PWR after Saturday

[jtwcornell91]

Age, can we put this in the FAQ?

[Stewart]

When would you have a shootout anyways?

[Al DeFlorio]

Some tournaments (e.g., Icebreaker, in the past, at least) decide games with shootouts.

Keith, if Shaun Hannah's team gets a bid it will have nothing to do with its winning percentage.  My point is that giving a team some positive credit toward an at-large bid for a win over Sacred Heart while giving another team no credit for a win over North Dakota or Brown or Union is downright silly.

[Stewart]

Yeah... We should get credit for beating the US under 18 team if that's true;-)

[jy3]

Al you do get credit for the win vs sub-.500 teams. that is the W on your record. the system is flawed but it has been all season, not just lately ;-)
i think the whole findlay thing just stinks. oh well.

[Greg Berge]

> In fact, a team with a losing record which receives an automatic bid by winning its conference tournament automatically becomes a Team Under Consideration for the purposes of the "record vs TUC" criterion.

AHA!  So, Huntsville can still help us.

[Al DeFlorio]

Dr. jy3, I do understand you get credit in another selection criterion.  

But in the criterion called TUC, you don't get credit, and I think it's dumb--and has been, not only all of this season, but in the many seasons since it was dreamed up.  If TUC is intended to give credit to a team's success (or lack thereof) against better teams, using a .500 winning percentage as an arbitrary measure--with an all-or-nothing cut-off at that number--is simply not a good way to do it.

[tml5]

I don't think UAH can help Cornell.  If Huntsville wins the CHA tourney, then that's nice and all, but since there's no CHA auto-bid to the NCAAs the TUC status of UAH does not change.  Only teams that finish at or above .500, or receive an automatic bid to the NCAA tourney, qualify as TUCs for the selection criteria.  At least, that's what I've always been led to believe.  If this was next season, UAH winning the tourney would help the TUC category.  Of course, if this was next season, Findlay games would count, and Union, Niagara, and UAH would already be TUCs.

[kingpin248]

One team I would be rooting against is Wisconsin.  From the way the pairwise looks now, it looks like the WCHA's top four look fairly good to make the tournament.  If Wisconsin wins its tournament and joins them, that could take another at-large bid.  I think it's unlikely, but just the same, I don't want to see it happen.

[DeltaOne81]

Of all the bad little catches that come out of Findlay, UAH, etc, here's one piece of good news:

For those of you who understand how the PWR relate to the actual selection process (if you don't, USCHO has FAQs on all thie stuff), Cornell is currently the last "above the bubble team" - us and everyone above us has beaten everyone below us. Colorado Col is the first bubble team, since they did not beat (tied) the lower Alaska-Fairbanks. It would be easier to check if slack.net showed PWR ties without the tiebreaks (RPI), but it apparently doesn't, so I had to go to the USCHO raw data, which is more prone to mistakes.

Either way, while this can certainly change, if the season ended today, we'd be the last team put in the "yes" pile right off the bat. That can't be bad .

-Fred, DeltaOne81 '03

[KeithK]

Al, the first part of my post (the SH getting consideration bit) was meant to be a little joke.  But then I had to go follow it with something somewhat serious and obscure the meaning...

[jy3]

yeah my post was meant as a joke too.
oh well. sorry if u thought otherwise. and dont call me dr and jinx me, not there yet ;-)

anyone think a cornell-harvard final would be pretty cool for placid?

in terms of the computers, i wonder how far michigan would drop if they lose today and as a result do not have a way to add wins to their record like the teams around them will this coming weeked. we shall see. GO LSSU!

[tml5]

Cornell-Harvard would be nice, but only if Cornell wins and Niagara takes the CHA tournament.  If *everything* goes right (including an ECAC title) Cornell could sneak into the top 4 in the PWR, although I doubt it'd result in a bye.  One of the things involved in that "everything" is that Cornell beats 2 TUCs at Placid (not Harvard), and/or if Niagara finshes  as a TUC.  Maybe Harvard would be better for the RPI than Clarkson, but I didn't go into that much detail.

Personally, I think a Cornell-Clarkson final would be just as sweet.  Especially if Cornell wins.  :-))

Here's hoping for a Cornell-anyone final!  Honestly, all 5 teams at Placid have a legit shot at the ECAC title this year.

[jtwcornell91]

Everything we've heard from the NCAA is that there is no such thing as a tie in a pairiwise comparison.  If each team wins the same number of criteria, the team with the higher RPI wins the PWC.  End of story.

I think this is even spelled out in the championships manual at http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/iceHockey/2002/2002_d1_m_icehockey.pdf

BTW, you can see the breakdown of each comparison by criteria in a popup window by clicking on the losing team's abbreviation in the PWC table at http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw.cgi?pwr

[Jim Hyla]

Tom

Cornell-Harvard would be nice, but only if Cornell wins and Niagara takes the CHA tournament.

Personally, I think a Cornell-Clarkson final would be just as sweet. Especially if Cornell wins.

Actually, most of us would probably agree that anyone and Cornell would be good if Cornell wins.:-D