Recruits...

ben03 · November 21, 2005, 11:32:45 PM

IIRC, bothman is a fan of a team that wears another shade of red::uhoh:: :-)

KeithK · November 22, 2005, 11:45:00 AM

[Q]IIRC, bothman is a fan of a team that wears another shade of red[/q]Yes he is, but a very respectable example of that rare breed.

ben03 · November 22, 2005, 12:40:12 PM

agreed 100% ... wish there were more:-)

pfibiger · November 22, 2005, 04:10:54 PM

Brendon Nash was the #3 star on Sunday with a goal and two assists.


Anthony Romano   AJHL      18   24   18   42
Anthony Romano   Total*      22   32   25   57
Justin Milo   USHL      16   4   7   11
Brendon Nash   BCHL      18   3   14   17 
Colin Greening   BCHL      27   12   18   30   
Blake Gallagher   SJHL      22   16   6   22
Joe Scali   BCHL      27   15   12   27

*NY Bobcats site reports stats for all games played, including non-AJHL games.

CUlater 89 · November 22, 2005, 11:52:53 PM

[Q]LRT Wrote:

Man, Cornell has a team to assemble next season that will be the frickin' envy of the college ranks.[/q]

This is like a rerun from last year, and the year before that and the year before that...

::rolleyes::

How ironic that many of the same people who are killing Schafer for having only one sniper on this year's squad, also spent much of the past few years drooling over the incoming classes.

People, you gotta calm down.

calgARI '07 · November 23, 2005, 01:41:22 AM

[Q]CUlater 89 Wrote:

[Q2]LRT Wrote:

Man, Cornell has a team to assemble next season that will be the frickin' envy of the college ranks.[/Q]
This is like a rerun from last year, and the year before that and the year before that...

How ironic that many of the same people who are killing Schafer for having only one sniper on this year's squad, also spent much of the past few years drooling over the incoming classes.

People, you gotta calm down.[/q]

I don't remember many people getting too excited about last year's recruiting class. Except for Barlow and Connors to a lesser extent, I don't remember very much hype about this year's class either. Next year's recruiting class is among the best in college hockey and among the best I have seen for Cornell in a long time. Does it mean they are definitely going to fulfill the expectations? Of course not, but people have reason to be extremely excited for next year's class.

Trotsky · November 23, 2005, 07:49:18 AM

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

Next year's recruiting class is among the best in college hockey[/q]

Is there an independent, non-Cornell source for this assessment? I'm not saying I disagree; I'm just curious as to why we're singing such high praise for the incoming class. Is there a ranking somewhere, like the rankings of football recruiting classes, that puts us in the top 3-5?

Will · November 23, 2005, 07:57:37 AM

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

[Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:

Next year's recruiting class is among the best in college hockey[/Q]
Is there an independent, non-Cornell source for this assessment? I'm not saying I disagree; I'm just curious as to why we're singing such high praise for the incoming class. Is there a ranking somewhere, like the rankings of football recruiting classes, that puts us in the top 3-5?[/q]

Not yet. I imagine we'll see that sort of thing in the offseason, though.

calgARI '07 · November 23, 2005, 11:20:46 AM

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

[Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:

Next year's recruiting class is among the best in college hockey[/Q]
Is there an independent, non-Cornell source for this assessment? I'm not saying I disagree; I'm just curious as to why we're singing such high praise for the incoming class. Is there a ranking somewhere, like the rankings of football recruiting classes, that puts us in the top 3-5?

Edited 1 times. Last edit at 11/23/05 07:49AM by Trotsky.[/q]

