett, Cimetta

On '14: Fiegl, Otterman, Tschantz, Wedman, Strenshein, Starrett, Yates, Hoffman

Not yet on '14: Stewart

Are all the players in red gone? Cimetta as discussed above disappeared. Booth and Hackett are off BRPH.

Hard to believe that Rauter will be there next year. Looks like he's no longer on a USHL roster, he's moved on to the NAHL. Rauter stats

Trotsky
Comparing Heisenberg's Fall '13 and Fall '14 lists:

On '13, now on team: Anderson, Weidner, Freschi, Coon, Lewis, Kubiak, Gillam, Buckles, P McCarron, Sade

On '13 and repeated on '14: Vanderlaan, Angello, Ott, Rauter, Bliss

On '13 but not on team or '14: Booth, Hackett, Cimetta

On '14: Fiegl, Otterman, Tschantz, Wedman, Strenshein, Starrett, Yates, Hoffman

Not yet on '14: Stewart

Are all the players in red gone? Cimetta as discussed above disappeared. Booth and Hackett are off BRPH.

Needs another edit. Stren is the line I throw off the stern when fishing.

RatushnyFan
Hard to believe that Rauter will be there next year. Looks like he's no longer on a USHL roster, he's moved on to the NAHL. Rauter stats

Is the NAHL a better league than the USHL? (i.e., are you saying he's developed beyond the NCAA route, or that he's regressed?)

Trotsky

RatushnyFan
Hard to believe that Rauter will be there next year. Looks like he's no longer on a USHL roster, he's moved on to the NAHL. Rauter stats

Is the NAHL a better league than the USHL? (i.e., are you saying he's developed beyond the NCAA route, or that he's regressed?)

The USHL is significantly better. The NAHL has many players who could not make the USHL, e.g. RPI recruit Charlie Manley.

ursusminor

Trotsky

RatushnyFan
Hard to believe that Rauter will be there next year. Looks like he's no longer on a USHL roster, he's moved on to the NAHL. Rauter stats

Is the NAHL a better league than the USHL? (i.e., are you saying he's developed beyond the NCAA route, or that he's regressed?)

The USHL is significantly better. The NAHL has many players who could not make the USHL, e.g. RPI recruit Charlie Manley.

Thx.

Interesting that Rauter's star has fallen. IIRC when he was announced there were people saying he could be a real stud.

I believe Rauter's still coming. I saw an interview with him after he got to Wenatchee and he mentioned getting recruited to play at Cornell as being his biggest thrill.

I was one who thought he would be a real star...........saw him play as a midget, he was a sniper. For whatever reason, it didn't translate at the next level, probably a speed or strength issue. Maybe he'll come around, and scoop I'm sure he still wants to come (who wouldn't) but I think it's at least a question mark now as to whether he'll make the team. I hope that he does, he seems like a great kid.

RatushnyFan
I was one who thought he would be a real star...........saw him play as a midget, he was a sniper. For whatever reason, it didn't translate at the next level, probably a speed or strength issue. Maybe he'll come around, and scoop I'm sure he still wants to come (who wouldn't) but I think it's at least a question mark now as to whether he'll make the team. I hope that he does, he seems like a great kid.

Well, it's not like we're drowning in scorers.

Sounds a little like Matt Connors. Sometimes guys can't make the jump, sometimes an injury comes along at exactly the wrong time in a kid's development. At least it isn't a case of attitude or academics or ESL, each of which can be indicative of future problems.

I hope he makes it and thrives (of course!)

Final list is out for the NHL Central Scouting. Below are the CU recruits I noticed:

#79 Beau Starrett
#114 Anthony Angello
#142 Jared Fiegl

MattS
Final list is out for the NHL Central Scouting. Below are the CU recruits I noticed:

#79 Beau Starrett
#114 Anthony Angello
#142 Jared Fiegl

Seems like the rule of thumb is the final draft position maps to about 2 x the final CS rank. That would put Starrett in the 6th round and Angello on the bubble for the 7th.

Follow up on one we lost. Union recruit Shier named OJHL playoff MVP.

Jim Hyla
Follow up on one we lost. Union recruit Shier named OJHL playoff MVP.

Link's not opening for me. Is that Pete Shier's son?

Yes.

Boo.

We really shouldn't let great prospects who are legacies get way.

Pete Shier is a loyal Cornell alum. It may be there's something special about Union ... or for his son. It may be the parents' money, but it's the student's life.

