How To Be a Good Fan

[Beeeej]

Gotta say, I agree with Facetimer (gah!)... you thought Ithaca was lame, so you went to POTSDAM?!

As for "I would've gotten in," what makes you think you were so guaranteed?  The overwhelming majority of applicants for Cornell had similar or better credentials.  Did you have photos of Cornell's president sodomizing kittens or something?  'cause otherwise, you're blowing smoke.  I can respect your decision not to apply, but "I would've gotten in" is pure bunk.

Beeeej

[Richter547]

To get back to the subject, (i dunno how this thread went from fan etiquete (sp?) to why we pick certain schools),I think the basic message CowbellGuy wanted to send out was that its pretty sad to see the state Clarkson is in with its fans. I used to go to a couple games in the '90s and at that time games would be sold-out well before doors opened. But I guess that's what you get after 3 years of sub-par regular season play, a firing of a coach, and a recent clubbing from SLU(t).  Basically, I think I would give kudos to the Clarkson Pep Band in an attempt to at least get their fans to stand up and cheer along.

[jeh25]

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 I did realize that my example wasn't exactly what you asked about.

[Q2]Did this case actually go to court or did the Ivies and MIT fold their tents and steal away?[/Q]
I'm pretty sure it did actualy go to court and the schools lost.  I don't remember how high it went.[/q]

U.S. District Court.

Ivies bailed via a consent decree where they agreed to stop without admitting liability. MIT refused to settle and lost.

Curiously, the consent decree specifically excludes athletes from the ban. Whether or not the Ivies actually take advantage of this exception is a separate issue.

[ganderson]

[Q]jy3 Wrote:

 [Q2]
I disagree with one thing in particular...any top goalie who is focused and on his game, might "hear" the fans yelling BUT they block it out.  Actually, most players do that.  As a former goalie and current coach, I believe that heckling is overrated re: upsetting players, but if it gets the fans into the game, so be it. [/Q]
well we know that a certain dartmouth college goaltender whose name is quite similar to that of a waterboy turned devilsgame i mean football player was ALWAYS able to block out the cheers of section A

i laugh every time i think about that goal...[/q]

Every time I think about that goal I start to laugh... then I remember that several seconds later Dartmouth skated out of Lynah victorious.  Again.    ::yark::

[JFK35]

Well I agree with the fellow Clarkson posts up here so far. I also think that our pepband has done everything in our power to try and make things better. But I need to make one point very well known. It's not a huge problem of spirit, it's a problem of numbers. Cornell has about twice as many if not more regular fans than we do, and it definetly shows. I would bet money that if Clarkson and cornell each had the same number of fans, and their regular pep band, we would be better. Disagree if you want to, but I think it's a pretty valid point.

[daredevilcu]

How about, I'm confident I could convince them in an interview.  Anyway, that's completely beside the point and I didn't mean to turn this into a hypothetical discussion over whether or not I could have gotten into Cornell.  I don't THINK Ithaca is lame -- I KNOW Ithaca is lame.  I needed to go to school somewhere more than 20 minutes from my house or I would've gone crazy, that's probably the biggest reason for not even trying to go to Cornell.  Why does it matter though?  If you're happy at Cornell, fine.  I'm happy at Clarkson.  It's great up here as long as you avoid townies.  If I hadn't worked at Wegmans in Ithaca for when all you Cornellians come back and seen it first hand, I might believe that Ithaca is better when you avoid townies.  Instead, I know Ithaca is much better in the summer.  I know that I'm stereotyping, and I'm sure this probably doesn't apply to you, but most of the Cornell students come through with credit cards their parents pay off and buy the dumbest things known to man, and are extremely rude to me and others while doing it, so whatever.  Back to talking about hockey fans.

[daredevilcu]

That's cool, something I didn't know about the Ivies.  I'm sure there's a lot more, but the league IV belief seems to be pretty common to those who haven't studied at one of the Ivy League schools.

[daredevilcu]

Personally, I love the development of this thread.  The rivalry really shows through at some points, but it also shows that we CAN coexist and we don't (at least not all the time) hate each other.