Well yes. Heisenberg ranks the college eligible players. He has Milo as fourth in the entire USHL ahead of players from UND, Michigan, Minnesota, Maine, CC, etc. He has Gallagher ranked #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan. He has Greening 6th among BCHL forwards and Nash 4th among BCHL defensemen. He has Romano as 4th among players from Mass/New England. Heisenberg may not be that much of a reliable source but his rankings in the past (particularly for the east) have been pretty accurate.
I've also seen Milo, Romano, and Greening play. Milo is unlike any player I have seen at Cornell. He is extremely dangerous offensively with a better release than any player I have ever seen at the college level. Romano plays at low level so it should be interesting to see how he adjusts but his numbers indicate that he has totally dominated that level. The fact that both he and Milo made the Viking Cup team also are pretty good indications that these guys are not just flash in the pan recruits. Romano has Vesce-like vision and instincts with the puck.
I have spoken with pretty reliable sources who have seen Gallagher and Scali play. Gallagher is getting a tremendous amount of hype in western Canada and considering that he'll likely be drafted in the first few rounds of next year's draft for a Junior player of his size that says something. Scali will be like Mugford with more speed and more offense. Haven't heard anything about Nash, but he has good size and good offensive numbers which don't mean a whole lot, but his numbers are far better than O'Byrne and Pokuluk at that level, although comparable to Krantz. Nash is younger than Krantz at that level and is being well-regarded by scouts for the upcoming draft. I have a good feeling about him.
Back to Heisenberg's rankings. The players committed so far this year for Cornell as far as where he ranks them are most comparable to the graduating class of 2003, albeit that class had three defensemen in it.
Of course all this hype won't matter if they can't live up to it.

CTUCK1 · November 23, 2005, 12:27:47 PM

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

[Q2]Trotsky Wrote:

[Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:

Next year's recruiting class is among the best in college hockey[/Q]
Is there an independent, non-Cornell source for this assessment? I'm not saying I disagree; I'm just curious as to why we're singing such high praise for the incoming class. Is there a ranking somewhere, like the rankings of football recruiting classes, that puts us in the top 3-5?

Edited 1 times. Last edit at 11/23/05 07:49AM by Trotsky.[/Q]
Well yes. Heisenberg ranks the college eligible players. He has Milo as fourth in the entire USHL ahead of players from UND, Michigan, Minnesota, Maine, CC, etc. He has Gallagher ranked #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan. He has Greening 6th among BCHL forwards and Nash 4th among BCHL defensemen. He has Romano as 4th among players from Mass/New England. Heisenberg may not be that much of a reliable source but his rankings in the past (particularly for the east) have been pretty accurate.
I've also seen Milo, Romano, and Greening play. Milo is unlike any player I have seen at Cornell. He is extremely dangerous offensively with a better release than any player I have ever seen at the college level. Romano plays at low level so it should be interesting to see how he adjusts but his numbers indicate that he has totally dominated that level. The fact that both he and Milo made the Viking Cup team also are pretty good indications that these guys are not just flash in the pan recruits. Romano has Vesce-like vision and instincts with the puck.
I have spoken with pretty reliable sources who have seen Gallagher and Scali play. Gallagher is getting a tremendous amount of hype in western Canada and considering that he'll likely be drafted in the first few rounds of next year's draft for a Junior player of his size that says something. Scali will be like Mugford with more speed and more offense. Haven't heard anything about Nash, but he has good size and good offensive numbers which don't mean a whole lot, but his numbers are far better than O'Byrne and Pokuluk at that level, although comparable to Krantz. Nash is younger than Krantz at that level and is being well-regarded by scouts for the upcoming draft. I have a good feeling about him.
Back to Heisenberg's rankings. The players committed so far this year for Cornell as far as where he ranks them are most comparable to the graduating class of 2003, albeit that class had three defensemen in it.
Of course all this hype won't matter if they can't live up to it.[/q]

Ari,

I know Greening is a power forward, but having seen him play who will he remind us of? Sawada? Hynes? Baby? None of the above?

Trotsky · November 23, 2005, 02:06:13 PM

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:
Well yes. Heisenberg ranks the college eligible players. He has Milo as fourth in the entire USHL ahead of players from UND, Michigan, Minnesota, Maine, CC, etc. He has Gallagher ranked #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan. He has Greening 6th among BCHL forwards and Nash 4th among BCHL defensemen. He has Romano as 4th among players from Mass/New England.[/q]

Ari,

Could you go back to the 2000 rankings and give us the matching Heisenberg ranked players? We could then see who panned out and approximately what we're talking about. Personally, I don't know whether #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan equals Doug Ferguson or Bob Ferguson. ::help::

redhair34 · November 23, 2005, 02:42:22 PM

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

[Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:
Well yes. Heisenberg ranks the college eligible players. He has Milo as fourth in the entire USHL ahead of players from UND, Michigan, Minnesota, Maine, CC, etc. He has Gallagher ranked #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan. He has Greening 6th among BCHL forwards and Nash 4th among BCHL defensemen. He has Romano as 4th among players from Mass/New England.[/Q]
Ari,