Trotsky
Boo.

We really shouldn't let great prospects who are legacies get way.

I think you're already on record re: this commitment: [elf.elynah.com]

Chris '03

Trotsky
Boo.

We really shouldn't let great prospects who are legacies get way.

I think you're already on record re: this commitment: [elf.elynah.com]

Neither of those were top prospects.

When a legacy goes somewhere else because we didn't offer, that's fine. When we offer but he still goes somewhere else, that means we lost the competition for a player who started out with every reason to come to Cornell. That's bad.

Obviously there could be a million reasons to not choose your star father's school -- establish your own identity, etc. But OTOH, have we ever had a guy whose father was a star on another team?

Harvard has had, what, 3 generations of Cavanaughs? 4? That is a good story, aesthetically pleasing, and it would be great if we would have the same.

I'm just jealous.

Trotsky

Chris '03

Trotsky
Boo.

We really shouldn't let great prospects who are legacies get way.

I think you're already on record re: this commitment: [elf.elynah.com]

Neither of those were top prospects.

When a legacy goes somewhere else because we didn't offer, that's fine. When we offer but he still goes somewhere else, that means we lost the competition for a player who started out with every reason to come to Cornell. That's bad.

Obviously there could be a million reasons to not choose your star father's school -- establish your own identity, etc. But OTOH, have we ever had a guy whose father was a star on another team?

Harvard has had, what, 3 generations of Cavanaughs? 4? That is a good story, aesthetically pleasing, and it would be great if we would have the same.

I'm just jealous.

For what it's worth, I'd have hated to go to my dad's school when I was 18. Call it rebellion, branching out, establishing my own identity, or whatever. I'd have been annoyed.

Similarly, I'm shocked when a player (or anyone, really) from Ithaca goes to Cornell.

Dafatone

Trotsky

Chris '03

Trotsky
Boo.

We really shouldn't let great prospects who are legacies get way.

I think you're already on record re: this commitment: [elf.elynah.com]

Neither of those were top prospects.

When a legacy goes somewhere else because we didn't offer, that's fine. When we offer but he still goes somewhere else, that means we lost the competition for a player who started out with every reason to come to Cornell. That's bad.

Obviously there could be a million reasons to not choose your star father's school -- establish your own identity, etc. But OTOH, have we ever had a guy whose father was a star on another team?

Harvard has had, what, 3 generations of Cavanaughs? 4? That is a good story, aesthetically pleasing, and it would be great if we would have the same.

I'm just jealous.

For what it's worth, I'd have hated to go to my dad's school when I was 18. Call it rebellion, branching out, establishing my own identity, or whatever. I'd have been annoyed.

Similarly, I'm shocked when a player (or anyone, really) from Ithaca goes to Cornell.

Everyone's different I guess. As much as I love NYC I didn't want to go to school there (especially after my dad suggested going to Columbia and living at home). But then I have two cousins who went to schools about an hour from home and are seemingly home every weekend.

Dafatone
For what it's worth, I'd have hated to go to my dad's school when I was 18.

Me too, but I also wasn't looking to build an NHL career. And I may be wrong, but my impression is kids who are reflexively rebellious in that way (like us) tend not to follow their parent's sport. They get degrees in playwriting or some such...

Trotsky
Neither of those were top prospects.

When a legacy goes somewhere else because we didn't offer, that's fine. When we offer but he still goes somewhere else, that means we lost the competition for a player who started out with every reason to come to Cornell. That's bad.

Obviously there could be a million reasons to not choose your star father's school -- establish your own identity, etc. But OTOH, have we ever had a guy whose father was a star on another team?

Harvard has had, what, 3 generations of Cavanaughs? 4? That is a good story, aesthetically pleasing, and it would be great if we would have the same.

I'm just jealous.

