Who stole whose cheers?

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:
Another question:  When exactly did the student section start standing for the games?[/q]

Beeeej can tell you.  It's his fault. :-}

[David Harding]

[Q]jkahn Wrote:

 Correcting my earlier post, it certainly could have been '70 when I first heard "sieve" from those 100 Wisconsin crazies.  By '72 and then '73 their ranks seemed to grow to about 3000, and so the long, slow "sieve" cheer, which they carried on in unison in Boston Garden for probably two full minutes is emblazoned in my mind more than their '70 chants.  I know we enjoyed the enthusiasm of their fans in '70, and their numbers were limited basically by the allotment of only 100 tickets per team.  The old arena in Placid only sat about 1500 (it was a really stupid place to hold the tournament) and the rest had been pre-sold, almost all to Cornell fans who correctly assumed we would be there.[/q]

In my day, the only tournament I managed to travel to was the NCAA in '73.  By that time the Lynah crowd was doing a locomotive style "seive, seive, seive" that seemed to build speed with every repetition.  The long, slow "s..e..i..v..e, s..e..i..v..e, s..e..i..v..e" that filled Boston Garden was really haunting.  I can still hear the eerie chant filling every nook and cranny.  I was left wondering why we couldn't do that at Lynah, rather than the rapid fire version that now seemed lame by comparison.

[RichH]

[Q]Robb Wrote:

 I can narrow down the standing students a little more.  I'm positive when I went to my first game in the fall of '90, my brother ('92) explained to me that the students stood until after the first goal.  The next few years saw some home shutouts (3 in 92-93!) and undoubtedly some other games where it took Cornell forever to score, so we just kind of started standing for the whole game.

Not sure when the transition from sitting to standing-until-the-first-goal took place.[/q]
Well, by my freshman year (that oh-so-painful '92-'93 year), the stand-all-game standard was in place.

And to respond to several other posts in this thread, the current cadence of the goal celebration is done in-tempo with Davy, which itself is up-tempo.  It's an understandable phenomenon, although I feel the slow count would certainly be even more intimidating.  In addition, when I was a student, there was no set way to get from the "sieve" chant to "It's all your fault."  Sieves just petered out, and then "fault" would pick up very disorganized and slower.  Today, 'sieve' is done exactly 7 times, which leads to a much more organized 'fault' right in tempo.  While it seems robotic at first, it leads to a very unified version all around the rink.

It's also interesting to observe the evolution of the cheers between Lynah and Yost since that fork-in-the-road point of 1991.  'Ahhhhhh....See ya!' was the one cheer stolen by us from Michigan that trip (it was stolen by them from Duke squeakball), and both places have added on tags to it, both similarly vulgar.  Though Yost has quite a long list of things to say, including one bit involving former a Colgate player named Wildfong.  Our tags started being added around 1994.  

For the goal chant, Michigan waits for the band to scream "ready!!" before doing a count-off, and then their call is a very stupid (IMO) "We want moooooooooooore GOALS!!!!"

In the mid-90s, "winning team" was done in addition to "nah nah nah nah hey hey hey goodbye" and the "goodnight ladies" varient that Schafer specifically asked to be ended.

If you listen both during warmups and right before the puck drops, the band usually does a very slow beginning to the "sieve" chant.  But like everything else, the rest of the students usually speed up to their preferred speed.

the "we're gonna beat...." lyrics to Gary Glitter first started in the '97 playoff run.  A certain small group of fans in B started saying it (no idea where they got it from), and it didn't really catch on until the following season.  A friend of mine figured out what the original group of fans were chanting when we saw them shirtless with "G-O C-O-R-N-E-L-L" painted on their chests in the balcony in Lake Placid in 1997.  The band didn't even start playing that song until 1995.  The "You suck!" in Gary Glitter has just emerged in the last 2-3 seasons.

Also today, you see a real attempt at unifying the chants from A-B and D-G.  In the early-mid '90s, F-H were usually very empty, and B was definitely the place to be.  The past few years, it has been loud all around the student sections, which is great to see.   I really see C as a road-block in unifying the student section now, and it's too bad.  It's why D-G usually can't get a hold of the cowbell/Gary Glitter tempos.

This year, "see ya" seems to start as soon as the penalty is whistled with a sustained "ooooooohhhhh!!!" which is, IMO, more effective and intimidating than the previous crescendo and rising-pitch type start (see "Live At Lynah" for an example).

