Brown at Cornell postgame thread

Rita · January 28, 2006, 12:38:48 AM

at the some-access site (and through the cornell men's hockey schedule/results page, but that means you see the final score, but that doesn't matter in this case).
your subscription includes access to the archived games.
http://allaccess.cstv.com/media/index.jsp?gSportId=14&gSchoolId=700&gMonth=01&gDay=27&gYear=2006&ngSportId=2&ngSchoolId=&ngMonth=null&ngDay=null&ngYear=null

DeltaOne81 · January 28, 2006, 12:39:45 AM

[quote The Rancor]archived where?[/quote]

All Access

canuck89 · January 28, 2006, 12:46:20 AM

Actually, McKee fell because a Brown player put a stick to his face/chest and brought him down. That was the reason for the dispute following the goal. McKee tried to get back to the other side but was not quick enough. That was a clear cut interference call that the ref missed. I am not surprised with Hansen. He just plain sucks.

Rita · January 28, 2006, 01:00:01 AM

I'm surprised that hanson talked to schafer for sooo long after the 3rd brown goal. The team definitely had more than enough time to re-group, re-focus, and maybe schafer's little chat made the ref feel remorse... we got the pp right after, and sasha's goal was a result of the powerplay even though brown was technically back a full strength.

calgARI '07 · January 28, 2006, 01:03:09 AM

[quote canuck89]Actually, McKee fell because a Brown player put a stick to his face/chest and brought him down. That was the reason for the dispute following the goal. McKee tried to get back to the other side but was not quick enough. That was a clear cut interference call that the ref missed. I am not surprised with Hansen. He just plain sucks.[/quote]

very debatable. i was pretty close to the play and it looked as if he just lost his balance with all the traffic around him. if anything, a cornell player tripped him because i saw no Brown players in the crease.

canuck89 · January 28, 2006, 01:27:55 AM

For the most part I would say that it was not on purpose. However, this does not mean that a penalty did not occur. If the player was pushed by us into McKee and body contact occured -- no penalty. However, the stick itself is not considered part of the body (This is why lifting sticks and such is allowed). I am not sure on the rule at that point then as to whether stick-only contact to McKee can be attributed to our defenseman's check (and subsequently be considered legal). Furthermore, as a hockey player myself, the stick is not rigidly attached to the body; if the player was checked towards McKee, it was that player's own decision to leave the stick out rigid like that and swipe him. A stick held loosely in the hands would bounce of Mckee, not go through him.

And to respond to the possibility of losing balance due to traffic, this is still a penalty. As long as a trip/check did not occur, no contact is allowed. If an opposing player skates through the crease and trips over a defenseman (and into the goalie) who was not playing him, that contact is interference.

Oat · January 28, 2006, 01:43:42 AM

[quote billhoward]
David McKee may not have the GAA of last year's Hobey Baker run, but he bailed us out late in the third and in OT.

Ho-hum. Another PPG for Matt Moulson. That's 12 on the year, plus 2 ENGs, plus 1 even strength goal. Makes him dangerous on man-up, but not exactly a 5x5 force in ECACHL hockey. He is real good on defense, though.
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McKee should have made that amazing save every other time as well, because we know he can. He used to make crazy saves like that all the time last year. Well I hope he doesn't allow anymore goals for the rest of this season. Coming into this season I expected him to be nothing less than #1. My expectation still hasn't changed.

Moulson is the undisputed most important player of our team because of his skills, experience, and character.... Although you're right, he is not exactly a 5x5 force. I don't think there is anyone in college hockey who can dominate and terrorize the opponent's defense like Hynes! We have a pair of extremely "bad-ass" defensemen this year. But no one reliable to anchor in front of the crease. Sawada and Bitz like to chase the puck along the board which is a good thing, but they don't really fill the gap that Hynes left. I noticed that Carefoot got beat to the rebounds twice today- once on penalty kill (almost led to a Brown goal) and once on offense. Maybe he was tired tonight.

Oat · January 28, 2006, 01:48:44 AM

[quote billhoward]
David McKee may not have the GAA of last year's Hobey Baker run, but he bailed us out late in the third and in OT.

Ho-hum. Another PPG for Matt Moulson. That's 12 on the year, plus 2 ENGs, plus 1 even strength goal. Makes him dangerous on man-up, but not exactly a 5x5 force in ECACHL hockey. He is real good on defense, though.
[/quote]

McKee should have made that amazing save every other time as well, because we know he can. He used to make crazy saves like that all the time last year. Well I hope he doesn't allow anymore goals for the rest of this season. Coming into this season I expected him to be nothing less than #1. My expectation still hasn't changed.