Different permutations of Father/Son recruiting and misses. This list is by no means exhaustive, it was just off the top of my head plus some cursory looking:

CU hockey players whose fathers played elsewhere:
Mitch Carefoot (Denver)
Blake Gallagher (SLU)

College hockey players whose fathers played at Cornell:
Mark Jankowski (Providence)
Will Weber (Miami)
Paul Geiger (Clarkson)
Mike Ambrosia (Princeton)
Mark Mitera (Michigan)
Dan Peace (RPI)
Matt Brush (Princeton)

Older brother played at CU, player went elsewhere:
Nik Pokulok (Clarkson)

Older brother played elsewhere, player went to CU:
Evan Barlow (Harvard)
Mitch Gillam (Dartmouth)
Sean Whitney (BU)
Bob Kinasewich (Harvard)
Jeff Kubiak (Bentley)

pfibiger

Older brother played elsewhere, player went to CU:
Evan Barlow (Harvard)
Mitch Gillam (Dartmouth)
Sean Whitney (BU)

a couple of others I can quickly think of:
Bob Kinasewich '67 (Harvard)
Jeff Kubiak '17 (Bentley)

hard to believe they're a half century apart.

I believe that Craig Brush '72 son played elsewhere -- maybe Princeton? And Jim Gibson's son was a star lax player at Yale.

Dave Peace's son Dan played at RPI. I doubt that Cornell was interested.

ursusminor
Dave Peace's son Dan played at RPI. I doubt that Cornell was interested.

That's what Dave told me. On the other hand his daughter did her undergrad work at Cornell and was headed to the University of Michigan for her law degree. As little as I became acquainted with the Peace children, I felt fortunate to make their acquaintance.

dag14
I believe that Craig Brush '72 son played elsewhere -- maybe Princeton? And Jim Gibson's son was a star lax player at Yale.

There's a Matt Brush who played for Princeton and subsequently for the Florida Everblades.

pfibiger


Older brother played at CU, player went elsewhere:
Nik Pokulok (Clarkson)

Tom Hilbrich @ Quinnipiac



also prob. not in the same breath, but the young McCarron who bolted D1 all together

You could add Kevin Shier to the list.

Ryan Johnston (Colgate), Jacob/Rebecca/Sarah played at Cornell.
Jeff Skinner (OHL), sister Andrea played at Cornell.

Josh '99

dag14
I believe that Craig Brush '72 son played elsewhere -- maybe Princeton? And Jim Gibson's son was a star lax player at Yale.

There's a Matt Brush who played for Princeton and subsequently for the Florida Everblades.

Which reminds me -- I keep meaning to ask, is this for real? I have yet to find a confirmation.



(Just to be clear, I'm not talking about the outdated scoring system)

Well it doesn't exactly fit here as a 2014 recruit, but Chris Heisenberg is now listing Joey Kubachka a right wing for the Philadelphia Jr. Flyers as a Cornell 2017 recruit. Heisenberg lists him as 6'2", 175 lb, and born 7/4/98.

ursusminor
Well it doesn't exactly fit here as a 2014 recruit, but Chris Heisenberg is now listing Joey Kubachka a right wing for the Philadelphia Jr. Flyers as a Cornell 2017 recruit. Heisenberg lists him as 6'2", 175 lb, and born 7/4/98.

Easiest nickname ever.

All of the players listed by Heisenberg as entering in Fall '15 or later are American born.

Michael O'Leary probably for 2016

ursusminor
Michael O'Leary probably for 2016

"The six-foot-one left-winger was projected by many to go high in the upcoming QMJHL draft being held in Shebrooke, Que. on May 31. HockeyProspect.com had the Halifax native ranked 12th overall."

Hrm.

Well, let's hope so, but we've seen this movie before.

Many highly regarded players committed to attend Cornell in the next 2-3 years. Congrats to the coaching staff. Drop the puck!

CAS
Many highly regarded players committed to attend Cornell in the next 2-3 years. Congrats to the coaching staff. Drop the puck!

Like Trotsky hinted at, we've had "highly regarded" players lined up in the pipelines many times before. There's a lot that can happen to 16-17 year olds. Some just can't adjust to the college level, either skill-wise or ability to handle the physicality. Then there are those who were never seen as blue-chippers and then turn into Matt Moulson. Some have talent, but don't do the work necessary, and others fit in so well that they play above their head for four years.

Recruit threads are games in themselves. I read these, but reserve judgement until I can see what they can do at Lynah.

BTW, has anybody been following the whole "gentleman's agreement" stuff happening now?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

The end of that piece has a comment on Ivy practices.

RichH
BTW, has anybody been following the whole "gentleman's agreement" stuff happening now?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

The end of that piece has a comment on Ivy practices.

That's, actually, a really, interesting (but) oddly written, article. Certainly, however (an) unusual (sort of) style.

Beeeej

RichH
BTW, has anybody been following the whole "gentleman's agreement" stuff happening now?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

The end of that piece has a comment on Ivy practices.