Remote-control goalie (aka "skate skate tuuuurn...bend over") sort of evolved with the band's habit of remote-controling the rink staff as they shoveled up the remnants of the zamboni in the late '90s.  Section A picked up on various idiosynchrocies and rituals of certain sieves and started "controling" them.  It spread around the rink, but the current classes only care about telling him to "bend over" and cheering with glee at it.

I can't remember when the "Macho Man" incident with the SLU(t) "sweater guy" happened, but I'm guessing 4 years ago.  And the Gary Glitter aerobics clap move just started happening last season, as did the whole "no shirts in the 3rd" thing.

Anyway, as you can probably tell, I find the evolution of student cheers (both good and bad) somewhat fascinating.  I've always held Lynah as one of the best remaining examples of oral tradition in our society.

[ben03]

[Q]RichH Wrote:
 ... The "You suck!" in Gary Glitter has just emerged in the last 2-3 seasons ...[/q]
This began during the '01-'02 season with a small group (maybe 4-5 ... my 2 roommates and younger brother among others) in section A directly in front of the band, it gradually caught on by the end of the season. By start of the '02-'03 season that small group had split up and moved to all differnt places throughout Lynah, but mostly in the middle of section B (again my roommates and younger brother). At this point, you can see how it spread and has grown into it's current incarnation.

[ben03]

[Q]RichH Wrote:
I can't remember when the "Macho Man" incident with the SLU(t) "sweater guy" happened, but I'm guessing 4 years ago.[/q]
The inspiration for this (IMO, stupid cheer) began on January 27, 2001 at Lynah during a convincing 6-3 beating at the hands of SLU(t). At which time the guy in the V-neck sweater, sitting in section O, kept pumping his arms (aka the current students) when anything good would happen for the Saints. He was subsequently mocked by some upset folks in A and B. Not sure when the band added “Mocho Man” to their list but this is where dubiousness emanates.
BTW ... my offer to the current conductor of a few hundred $$$ to burn all copies of that song still stands :-P

[Newman]

[Q]RichH Wrote:

as did the whole "no shirts in the 3rd" thing.[/q]

The shirtless third period definitely dates at least to the 1998-99 season, when I was last in Ithaca with season tickets, and it was going on amongst a group of guys in the row behind me.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]RichH Wrote:
the "we're gonna beat...." lyrics to Gary Glitter first started in the '97 playoff run.  A certain small group of fans in B started saying it (no idea where they got it from), and it didn't really catch on until the following season.  A friend of mine figured out what the original group of fans were chanting when we saw them shirtless with "G-O C-O-R-N-E-L-L" painted on their chests in the balcony in Lake Placid in 1997. [/q]

I think that was when the second half of that started.  I have a bootleg tape from Lake Placid in 1996 where you can hear part of the band saying "We're gonna beat the hell outta you!  One, two, one-two-three-four!"

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[Q]Steve Marciniec '85 Wrote:

I can lay claim to adding the BORING cheer to go with holding up the newspapers.  I first got it going at the '86 ECACs in Boston in the middle of the 2nd period of the Harvard Yale consolation game while we were waiting our championship game against Clarkson to start.  Didn't steal that one from anyone. [/q]

I like it.  During the '81 tourney, we got an "It just doesn't matter" cheer (from "Meatballs") going during the consolation.  It was equally effective and probably as much fun.  :-P

[kaelistus]

The "We're going to beat..." part HAS to be older than 97. I've been watching Cornell hockey since the beginning of the 96-97 season, and I don't remember a time without that cheer.

[Beeeej]

No, it's at least as much the fault of the '91-'93 teams who allowed shutouts at home.  :-P

Beeeej

[Jacob '06]

I remember posts on here before that this (rough em up) is a pretty common cheer amongst a few basketball schools and it might have started at maryland.

[Jordan 04]

...and is ending at Maryland.

http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamondback/archives/2004/09/02/news1.html

And we thought we had it bad with administration/athletics crackdowns...

[Jordan 04]

And some additional follow-up.  http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamondback/archives/2004/10/26/news5.html

[ben03]

Let's hope the folks in athletics don't get any bright ideas ... ::rolleyes::

[dss28]

A friend of mine who attended Boulder told me that they do the "We're gonna beat the hell outta you, rough 'em up rough 'em up go CU" at their football games (he also mentioned the cheerleaders yell "Buffalo, buffalo" instead of "rough 'em up")... no idea if that's the origin, though.  But it's interesting to see we're not the only CU who does that cheer