Why I will be (shudder) rooting for Sucks tomorrow

[Ken\'70]

Cornell has more options for playing in an Eastern Regional, particularly Albany, if they lose to Dartmouth rather than Harvard in the final.  If Cornell beats Colgate, regardless of what happens in the championship game, they'll stay east in almost any scenario where Miami doesn't win 2.

For example, if we lose to Dartmouth in final while Miami only wins one, with likely winners in all other conferences, we stay east with either BU or Maine winning HE.  Changing only losing to Harvard in the final, a BU HE championship sends us west.

[atb9]

I am so tired of Harvard.  I'm rooting for Dartmouth.  If Cornell doesn't do well this weekend, then I'd love the opportunity for the ECAC(HL) to sneak three teams into the NCAA's.

[finchphil]

Three IVY teams in the NCAAs would be kind of nice

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

While I'd love to see us beat Sucks again, I also like the idea of three ECAC teams in the NCAAs.  Add to that the awful thought that if we do lose to Sucks, we have to look at their ugly mugs on the cover of the 2007 program.  ::yark::

[KeithK]

[quote finchphil]It would also be better if Dartmouth lost to Harvard so it would knock Dartmouth out of the running for the NCAAs.  Just about the only way they get in is to win the ECAC tournament.  Harvard is likely in no matter what.  Dartmouth could take away an at large bid from someone if they win the tourney, it is better for us to have them gone.[/quote]Huh?  So you'd rather see fewer ECAC teams in because they haven't earned it?  You obviously don't believe in the validity of a tournament deciding the league champion.  Not that I really disagree, as I've stated many times here.  But I'd much rather see someone get into the tournament on the basis of winning their league's championship, however defined, than on the basis of a set of numerical formulas.

For those who have run the numbers repeatedly, can Dartmouth get an at-large bid?  They're currently 16 with no bonus and tied for 15th with the 3/2/1 bonus.

[KeithK]

Day dreaming at work, I'm trying to picture three Ivy teams making it to Milwaukee.  Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth there would be!  Especially if the fourth team were also from back east.  Pleasant thoughts.

[nyc94]

[quote KeithK]Day dreaming at work, I'm trying to picture three Ivy teams making it to Milwaukee.  Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth there would be!  Especially if the fourth team were also from back east.  Pleasant thoughts.[/quote]

Don't count on much help from Harvard. :-}

[atb9]

[quote KeithK]Day dreaming at work, I'm trying to picture three Ivy teams making it to Milwaukee.  Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth there would be!  Especially if the fourth team were also from back east.  Pleasant thoughts.[/quote]

I was hoping Avash would ask Vaughn about scholarships at his press conference...not sure if he did.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote KeithK]

For those who have run the numbers repeatedly, can Dartmouth get an at-large bid?  They're currently 16 with no bonus and tied for 15th with the 3/2/1 bonus.[/quote]

I just ran one where they got to 14th, but they beat us for the Championship.  So while they would have been at large they didn't need to get that high to make it.  Make sense?

[KeithK]

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82][quote KeithK]

For those who have run the numbers repeatedly, can Dartmouth get an at-large bid?  They're currently 16 with no bonus and tied for 15th with the 3/2/1 bonus.[/quote]

I just ran one where they got to 14th, but they beat us for the Championship.  So while they would have been at large they didn't need to get that high to make it.  Make sense?[/quote]I'd translate this as you haven't found a case where Dartmouth can get an at large bid.

[KeithK]

[quote nyc94][quote KeithK]Day dreaming at work, I'm trying to picture three Ivy teams making it to Milwaukee.  Oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth there would be!  Especially if the fourth team were also from back east.  Pleasant thoughts.[/quote]

Don't count on much help from Harvard. :-}[/quote]I didn't say I thought this was probable or even remotely possible.  I expect Harvard to go one and done, as usual.   Just a pleasant day dream.

[finchphil]

[quote KeithK][quote finchphil]It would also be better if Dartmouth lost to Harvard so it would knock Dartmouth out of the running for the NCAAs.  Just about the only way they get in is to win the ECAC tournament.  Harvard is likely in no matter what.  Dartmouth could take away an at large bid from someone if they win the tourney, it is better for us to have them gone.[/quote]Huh?  So you'd rather see fewer ECAC teams in because they haven't earned it?  You obviously don't believe in the validity of a tournament deciding the league champion.  Not that I really disagree, as I've stated many times here.  But I'd much rather see someone get into the tournament on the basis of winning their league's championship, however defined, than on the basis of a set of numerical formulas.

For those who have run the numbers repeatedly, can Dartmouth get an at-large bid?  They're currently 16 with no bonus and tied for 15th with the 3/2/1 bonus.[/quote]

I think my point out of this is that it looks like Dartmouth has to win the tournament to get in (there may be a way to do it by winning Friday and losing on Saturday, but I haven't seen it).  Which means that if Dartmouth gets in only by winning the tournament, then we don't win it.  Which also could mean that we lose 2 games in this situation.  We lose two games, we might not get in at all.  

So is it better for for Dartmouth to win the tournament and Cornell hope to get in with one or two losses?

Having three IVY teams in the tournament would be great, but for this to happen it appears we would then have to root for Cornell NOT to win the ECAC tournament.

[nyc94]

[quote finchphil][quote KeithK][quote finchphil]It would also be better if Dartmouth lost to Harvard so it would knock Dartmouth out of the running for the NCAAs.  Just about the only way they get in is to win the ECAC tournament.  Harvard is likely in no matter what.  Dartmouth could take away an at large bid from someone if they win the tourney, it is better for us to have them gone.[/quote]Huh?  So you'd rather see fewer ECAC teams in because they haven't earned it?  You obviously don't believe in the validity of a tournament deciding the league champion.  Not that I really disagree, as I've stated many times here.  But I'd much rather see someone get into the tournament on the basis of winning their league's championship, however defined, than on the basis of a set of numerical formulas.

For those who have run the numbers repeatedly, can Dartmouth get an at-large bid?  They're currently 16 with no bonus and tied for 15th with the 3/2/1 bonus.[/quote]

I think my point out of this is that it looks like Dartmouth has to win the tournament to get in (there may be a way to do it by winning Friday and losing on Saturday, but I haven't seen it).  Which means that if Dartmouth gets in only by winning the tournament, then we don't win it.  Which also could mean that we lose 2 games in this situation.  We lose two games, we might not get in at all.  

So is it better for for Dartmouth to win the tournament and Cornell hope to get in with one or two losses?

Having three IVY teams in the tournament would be great, but for this to happen it appears we would then have to root for Cornell NOT to win the ECAC tournament.[/quote]

Again, just so long as Harvard doesn't win it.

[cth95]

I'm not rooting for Harvard.  I'm just rooting against Dartmouth Friday.  Problem solved.  :-)

[KeithK]

OK, I'm in agreement with you.  I'd rather see Cornell win this weekend and Dartmouth go home than Dartmouth win the ECACs and both go to the NCAAs.