That's, actually, a really, interesting (but) oddly written, article. Certainly, however (an) unusual (sort of) style.

My guess is that the style indicates where word salad was paraphrased to convert it back to English, since the parentheticals appear within quotes.

For example: One assistant coach said: "(Minnesota doesn't) seem to be into stealing a bunch of kids. was probably "they don't seem..." but rather than write to the quote, the authors clarified that Minnesota was who the speaker was referencing.

When should we expect Cornell to announce the hockey recruits entering this fall?

CAS
When should we expect Cornell to announce the hockey recruits entering this fall?

It was done on June 3rd last year so, soon I would guess.

RichH

CAS
Many highly regarded players committed to attend Cornell in the next 2-3 years. Congrats to the coaching staff. Drop the puck!

Like Trotsky hinted at, we've had "highly regarded" players lined up in the pipelines many times before. There's a lot that can happen to 16-17 year olds. Some just can't adjust to the college level, either skill-wise or ability to handle the physicality. Then there are those who were never seen as blue-chippers and then turn into Matt Moulson. Some have talent, but don't do the work necessary, and others fit in so well that they play above their head for four years.

Recruit threads are games in themselves. I read these, but reserve judgement until I can see what they can do at Lynah.

BTW, has anybody been following the whole "gentleman's agreement" stuff happening now?

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

The end of that piece has a comment on Ivy practices.

These "Gentlemans Agreements" are really a form of price fixing that operates to the benefit of the institution and the detriment of the student athlete. It effectively prevents a student from getting a better deal at an alternative institution. (Of course the NC$$ is all for this).

The last time the Ivy's did this they got threatened price fixing charge:

[www.nytimes.com]

Big Red Puckhead has posted a nice article on recruit Dwyer Tschantz, who is headed to Ithaca this fall. Wish I knew how to provide a link...

CAS
Big Red Puckhead has posted a nice article on recruit Dwyer Tschantz, who is headed to Ithaca this fall. Wish I knew how to provide a link...

Here's the article

Mike O'Leary drafted high in QMJHL draft:

Cornell recruit 98 F Mike O'Leary (Salisbury) goes 14th overall to the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles. #QMJHLdraft

— Over The Boards (@OTBPuckWatch) May 31, 2014

Certainly will be lot of pressure on him to go the Major Junior route. Hopefully he'll decide the college option is the best for him.

scoop85

CAS
Big Red Puckhead has posted a nice article on recruit Dwyer Tschantz, who is headed to Ithaca this fall. Wish I knew how to provide a link...

Here's the article

From the linked delawareonline article on Dwyer Tschantz,

Tschantz plans to room with Ice teammate Hayden Stewart, a goalie.

Other than ajh258's initial post in February, there hasn't been much discussion here on Stewart. Here are a couple of articles.
[ushl.com]
[www.usahockey.com]

jkahn
Tschantz plans to room with Ice teammate Hayden Stewart, a goalie.

Other than ajh258's initial post in February, there hasn't been much discussion here on Stewart. Here are a couple of articles.
[ushl.com]
[www.usahockey.com]

Per the stats page, Stewart played in 14 of their 27 games and put up a 1.29 GAA and .945 %.

On the other hand, their other goalie (headed to MSU-Mankato) played in 42 games, including the Anderson Cup final (which they won).

scoop85

CAS
Big Red Puckhead has posted a nice article on recruit Dwyer Tschantz, who is headed to Ithaca this fall. Wish I knew how to provide a link...

Here's the article

Apparently the author didn't get the memo that all sportswriting is supposed to be fluff bullshit, unclever puns. And. Short. Dramatic.

One sentence paragraphs.

It's actually well-written and factual. That guy's got no future in the biz.

Starrett draft preview

Trotsky
Starrett draft preview

Does that ever describe a classic Cornell forward (both for better and worse)

scoop85

Trotsky
Starrett draft preview

Does that ever describe a classic Cornell forward (both for better and worse)

"Recent Cornell alum" John McCarron??

Trotsky
Starrett draft preview

Starrett drafted in the 3rd round by Chicago, no. 88 overall.

scoop85

Trotsky
Starrett draft preview

Does that ever describe a classic Cornell forward (both for better and worse)

Starrett drafted by Chicago in 3rd round, 88th overall.

Anthony Angello drafted in the 5th round by Pittsburgh, 145th overall.