[Dpperk29]

Ditto on the ithaca is better in the summer comment. I live in dryden. Ithaca has been miserable during the school year for along time. Traffic is worse... especially on the first snowy day. Seems pampered students from warmer climates have no clue how to go slow on icy roads. and nothing like putting groceries in a BMW that some spoiled student is driving on rich mommie and daddies dime when I am working for minimum wage driving a beat up ford.

[KeithK]

As someone who wanted to go to school outside of NYC even though I grew up there and absolutely love the place (my Dad wanted me to go to Columbia) I can completely understand why you would want to get the heck out of Dodge for college, even if Ithaca wasn't lame.

For the record, Cornell doesn't require an admissions interview so I'm not sure how much effect convincing them in the interview would have.  An alum called me to schedule an interview my senior year in high school and I told the person that I didn't want to have one.  Nine years later I finally left campus...

[billhoward]

[Q]JFK35 Wrote:  Well I agree with the fellow Clarkson posts up here so far. I also think that our pepband has done everything in our power to try and make things better. But I need to make one point very well known. It's not a huge problem of spirit, it's a problem of numbers. Cornell has about twice as many if not more regular fans than we do, and it definetly shows. I would bet money that if Clarkson and cornell each had the same number of fans, and their regular pep band, we would be better. Disagree if you want to, but I think it's a pretty valid point. [/q]Cute username. Ahsk not what your team can do for you ...

Let's get this right: Cornell has twice as many, maybe more, fans than Clarkson. And Cornell has a better pep band. But if Clarkson had those extra fans (ignoring for a moment the last 836 of them would have to stand outside Cheel Arena and wait for someone to pass along the game scores), and if it had use of Cornell's pep band or something equivalent, Clarkson would be in better shape than Cornell.

Actually, there's another similarity, heading into round one of the ECAC playoffs: This weekend, both Cheel and Lynah are dark.

Then there's this difference: When caps land on the ice at Lynah, it's to honor Matt Moulson's three goals. This is called a hat trick. We don't get many of them, but we still seem to win. Up in Clarkson-land, when a hat lands on the ice, the players check inside the sweatband to see if there's bail money.

BTW, how many posts were there today on eCheel.com?

OK, we'll give you this one: The Clarkson goal cam is pretty neat. Cornell seems to actively discourage good pictures - sorry, good Cornell-official pictures - from circulating.

[billhoward]

[Q]daredevilcu Wrote: I know that I'm stereotyping, and I'm sure this probably doesn't apply to you, but most of the Cornell students come through with credit cards their parents pay off and buy the dumbest things known to man, and are extremely rude to me and others while doing it, so whatever.[/q]If we had contact, most eLynah fans would never be rude to you. But then, we pump our own.

[daredevilcu]

How many times does Cornell's band practice per week?  For how long?  How many cheers are started by the band at Lynah?  Bottom line is, your band was weak for cheers without the Lynah Faithful.  They apparently attempted a "Clarkson.... SUCKS" chant that I never heard, and although I will give them credit for being original and yelling "Disco Tech" - it was garbled and quiet.  Clarkson's band starts nearly every cheer at Cheel and is the life of the student section.  I wish we didn't have to be, even though it's fun doing it.

There's no eCheel.com -- but we do post on other message boards about the hockey team.  Sadly (somewhat), they're not accessible to Cornell students.  It's moderately sad because I can see how much conversation has been drummed up on this board by our posts.  I can only imagine the same thing would happen if the board we use were accessible to you.

To fill Lynah completely with students (4,000 approx) would take maybe 1/3 of Cornell's enrollment.  To fill Cheel completely (4,000 approx) would take all 3500 students including grad students, plus 500 more faculty and townies.  He's saying if Clarkson were the same size school as Cornell, it's much more likely we'd have a bigger fan base.  How can you argue with that?

When caps landed on Cheel ice, it was to honor a Latulippe hat trick earlier this season against Dartmouth.

[daredevilcu]

Which is why I said this probably doesn't apply to you -- and I meant you as in hockey fans.  I never got into hockey until I got to Clarkson, and it seems that hockey fans are some of the most down-to-earth, polite, and sensible people when you get them away from the rink.  Once they get near that ice though... watch out.

[Beeeej]

...as is the belief at about forty-seven different colleges and universities of varying caliber that they were once "invited" to join the Ivy League and "declined."

Beeeej