Moulson is the undisputed most important player of our team because of his skills, experience, and character... Although you're right, he is not exactly a 5x5 force. I don't think there is anyone in college hockey who can brutally dominate and terrorize the opponent's defense like Hynes! We have a pair of extremely "bad-ass" defensemen this year. But no one reliable to stay in front and hammer the crease. Sawada and Bitz like to chase the puck along the board which is a good thing, but that doesn't really fill the gap that Hynes left. I noticed that Carefoot got beat to the rebounds twice today- once on penalty kill (almost led to a Brown goal) and once on offense. Maybe he was tired tonight.

Yale has one really good line and the rest is crap. Schafer should be able prep our guys to handle a team like this easily.

DeltaOne81 · January 28, 2006, 01:51:05 AM

[quote calgARI '07]
very debatable. i was pretty close to the play and it looked as if he just lost his balance with all the traffic around him. if anything, a cornell player tripped him because i saw no Brown players in the crease.[/quote]

I just finished watch the replays of the goals on the All Access archive

1) What poise my Moulson to score that first one

2) Gleed has to learn that the puck's supposed to go in the other net. Or, well, at least to be a little more aware of the puck when he's close to the net. Once is a mistake, twice is starting to be a problem.

3) I don't know if it was interference, but there was both a Brown and a Cornell player that could have been the one to make contact with McKee. Or he coulda just lost his balance. If anything I'd lean toward the Cornell player making the majority of the content, but I couldn't tell anything for sure.

4) Beautiful passing on the tying goal. And nice to see our guys be able to hit the open man in the middle... instead of pucks constantly bouncing over sticks. Seems we finally may've added some down low weapons.

5) OT GWG - I can't tell for sure, but after watching it several times, I'd swear that Sawada took that shot. Abbott came in backhanded, twisted towards Sawada, and never really seemed to take a shot... but Sawada's stick sure took a shooting motion, and the puck landed in the back of the net. Again, I could be wrong, and that would take away McKee's assist

... but I could swear that was Ray's goal.

Oat · January 28, 2006, 01:52:21 AM

i hate my browser (have to blame it on something, right). well i accidently clicked "post message" when i wasn't done typing. so i quickly hit "stop" and i guess i wasn't quick enough. so don't read the first incomplete post.

But yea, stupid firefox.. ::nut::

Josh '99 · January 28, 2006, 02:32:54 AM

[quote Dafatone]The officiating was by far the worst I've seen all year. I can't even begin to describe how horrible. Noncalls both ways, stupid calls... It got to the point where I seriously thought someone was going to get hurt.[/quote]It's not a REAL Cornell-Brown game unless one of our players gets hurt.

Tom Tone · January 28, 2006, 03:03:51 AM

Hanson did give us a gift when he didn't call a blatant spearing against the boards on us during the third period. However, the worst non-call of the night goes to the Brown player who was lying on one of ours and flopping around pretending to get up.

nr53 · January 28, 2006, 03:11:56 AM

i'd have thought that the brown player hooking topher around the neck and not getting called for it was pretty bad, especially when the ref was looking right at the play. That and when one of our guys made his opinion about the matter quite clear a few seconds later he gets called. total bullshit.

Al DeFlorio · January 28, 2006, 07:56:05 AM

[quote DeltaOne815] OT GWG - I can't tell for sure, but after watching it several times, I'd swear that Sawada took that shot. Abbott came in backhanded, twisted towards Sawada, and never really seemed to take a shot... but Sawada's stick sure took a shooting motion, and the puck landed in the back of the net. Again, I could be wrong, and that would take away McKee's assist

... but I could swear that was Ray's goal.[/quote]
Watching it several times, I can see Chris make a forehand motion toward the net with his stick. Sawada seems to make a similar motion simultaneously. Chris's move almost looks like a "skip" in the video, so it's very hard to see.

billhoward · January 28, 2006, 08:27:30 AM

You watched again, rewound, watched the key plays, etcetera? Wouldn't it be nice to have that as part of the all sports package - highlights of each game that you could play apart from the entire game thread?

Cornell ought to be recording this in high-def. Even if the web feed is less than standard def now, someday the archives will be nicer in high-def. Of course, at some point high def is going from 720 lines to 1080 to 2000-something lines (what PC people would call the vertical pixels).

Right now I'd settle for better cameras in standard def. Notice when the Web feed uses broadcast quality cameras, how much better the image quality is.