Could you go back to the 2000 rankings and give us the matching Heisenberg ranked players? We could then see who panned out and approximately what we're talking about. Personally, I don't know whether #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan equals Doug Ferguson or Bob Ferguson. [/q]

I think it's tough to use Heisenberg's rankings for class to class comparison's. Strength or depth by region/league changes from year to year. If you look at this year's graduating class when Heisenberg rated them, a lot of the top prospects in each region/leage panned out.
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MASSACHUSETTS/NEW ENGLAND
Ben Lovejoy-RD
Jamie Sifers-RD
Hugh Jessiman-RW
Danny Spang-LD
Mike Morris-RW
Bryan Horan-RC
Marvin Degon-RD
Dan Murphy-LW
Torry Gajda-LW
John Laliberte-LC
Garrett Overlock-RD
Brian Yandle-RD

MINNESOTA/Mid-West
Gino Guyer-LW
Zack Parise-RC
Andy Sertich-C
Tyler Hirsch-RW

USNDP
Patrick Eaves-RC
Brett Sterling-LW
Mark Stuart-LD
Steve Werner-RW

USHL
Tomas Vanek-RW
Brett Skinner-LD
Vince Bellissimo-RC
Danny Richmond-D
Marty Sertich-LC
Joe Jensen-LC
Chris Collins-LW
John Zeiler-RW
Dirk Southern-RC
Joey Crabb-RC
Michael Hutchins-LD
Eric Przepiorka-LC
John Snowden-C
Jake MicFlikier-C
Nate Guenin-RD
Tom Gilbert-RD
Jeff Genovy-LC
Quinn Fylling-RW
David Backes-LC
Brad Zancanaro-RC
Matt Greene-RD

NAHL
Danny Knapp-RC
Chris Conner-RW
Bryan Marshall-LC
Jason Tejchma-LC
Andy Greene-LD
Jamie Milam-RD
Peter Harrold-RD

OHL
Matt Moulson-C
Jesse Boucher-LW
Brent Walton-RW
Jeff Hristovski-C
Jonathan Lehun-LW
Rick Janco-RD
Dale Good-LD
T.J. Trevelyan-LW
Stephen Dennis-RD
Tyler McGregor-RW
Adam Hogg-LW
Brandon Harker-RC
Chris Gill-LW
Daniel Pegoraro-LC
Colton Fretter-RW
Sylvain Moreau-RD
Tim Vokey-LC
Peter Kennedy-LD
Josh Soares-C
Derek MacKay-LW
Jon Smyth-LW

SASKATCHEWAN /MANITOBA
Ryan MacMurchy-RC
Gary Houseman-LW
Justin Tetrault-RC
Andrew Joudrey-LW
Gio Flamminio-RD
Shawn Langen-RW
Garett Cameron-LW
Geoff Waugh-RD
Steve Later-LD

ALBERTA JUNIOR HOCKEY LEAGUE
Brett Pilkington-LC
Ryan Barnett-LC
Brock Becker-LC
Kevin Croxton-RW
Charlie Johnson-LW
Braydon Cox-LC
Sean Offers-LD

BCHL
Jeff Tambellini-LC
Gabe Gauthier-LC
Dave Van der Gulik-LW
Kyle Hood-RD
Alex Nikiforuk-RC
Ben Walter-LC
Brad Farynuk-LD
Nathan Oystrick-LD
Kyle Greentree-LW
Mike Ouellette-RC
David Morelli-C
Jarret Sampson-LW
Andrew Ebbett-LW
Shane Hynes-RW
Brett Hemingway-RW
Rod Pelley-LW
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The Saskatchewan and Alberta recruits didn't pan out to much. These leagues appear to be at least historically, weaker than the others. For the most part the rest of the top recruits in the other leagues succeeded (do not read "reached potential") in college.

redhair34 · November 23, 2005, 02:49:27 PM

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:
I don't know whether #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan equals Doug Ferguson or Bob Ferguson. [/q]

That is definitely a fair question/point. At least recently, the top 3 or so recruits in those regions haven't amounted to much. The only current player who fits that category (top three recruits) that I even recognize is Andrew Journey a forward playing for Wisconson. So I think for Saskatchewan and Manitoba, the Heisenberg rankings are a poor prediction of future success.

