Refereeing

[Jim Hyla]

[quote David Harding][q]Interference
SECTION 29. a. A player shall not interfere with or impede the progress of an opponent who is not in possession of the puck, or deliberately knock a stick out of an opponent?s hand, or prevent a player who has dropped the stick, or any other piece of equipment from regaining possession of it .
PENALTY - Minor.
[/q][/quote]Which is why some of us were so incensed when Clarkson was playing with our stick.

[daredevilcu]

One could argue that since the Cornell player knocked the Clarkson player's stick into the stands, he could be called for interference as well, so I say it's a good no-call.  But then again, I have the nice green-and-gold-goggles.  There were a lot of hard hits in a physical game by both teams that probably could've been called for contact to the head, roughing, boarding, and other things, and as others have said countless times, it doesn't seem like Chip MacDonald is quite ready to be an ECAC referee.

[nr53]

one might also argue that there is a difference between a stick going over the glass because of a hit and taking a stick from an opposing player. its not like OB threw the Clarkson guy's stick over. that said, its in the past and doesn't really matter now.

[Dpperk29]

I dont know as I would consider the clarkson players stick going into the stands as a result of the hit cornell's fault...

[KeithK]

One could also call it a clever bit of gamesmanship that the Clarkson guy got away with.  More power to him, since this didn't involve any chance of injury.

[CowbellGuy]

Haven't you heard? Any time a Cornell player checks a Clarkson player, it should be a 5+10 DQ now.

[Rich S]

right in line with what you believe when the shoe is on the other foot. :-)

[DeltaOne81]

[quote KeithK]One could also call it a clever bit of gamesmanship that the Clarkson guy got away with.  More power to him, since this didn't involve any chance of injury.[/quote]

Now if he had then taken the stick and used it to shoot a puck into the Cornell bench, would that technically have been O'Bs fault?

[Cisco]

Look -

O'Bryrn did not "deliberately" knock the stick out of the Clarckson goon's hand. In fact, I challenge anyone to try and check someone with the puck, and to deliberately cause the stick to fly into the stand. You can't do it at full speed unless you obviously just grab the stick and throw it - and that's not what happened.

However, when the Golden Goon picked up O'Bryn's stick and played with it, that was most obviously intentional. It's actually incredibly dirty hockey. Not "gamesmanship" and not something "you get away with" at all. I'm quite glad that Cornell taught him  lesson as soon as the puck dropped, the only sad thing was the linesman were around - that Golden Goon deserved to get his face smashed in.

I have never, ever seem someone deliberately pick up and play with someone elses stick. Spearing, I've seen. Cross-Checking, I've seen. Dirty play is one thing, but only a Class A jerk deliberately plays with someone elses stick.

It's no wonder that Schaeffer went balistic.

So Clarckson man - you should just give up this lame defense and admit, your player was moronic, and he deserves to be penalized and punished should he ever try that crap again, anywhere.

[Josh '99]

[quote Cisco]It's no wonder that Schaeffer went balistic. [/quote]S-C-H-A-F-E-R.

[KeithK]

[q]O'Bryrn did not "deliberately"...[/q]O-'-B-Y-R-N-E.

[daredevilcu]

Ok, Cisco, way to post the same thing in two threads when you really didn't need to.  Was it wrong? Sure.  Did O'Byrne deliberately try to knock Sullivan's stick into the stands?  Of course not.  So both those players got into a fight right after that event?  I thought that happened several minutes before the misconducts were handed down to Sullivan and O'Byrne for their little fight (I don't know who started it but I'm sure both were willing participants).

Who was it that buried Dodge's head into the boards late in the 3rd, away from the puck, totally unnecessarily, and got away with an extremely dirty and dangerous hit?  I thought it was O'Byrne, but he might have been in the locker room by that point.  Anyone remember?  Hockey is a physical game, hits happen that look dirty and dangerous, things happen on the ice that shouldn't.  You still won the game, nobody got hurt (thankfully), so lets just all agree that Chip MacDonald sucks and get on with it.  :-)

[oceanst41]

One thing all ECAC fans can agree on!

[Dpperk29]

[quote daredevilcu]
Who was it that buried Dodge's head into the boards late in the 3rd, away from the puck, totally unnecessarily, and got away with an extremely dirty and dangerous hit?  [/quote]

it is my experience as an official (youth hockey up through boys 18 and under) that hits often look much worse from the stands than they really are. I can't count the number of times a player has been legally hit right next to me and parents in the stands go nuts that "his head was driven into the boards." now, I did not see the hit in question, so I will not comment on it, but it is common when a larger player (i.e. O'byrne) hits a smaller player (i.e. Dodge) that it looks like a check to the head has been delivered. unless the elbow/shoulder is deliberatly driven into the head of a player, it is not a penalty. You cannot rightly penalize a player for being too tall to hit the short little kid completely cleanly

[daredevilcu]

Refs didn't have a problem doing it to Nickerson... oh wait... :-P