[OT Lax] Cornell lacrosse vs. Hobart

[JT]

Does that mean we play AT duke in the 2ndround?

[Hillel Hoffmann]

It's upsetting that Cornell has to travel.

But it could be worse. I'd rather play at Towson than host Syracuse.

[dadeo]

no that means we play duke at princeton in the qf's if we beat towson

[Jordan 04]

[Q]JT Wrote:

 Does that mean we play AT duke in the 2ndround?[/q]

2nd round is neutral site, no?

I think we were headed to Princeton if we win.

[Hillel Hoffmann]

[Q]JT Wrote:

 Does that mean we play AT duke in the 2ndround?[/q]
No, the quarterfinals are played at two neutral sites: Princeton and Johns Hopkins. The audio feed didn't reveal where CU's bracket would be sending its winners, but I'd guess Princeton.

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]Hillel Hoffmann Wrote:

 [Q2]JT Wrote:

 Does that mean we play AT duke in the 2ndround?[/Q]
No, the quarterfinals are played at two neutral sites: Princeton and Johns Hopkins. The audio feed didn't reveal where CU's bracket would be sending its winners, but I'd guess Princeton.

[/q]
Yeah, we'd go to Princeton. The video showed that.

[Al DeFlorio]

What it shows is they followed the criteria--flawed though it may be--just as they laid it out.  Dartmouth's RPI and strength-of-schedule were just too low.

[DeltaOne81]

Okay, but what about the quality wins? Which is either the *only* criteria, or the primary criteria? How did they match up there, how did we?

[Hillel Hoffmann]

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

 What it shows is they followed the criteria--flawed though it may be--just as they laid it out.  Dartmouth's RPI and strength-of-schedule were just too low.[/q]
Yeah. Although those two criteria (RPI and SOS) are allegedly tertiary and secondary, right? I figured that Dartmouth's wins against Maryland, Notre Dame, etc. would get them in the tourney, and the latter stuff would keep 'em unseeded.

[MNetravali]

... to be a Towson player.  Imagine getting a #7 seed and having to face the #3 team in the country.   That's gotta hurt!  I wonder if they'll drive up watch us play Duke in round 2.

As an side, I was watching us beat Harvard in the ECAC title game at a sports bar in Chapel Hill, NC and Coach Tambroni was there enjoying the game aa few tables away.  How funny seeing him there, but nice to see him supporting the icers.

[Josh '99]

I'm confused.  Towson doesn't even have any quality wins.  They have LOSSES to three teams in the top 5 RPI (Hopkins, UVA, UMD) and one in the top 15 (Delaware).  I'm genuinely expecting to hear that this was a typo or something.

[Chris 02]

seed    team           poll  laxpower comp. ranking
  1 Johns Hopkins       1           1
  2 Duke                2           2 
  3 Maryland            6           5
  4 Virginia            5           3
  5 (AQ) Navy           4           10
  6 Georgetown          7           11
  7 (AQ) Towson        11           12
  8 Massachusetts       8           8
  9 Syracuse            9           9
 10 (AQ) Cornell        3           4          <------------
 11 Army               10           21
 12 Delaware           16           18 
 13 (AQ) Albany        17           17
 14 Penn State         15           24
 15 (AQ) Fairfield     17           28
 16 (AQ) Marist       unk.          45

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]Chris 02 Wrote:

seed    team           poll  laxpower comp. ranking
  1 Johns Hopkins       1           1
  2 Duke                2           2
  3 Maryland            6           5
  4 Virginia            5           3
  5 (AQ) Navy           4           10
  6 Georgetown          7           11
  7 (AQ) Towson        11           12
  8 Massachusetts       8           8
  9 Syracuse            9           9
 10 (AQ) Cornell        3           4          <------------
 11 Army               10           21
 12 Delaware           16           18
 13 (AQ) Albany        17           17
 14 Penn State         15           24
 15 (AQ) Fairfield     17           28
 16 (AQ) Marist       unk.          45[/q]
Neither of these "rankings" are part of the NCAA's criteria.  Check RPI and strength-of-schedule rankings--which are part of the NCAA criteria--here:

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/page.cfm?pagerid=2&news=fdetail&storyid=88607

[peterg]

[Q]jmh30 Wrote:

 I'm confused.  Towson doesn't even have any quality wins.  They have LOSSES to three teams in the top 5 RPI (Hopkins, UVA, UMD) and one in the top 15 (Delaware).  I'm genuinely expecting to hear that this was a typo or something.[/q]

It does not appear that Towson has any top 15 quality wins.  Very interesting seeding.

http://216.50.65.17/RPI_Quality_Wins.htm

[DeltaOne81]

Towson beat #15 and #16 as far as I can see (Delaware and Hofstra), but it doesn't seem those would overcome #6 and #14 (Syracuse and N.D.), now does it?

*This*, ladies and gentlemen, is why a system like PWR, flawed as it may be, beats back room smoke and mirror hands down, any day. I really think, as a friend of mine has said, the "Princeton was no good this year, so the Ivies must suck" factor explains this.

You can say they went on RPI, but then how do you explain Dartmouth's royal screw job? #13 in RPI, clearly #13 or better in quality wins, and no bid. It's the good old boys in the backroom giving it to their friends Syracuse and the southern crowd. You can use whatever logic you want, they do what they want.

To be fair, we maybe didn't deserve a home game last year, so we could say that it evens out, but doing things wrong twice don't make it fair.