However, according to USCHO posters, Gallagher was aggressively recruited by both Maine and UNH. I think that is a pretty good indication of his upside.

calgARI '07 · November 23, 2005, 03:50:35 PM

He is sort of different than any of them, but I would imagine his game has changed playing at a higher level than when I saw him play. I would say a combination of Baby and Hynes. He makes more plays than Hynes (more like Baby in this regard) but has the same physical upside as him. He definitely has good upside with his size and offensive ability. I think he and Scali will fit in well with Barlow, Mugford, and Kindret on the left side.

[Q]CTUCK1 Wrote:

[Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:

[Q2]Trotsky Wrote:

[Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:

Next year's recruiting class is among the best in college hockey[/Q]
Is there an independent, non-Cornell source for this assessment? I'm not saying I disagree; I'm just curious as to why we're singing such high praise for the incoming class. Is there a ranking somewhere, like the rankings of football recruiting classes, that puts us in the top 3-5?

Edited 1 times. Last edit at 11/23/05 07:49AM by Trotsky.[/Q]
Well yes. Heisenberg ranks the college eligible players. He has Milo as fourth in the entire USHL ahead of players from UND, Michigan, Minnesota, Maine, CC, etc. He has Gallagher ranked #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan. He has Greening 6th among BCHL forwards and Nash 4th among BCHL defensemen. He has Romano as 4th among players from Mass/New England. Heisenberg may not be that much of a reliable source but his rankings in the past (particularly for the east) have been pretty accurate.
I've also seen Milo, Romano, and Greening play. Milo is unlike any player I have seen at Cornell. He is extremely dangerous offensively with a better release than any player I have ever seen at the college level. Romano plays at low level so it should be interesting to see how he adjusts but his numbers indicate that he has totally dominated that level. The fact that both he and Milo made the Viking Cup team also are pretty good indications that these guys are not just flash in the pan recruits. Romano has Vesce-like vision and instincts with the puck.
I have spoken with pretty reliable sources who have seen Gallagher and Scali play. Gallagher is getting a tremendous amount of hype in western Canada and considering that he'll likely be drafted in the first few rounds of next year's draft for a Junior player of his size that says something. Scali will be like Mugford with more speed and more offense. Haven't heard anything about Nash, but he has good size and good offensive numbers which don't mean a whole lot, but his numbers are far better than O'Byrne and Pokuluk at that level, although comparable to Krantz. Nash is younger than Krantz at that level and is being well-regarded by scouts for the upcoming draft. I have a good feeling about him.
Back to Heisenberg's rankings. The players committed so far this year for Cornell as far as where he ranks them are most comparable to the graduating class of 2003, albeit that class had three defensemen in it.
Of course all this hype won't matter if they can't live up to it.[/Q]
Ari,

I know Greening is a power forward, but having seen him play who will he remind us of? Sawada? Hynes? BÃ¢by? None of the above?

[/q]

calgARI '07 · November 23, 2005, 03:55:30 PM

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

[Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:
Well yes. Heisenberg ranks the college eligible players. He has Milo as fourth in the entire USHL ahead of players from UND, Michigan, Minnesota, Maine, CC, etc. He has Gallagher ranked #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan. He has Greening 6th among BCHL forwards and Nash 4th among BCHL defensemen. He has Romano as 4th among players from Mass/New England.[/Q]
Ari,

Could you go back to the 2000 rankings and give us the matching Heisenberg ranked players? We could then see who panned out and approximately what we're talking about. Personally, I don't know whether #1 in all of Manitoba and Saskatchewan equals Doug Ferguson or Bob Ferguson. [/q]

I don't have time to look now but Heisenberg has generally been more accurate with his eastern rankings than western. He had Moulson as the top Ontario skater IIRC, McKee as the top NAHL goaltender, LeNeveu as the top BCHL goaltender, the McRae's were pretty high, Vesce as well. Murray and Baby were not as high as they turned out to be, however. That is all off the top of my head though - I'll look at them later when I get the chance.