Who stole whose cheers?

[RichH]

[Q]kaelistus Wrote:

 The "We're going to beat..." part HAS to be older than 97. I've been watching Cornell hockey since the beginning of the 96-97 season, and I don't remember a time without that cheer.[/q]
Well, admittedly, it's from my own fuzzy memory.  Upon further thought, I'm pretty sure that the whole cheer was slowly added in parts.  When the song was introduced to Lynah, it was already established in many, many college and pro hockey arenas.  The "Sieve!" was almost immediate.  Since JTW wrote  that he has a recording from the end of '95-'96 with just the "we're gonna beat the hell outta you" part, I'm sure there was a period where that was the only part of that bit (apparently followed by another countoff for the 2nd time through the tune).  But it wasn't until the end of '96-'97 when the "F 'em up" part really started to be heard.  And it took the band and traveling faithful all of 2 seconds to come up with the alternate "rough 'em up" first at visiting rinks, then when the watchful eye of the all-powerful ushering staff at Lynah started using their lip-reading talents.

[Steve M]

When did Cornell start attacking the goal at the scoreboard end in the 1st and 3rd periods?  At least until 86 we attacked towards the end with the seats for 2 periods.  Back then Section D was ground zero for fan leadership and Section C was still sold to the students.  I'm pretty sure section C was taken away from the students soon after, to reduce the amount of foul language heard over broadcasts, but when and why did the attacking end for the 1st and 3rd periods switch?  Was it to reduce goalie abuse?

[Killer]

I was there for '71-'77.  We always attacked the scoreboard end twice.  Though I seem to recall that there was one game during that stretch where we went the other way for some strange reason.  An experiment that failed?  A request by the opponents?  Anyone remember?

[Give My Regards]

[Q]Steve Marciniec Wrote:
When did Cornell start attacking the goal at the scoreboard end in the 1st and 3rd periods?  At least until 86 we attacked towards the end with the seats for 2 periods.  Back then Section D was ground zero for fan leadership and Section C was still sold to the students.  I'm pretty sure section C was taken away from the students soon after, to reduce the amount of foul language heard over broadcasts, but when and why did the attacking end for the 1st and 3rd periods switch?  Was it to reduce goalie abuse?[/q]

Section C went to the boosters starting with the 86-87 season.

The end switch occurred prior to the 87-88 season, Brian McCutcheon's first as Cornell head coach.  As I recall, McCutcheon made the switch for two reasons: so that his players would be facing the clock two out of three periods, and at the time the glass behind the net at the scoreboard end was somewhat higher than at the other end, meaning that the puck would tend to stay in play more near the scoreboard goal. (I'm embarrassed to say I don't remember if the glass is still set up that way!)  The end switch was not announced prior to the ticket sale, so those who bought Section D tickets that year were quite pissed.

[Pace]

[Q]fenwick Wrote:

(I'm embarrassed to say I don't remember if the glass is still set up that way!) [/q]

I'm quite certain the glass is equal heights now. Thanks for the interesting bit of trivia.

Btw, I've been wondering, is the current #10 McCutcheon related to that past coach of ours? Son?

[RichH]

[Q]Pace Wrote:

Btw, I've been wondering, is the current #10 McCutcheon related to that past coach of ours? Son?
[/q]
Yes, Mark is Brian's son.  In addition to being head coach in the late-80s and early-90s, Brian was a member of the undefeated 1970 team.

[Pace]

[Q]RichH Wrote:

 [Q2]Pace Wrote:

Btw, I've been wondering, is the current #10 McCutcheon related to that past coach of ours? Son?
[/Q]
Yes, Mark is Brian's son.  In addition to being head coach in the late-80s and early-90s, Brian was a member of the undefeated 1970 team.

[/q]

Too bad the son's not quite as good...

[Will]

[Q]Pace Wrote:

Too bad the son's not quite as good...[/q]

Give him time.  I'm sure Mark McCutcheon will shape up to be a valuable player before his time on the hill is up.

[KeithK]

I'm pretty sure that "We're Going To Beat the Hell Out of You" part was started by Dan Karipides grad '99 in or around the '95-'96 season.  It was definitely appropriated from his undergrad basketball experience.  The second line ("Rough 'em up") was added a short while later.

[David Harding]

There was some light on the topic of rink ends in the discussion of cheers a couple of weeks ago:
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,44997,45135#msg-45135

[Rob NH]

[Q]RichH Wrote:
Well, admittedly, it's from my own fuzzy memory.  Upon further thought, I'm pretty sure that the whole cheer was slowly added in parts.  When the song was introduced to Lynah, it was already established in many, many college and pro hockey arenas.  The "Sieve!" was almost immediate.[/q]
I know New Hampshire was doing the Rock and Roll Part II sieve chant by 1990 at Snively (instead of "we're gonna beat the..." they just yell sieve repeatedly to end it). Additionally, Northeastern had been doing an second verse of the song acapella and the "Sieve! You suck!" prior to 01-02.

Schools doing the Rock and Roll Part II sieve chant:
Cornell : duh...
UNH : after a goal, repeatedly sieve at the end.
UMass : after a goal, "sieve, you suck! We're gonna beat the hell outta you, rough 'em up, rough 'em up, lets go U!".
UMass Lowell : after a goal, repeatedly sieve at the end, not to be outdone by Amherst they added "You Suck!" last season.
Northeastern : next stoppage of play after a goal, "Sieve! You Suck!", then a second verse acapella.
St. Cloud State : after a goal, know they yell sieve, not sure about the ending
Minnesota Duluth : after a goal, follows the UMD Rouser if they have time before the puck gets dropped (often don't finish the tune), "Hey!" like normal and then sieve repeatedly after the last hey.

[CUlater 89]

[Q]RichH Wrote:

 [Q2]Pace Wrote:

Btw, I've been wondering, is the current #10 McCutcheon related to that past coach of ours? Son?
[/Q]
Yes, Mark is Brian's son.  In addition to being head coach in the late-80s and early-90s, Brian was a member of the undefeated 1970 team.

[/q]

And was the leading goal scorer.

[RichS]

[Q]Hillel Hoffmann Wrote:

 I believe the provenance for Cornell's base version of the post-goal "sieve, sieve, sieve" taunt also traces back to Wisconsin fans ... perhaps at the '72 Final Four?

q]

It's older than that because we were chanting "sieve, sieve, sieve" at Clarkson when I started there in Fall '70.  Where it began, I don't know.

[Hillel Hoffmann]

[Q]RichS Wrote:

[the sieve chant is] older than [1972] because we were chanting "sieve, sieve, sieve" at Clarkson when I started there in Fall '70.  Where it began, I don't know.[/q]

I was referring to the provenance of *Cornell* fan's use of the sieve chant, which seems to date to one of two playoff encounters with Wisconsin in the early 1970s. Badger fans' had already been doing it in an organized way for a loooooong time before then; they seem to deserve credit for its spread elsewhere.

[Molly]

[Q]From INCH:
The normally sedate Munn Ice Arena crowd â€" most of whom have received birthday wishes from Willard Scott â€" was jolted into action by a small, but vocal, group of Lynah Faithful that descended on East Lansing for Cornell’s series with Michigan State. MSU captain Jim Slater told reporters after the game that when Faithful shouted ‘RED!’ during their well-known national anthem ritual, he looked around the arena trying to figure out what was going on.[/Q]

Good job on the cheering guys! :-)

On a related note, does anyone know when we started shouting out "RED" during the anthem?