Schafer Suspended One Game

[Beeeej]

[Q]RichS Wrote:
Acknowledge what Schafer did (the "grabbing") was wrong.

Then clarified:
But, I didn't say you "had" to; it was merely a suggestion.   [/q]

Okay.

Beeeej

[Dafatone]

I agree with everyone that we shouldn't be throwing bottles onto the ice.  But it wasn't any sort of torrential rain of debris, I counted maybe 4 or 5 thrown out there.  Still bad, but I think that's been blown out of proportion a bit.

[Robb]

I wish all those snobs at H-Y-P would stop thinking they're better than everyone so we wouldn't have to hear the "especially from the Ivy League" crap every time someone acts like a human being rather than an angel.  ::rolleyes::

The Ivy League is an athletic conference, nothing more.

I agree that Paula really spun up the "rain of bottles" angle.

[redhair34]

[Q]jy3 Wrote:

 uscho columnists weigh in




i wasnt there...but in my opinion if an opposing coach touches another player then he should be disciplined. that is that. now lets get a bunch of points this weekend, red[/q]

Paula C. Weston, for lack of a better word, is a moron.  

[ben03]

[Q]redhair34 Wrote:
 [Q2]jy3 Wrote:
 uscho columnists weigh in
i wasnt there...but in my opinion if an opposing coach touches another player then he should be disciplined. that is that. now lets get a bunch of points this weekend, red[/Q]
Paula C. Weston, for lack of a better word, is a moron.  [/q]

... and she admits she wasn't even there! this is another example of piss-poor-modern-spin-machine BS that doesn't have all the facts.
throwing crap = bad. raining bottles = wasn't even there. ::help::

[redhair34]

[Q]ben03 Wrote:

 [Q2]redhair34 Wrote:
 [Q2]jy3 Wrote:
 uscho columnists weigh in
i wasnt there...but in my opinion if an opposing coach touches another player then he should be disciplined. that is that. now lets get a bunch of points this weekend, red[/Q]
Paula C. Weston, for lack of a better word, is a moron.  [/Q]
... and she admits she wasn't even there! this is another example of piss-poor-modern-spin-machine BS that doesn't have all the facts.
throwing crap = bad. raining bottles = wasn't even there.[/q]

[Q]To celebrate a hard-fought victory, the Spartan players went to the corner section where their fans were sitting â€" mostly parents of the players â€" and saluted[/Q]

They didn't salute in the corner, they were at the center and facing the students.  She makes absolutely no comment about the taunting by the MSU player, nor does she mention Nightingale shooting a bottle back into the stands.

[Q]From what I know of fan behavior in recent years, I am not surprised by the hail of soda bottles and other materials, although it does sadden me.[/Q]
she should come for an Ithaca winter to get a better understanding of precipitation--I'd be happy to supply the tissues.

[Q]...that civility seems a lost cause in the arenas and rinks around the country, even at the college level, even in the Ivy League.[/Q]
How good of her to to hold the "Ivy League" to a higher standard (read:sarcastic).  I'd have to say the number of MSU players that needed a lesson in "civility" was greater than the number of bottle-throwing losers that needed the same lesson.

[Mission Accomplished]

[Q]Rich S Wrote:

I'm quite sure my understanding of the situation is closer to what took place than your version which you guys spun to characterize the guy as a sort of axe murderer.

Call it whatever you like means just that...it's in the past and you guys are convinced of what happened.[/q]

It was nice seeing you at the game.   ::nut::

[Mission Accomplished]

[Q]Dafatone Wrote:

I counted maybe 4 or 5 thrown out there.[/q]

You can't count!  You can't count!

If you stayed long enough, you would have seen the girls come out with plastic bags to pick up all of the bottles.

Hell, you could spin and say Schafer was trying to protect the MSU players from our fans.

[Beeeej]

My e-mail, sent earlier today:

Hi, Paula -

I'm sure you're tired of hearing from people about the Cornell/MSU "incident," but I wanted to drop in my two cents.  For the record, I was there, I'm a Cornell alum, and I'm ashamed.  However:

First of all, what you referred to as a "hail of soda bottles and other materials" was, at most, four or five plastic bottles.  And none of them came near hitting an MSU player.  It was absolutely inappropriate and inexcusable behavior, but some people have been talking about it as if it rained shards of glass and lugwrenches and MSU's players were in mortal danger.

