Keys in a one-goal game

[Greg Berge]

Mikewrote:

am quite capable of reading. the "ivy team" cheer is a complete non sequitor in regards to jingling keys with a minute left in a one goal game. i am not one of the idiots who took out keys, nor am i a facetimer. excuse me for trying to come up with some creativity. some of the alums are always bitching about how there is too much use of "____ SUCKS!" yet you get all pissy as soon as someone deviates from the norm with something new.

as to the initial criticism, the cheer demonstrates neither stupidity nor overconfidence. stupidity would have been doing the "winning team" cheer (which is reserved for the band anyway) at the end of the tie game and overconfidence would be doing it with a minute left in a one-goal game. if you're going to be a jerk, at least be able to back up what you say with a particular reason. if you have something more appropriate to say at the end of a tie or a loss, suggest it. or better yet, say it at a game, if you have the luxury to have tickets. otherwise, get off my back.

I thought the cheer was dumb, and I'm entitled to (just as the many more people who posted that they liked it are entitled -- in this case, you have the voters on your side, and that's all that counts, barring the adoption of a Lynah Electoral College).

Your non-sequitor remark (1) is true enough but irrelevant -- threads drift, and (2) was misdirected, as I was picking up somebody else's remark.

Deviation and experimentation should be encouraged - that's what makes Lynah different (read: better) than any other college rink.  It does not follow that every experiment succeeds.  But by all means, keep inventing.  I'd rather have a hundred bad tries than a rink where people sit on their hands.



Post Edited (12-02-03 15:35)

[ice the puck]

I thought it was a great cheer.  Keep them coming, Mike.  (Cowbell Guy,  enjoyed meeting you efore the game... love the site.)

[Mike \'03]

Alright, first off, "Winning Team" is not a band thing, and I will personally buy you the Hotel School if you can find one of the people who did it who was in the band, and claims that it belongs to the band. It has been in the band for the past few years, but lo and behold, bandsmen make it to almost all of the games, home and away, and by some strange chance, almost all of them are rabid fans. Surprised when nobody looks about to do it that a bandsman is watching and will jump on it? Of course not, they all hate hockey and despise being there.

Second, Age, I realize it was in jest and I don't mean any offense here really, but why -you- of all people would (incorrectly) single out the band for not sharing a tradition is beyond me; not that it's time to return the cowbell to the undergrads either.

Third, if you would sit and think, do you really believe that -anybody- on the ice gives a shit that we're an Ivy school, especially after they just snatched a win from us? If you want to chant that they're a safety school, fine, that calls them inferior. If you you want to chant that they're league is a disgrace, fine, that gets the point across. If you want to call them rejects from some other school, FINE. If you actually know the history of schools and want to taunt Colgate as not being Ivy, then maybe the Ivy chant will work, though I think maybe five people would get it. If I ever heard BU fans chant "Hockey East" at us, I think I'd shit myself from disbelief. Likewise, if I ever heard Dartmouth or Brown using "Which team is an Ivy Team" I think I'd shit myself. Why not just chant "Hotel school" while you're at it. There are better ways to chant and cheer creatively than bastardizing one of the few relatively ritualized cheers that we have. I'm not saying you're stupid, that the cheer was, and keeping in mind such greats as "FU-BU" and "... he let the puck go by 1 time!", it's hard to not find company for people who have at some point, cheered/said something dumb.

[CowbellGuy]

You seem to be rather obsessed with shitting yourself, Mike. Might want to seek some help.

As for the bell, anyone who has spent more than 11 minutes on the forum or bothered to ask me in the last 2 years would know I'd be happy to give up the bell if I could find anyone who could be bothered to show up to home games on time and at least make a few road trips and wants to do it. So far, I haven't had any luck. Maybe the band should take over that, too, since nothing the crowd does seems to please them.

Back to your autoscat fantasies with you...

[Ack]

Castlestine

[Ack]

The bell's done wonders, it's good, it's great, something no one can hate...leave it be - keep doing it.

[Ben Doyle 03]

tryouts ... i'm tellig you, have tryouts to pass the bell along:-)

[ugarte]

Mike '03 wrote:
Third, if you would sit and think, do you really believe that -anybody- on the ice gives a shit that we're an Ivy school, especially after they just snatched a win from us? If you want to chant that they're a safety school, fine, that calls them inferior. [etc.]

All "safety school"-type chants have a cool kick-'em-when-they're-down aspect to them when the team is winning that is absent when the team is losing. And 3-3 at home against Mercyhurst is losing.  "That's alright..." gets a bit of a pass in my book because the entire premise of the cheer is a "Fuck You" from a losing team.  So my principal objection to the "Ivy league" chant (going on reports here - I watched Mercyhurst on i2) is that it sounds desperate when the team isn't winning. Secondarily, there is a distasteful elitism to "Ivy League" that is degrees grosser than "safety school" that isn't my bag. Nothing is more tedious than an Ivy Leaguer that is in a hurry to share the information.

Generally, cheers that reflect the inadequacies of the cheering throng are not my favorites.   That includes chanting "safety school" against Harvard.  Sure, they suck (an objective fact), but it is also a much harder school to get into (another objective fact). It is bad enough that Harvard doesn't acknowledge that there is a rivalry; they also know that the passion for screaming Harvard Sucks comes from all of the thin envelopes with Cambridge postmarks reveived by the Lynah Faithful.  Nailing Ha+rva+rd for the obscene grading curve, on the other hand, is fair and vicious.



Post Edited (12-02-03 16:37)

[jy3]

greg, that castle asselstine was too funny, i actually did laugh out loud. too bad he didnt get a penalty

[Mike \'03]

Age,
My point was, don't snipe at the band, especially when you're wrong. Address that, not my collolquial expression for extreme disbelief and shock.

Like I said, I don't care what happens to/with the cowbell really, since from H, all one hears is a general degredation of clapping and cheering because of the fazing. However, even though I'm not part of it anymore, I don't appreciate the band being blamed for the various woes of the world. I was just pointing out that you accusing the band of 'jealously guarding a tradition' was somewhat hypocritical because, hell, like you said, there are at minimum 51 people who show up to every home game before even you, most away games, dress funny for the team, and the majority have rhythm. :-P I'm sure one of them could do it, but of course, they wouldn't have the license plates. ::rolleyes:: Barring auto theft at any rate.

Maybe you two could trade these traditions that you each supposedly own or whatnot. *shrug* Whatever.

[Sarli]

Actually, hahvahd (Sucks) is not even a safety school for CU engineers, so, at least, I always got a big rise out of chanting safety school at all the liberal arts Ivies.
But, then again, all us engineers are a little on the  ::screwy::  side.

[Josh '99]

Sarli wrote:
Actually, hahvahd (Sucks) is not even a safety school for CU engineers...

No, that's what RPI and Clarkson are for.  :-D

[beanmaestro]

If you wanted to put out cards with correct versions of the cheers, without annoying the Lynah staff, I'd think the best approach would be getting Schafer's say-so in advance.  Given that it would reinforce crowd support, and cut down the "wrong" See-Ya cheers, I can't imagine why he'd object to a well-worded request.

[CowbellGuy]

I think Schafer could care less and probably doesn't want to/shouldn't be bothered with stuff like this during the season. Start with the rink staff.

[whats all the fuss?]

I'm just a little confused about the use of the "safety school" chant - the last time I checked, wasn't Cornell a safety for people who couldn't get into Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Georgetown, Duke, Stanford...