Second, it was not just in response to the officiating and the final score, it was also in response to some of the MSU players taunting the main Cornell student sections.  What the Spartans apparently don't understand is that 99% of what the Lynah Faithful do is never intended to be personal or vindictive - they love to get into players' heads during the game, but after the game is over, win or lose, they'd also love to go out with their opponents and their opponents' fans for a friendly quaff.  The Spartans and their families, perhaps unused to this kind of enthusiasm - or more pointedly, perhaps used to a more abusive, personal kind of enthusiasm at Yost - seemed to take it personally.  For NCAA Div. I athletes to take pleasure in needling opposing fans after a win - after a *split*, mind you, in which Cornell outplayed them five out of six periods - is a troubling, classless thing.  (And it proved that the Faithful *do* get into *some* players' heads.)

Third, at least one MSU player actually used his stick to shoot one of the bottles back into the crowd.  That the bottle was on the ice in the first place was, as I said, inexcusable, and I hope the students involved were punished - but it's equally inexcusable that this player suffered no consequences for his own behavior.

I will not defend Schafer's actions, but I'm glad you recognize what kind of human being he is.  And thank you for addressing the incident on USCHO.

Beeeej

[Scersk '97]

Bah, bottle throwing is for ninnies.

My best/worst memory of Lynah at near riot is from 1995, when, after a 2-2 tie with accompanying goal dislodging and falling on the puck on their part, RPI players acted like they had just won the damn Stanley Cup.  There was gesturing and throwing of sticks.  I don't remember any bottle or garbage throwing by the fans; instead, there was this bizarre crush towards the zamboni entrance, which was open for the RPI players to leave the ice.  Seriously, sections A and B (and a good number of the pep band) headed down the stands for a throwdown.  Without appropriate behavior by the law enforcement personnel between the groups, I'm not so sure that there wouldn't have been blows.  Maybe it's my imagination, but I remember a chant something like, "See you out-side!"  Fans waited around by the RPI team bus to give them a few more pieces of their minds.  It was unusual behavior to be part of and to observe.  Frankly, it was more than a little scary.

At least MSU had won the game.  Maybe these kids just don't understand that mobs are dangerous.  (C.f., soccer hooliganism.)  After an away win, you should pack up and get the hell off the ice.  Win and leave--then there's nobody for the fans to be angry at except their own team.  That's what Clarkson used to do back in the day:  they were clinical, absolutely clinical.  The difference in emotion between that RPI tie and the 3-1 loss to Erik Cole's Clarkson my senior year was substantial.

[JDeafv]

Actually, one bottle did hit a MSU player (Chris Mueller) in the head.  Chris was standing outside the locker room after being injured in the first period.

Throwing bottles is stupid.

The CCHA and ECACHL columns didn’t mention the part about MSU players yelling obscenities and making crude sexual gestures towards sections A and B as they were getting off the ice.  ::rolleyes::

[LynahFaithfulS]

Robb--I agree with your Ivy league comment...they're probably just jealous that we have more plants growing on our buildings  ::nut::

Beeeej--very well said

redhair34--
I agree with your Ivy League comment too :-)
[Q]They didn't salute in the corner, they were at the center and facing the students.[/Q]
From where I was (sect B) it didn't really seem like the center to me...it did seem to be directed to their fans...but I agree that they should have just left the ice

(and do ovals have corners? ::nut:: ...sorry...i'm just happy it's friday...)

just my 2 cents on the matter

LFS

[Josh '99]

[Q]Scersk '97 Wrote:
Win and leave--then there's nobody for the fans to be angry at except their own team.  That's what Clarkson used to do back in the day:  they were clinical, absolutely clinical.  The difference in emotion between that RPI tie and the 3-1 loss to Erik Cole's Clarkson my senior year was substantial.[/q][nitpick]
Maybe you mean Todd White's Clarkson?  Erik Cole didn't get there until 97-98.
[/nitpick]

[Chris \'03]

[Q]Scersk '97 Wrote:

 Maybe these kids just don't understand that mobs are dangerous.  (C.f., soccer hooliganism.)  [/q]

Of course athletics doesn't know that mobs are dangerous either. (See, ticket line '05)

[Scersk '97]

[Q]jmh30 Wrote:
Maybe you mean Todd White's Clarkson?  Erik Cole didn't get there until 97-98.
[/q]
Young whippersnapper!  Nitpicking won't get you anything... well... but a bunch of... nits.

I forget things.  I blame mad cow.