Cornell vs Mercyhurst

[Ken71]

Rumor has it that Mike took out his frustrations after the OSU game on the training room door.

Ken '71

[Section A]

(Inferred from Hotel's post above)....There was a goal waived off in Overtime? I wasn't listening/watching....what happened?

[Will]

Greg Berge '85 wrote:

They could easily have won 5-2 or so tonight, but as with the last previous four games the finishes just were not there.  They need to fix that, and they have 6 days and counting.

They're losing their legs more quickly than they should.  I don't know why that is, but I would theorize that the first two lines are possibly doing more work proportionately.  (I haven't been keeping track of how long each line is on the ice relative to each other.)

[Mike \'03]

The 'waved off goal' was just a pile up in the crease. The puck never went in the net, so there was nothing to be waved off. I think the main reason play was stopped was because a scuffle started in the crease while Franck was spreadeagled on the ice and not moving (in the I'm hurt sense, even though he was fine, albeit looking a bit shaken/stunned) I don't recall seeing the puck, so I assume it was under him, but it definitely was not in the net. I can't recall anything else that vaguely comes close to a waved off goal though, so I'll assume that was it.

[DeltaOne81]

Point by point:

HOTELCALIFORNIA wrote:
*The reffs were absolutly terrible!!!!!! People in my section were so fired up. Many things were not called (like a penalty that should have been called on Cornell late in the third, in the Mercyhurst zone). And that goal in overtime... CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT WAS NOT A GOAL?!?!?!?!?!?!! It looked like one of our players was partially in the net, but when I looked closely, we weren't at all. This call really pissed me off...

If you were sure it was a goal, both the ref and goal judge seemed to disagree. I'll admit that I couldn't see on i2sports, but Vesce was the only one on the ice that seemed sure, and he's not exactly unbiased.

*I'll give McKee a tiny bit of credit.. but then again, he really did not do well in this game. First of all, how in the world could ANYONE let in a puck with FIVE SECONDS LEFT??!!! What could have possibly so tough that you spaz and ruin the whole game?!! I mean.... FIVE SECONDS!!!

Explain to me this, why is it any easier to make a save with 5 seconds left? You seem to imply that the amount of time on the clock somehow relates to the ease of the save. Seriously, there was a flurry in front of the net. I woulda loved him to save it, but how does it make it a bigger mess up to miss that just because there's only a few seconds left? If anything, Mercyhurst was working harder with an extra attacker, so it's even more difficult. If anything, I'd say our D tends to collapse with under 30 seconds left... not horribly, but somewhat... I don't see how any of it lies on McKee though. You're big on capitals and small on substance.

And then why Schaefer didn't play Marr in overtime is still beyond me... not like it'd matter any.... but still.

I have NEVER, NEVER seen a coach pull a goalie in a tie game. Why would anyone possibly do that? The only time you pull a goalie is if you're down by 3 or 4 or more.

*Mercyhurst's goalie was terrible. Many times he just got plain lucky. He was very slooooooow and seemed to favor the "roll over and slide" technique.

You're right that he didn't have good form, but it certainly seems to work for him. 44 out of 47 is pretty damn lucky. I do agree that our team seems to do something that makes goalies look better than they are, but he's no slouch. I have a hunch our problem is not getting 2nd shots or not putting men in front (two parts of the same problem), but that's another discussion. 44 out of 47 isn't 'terrible', although his style is certainly unorthodox.

*Mercyhurst's solid green jerseys were so obnoxious that compared with all the screaming I did, I needed to down a couple of Advil as soon as I got home.

Let's Go Whalers! :-P

*And I'll ask one more time... what has happend to Cornell?? We went from a star team last year (that messed up their last game) to... straight ties and losses?? I'm wondering if maybe there's a leadership problem out there?? Thoughts on this??

We lost an awesome offensive defenseman, a powerful d-man, a skill set of twins, a hard working wing with a knack for coming through, a Hobey-baker finalist record-setting goalie, a skilled stay at home dman, and a talented forward. One of the best classes at Cornell in a long time and one of the best if not the best in the country last year. What's you frickin' expect?



Post Edited (11-30-03 00:26)

[Will]

DeltaOne81 '03 wrote:

And then why Schaefer didn't play Marr in overtime is still beyond me... not like it'd matter any.... but still.

I have NEVER, NEVER seen a coach pull a goalie in a tie game. Why would anyone possibly do that? The only time you pull a goalie is if you're down by 3 or 4 or more.

Or when the goalie is working on a shutout with a rather large lead, but the shutout gets blown with the lion's share of the game behind him.  Then you put in another goalie to at least give him a little real game time.  (We need to get Chabot to continue his 1.000 SV%. ;-) )

But in a tie game?  No, no, no--he obviously isn't doing anything terribly wrong if he's pulling off a tie (well, maybe if it's tied 10-10, but that would just be bizarre).  Unless the starting goalie gets injured, there's no reason to put in a cold goalie in a tie game.

[DeltaOne81]

Schafer says it well... again...

"The frustration continues to build," said Schafer. "We're disappointed with the fact that every single mistake that seems to happen, the puck ends up in the back of our net. From that standpoint, it's tough to have the puck a lot and miss the net a lot, and not capitalize, and then as soon as you make a mistake, it's in the back of your net. There's no question that this is a frustrated hockey team right now."

[Will]

DeltaOne81 '03 wrote:

Schafer says it well... again...

"The frustration continues to build," said Schafer. "We're disappointed with the fact that every single mistake that seems to happen, the puck ends up in the back of our net. From that standpoint, it's tough to have the puck a lot and miss the net a lot, and not capitalize, and then as soon as you make a mistake, it's in the back of your net. There's no question that this is a frustrated hockey team right now."

Not to mention a frustrated fanbase.  However, I can't speak for everyone, but they're going to have to do (or not do) a lot more than that to drive me away.  LET'S GO RED!!!

[HOTELCALIFORNIA]

Actually, if you think about it, we've never really lost by like 8 to 1. If we lose, most of the time were one or maybe two goals down. It's good that our bad games are at least close games.

[Will]

HOTELCALIFORNIA wrote:

Actually, if you think about it, we've never really lost by like 8 to 1. If we lose, most of the time were one or maybe two goals down. It's good that our bad games are at least close games.

Indeed.  This team has great potential, to be sure.  The question is, how can they find out how to exploit that potential, not commit critical (if infrequent) mistakes (since they seem to frequently lead to goals for the opposition), and ultimately work together to win games?  (For what it's worth, I think the team worked well excellently in this game.  For the most part, both the offense and the defense were really gelling into respective cohesive units.)

[DeltaOne81]

Wow, hotel's actually coming around :-).

Yeah, this is a team that's been improving and we've NEVER lost by more than one goal... give us one extra goal per game, or one missed shot or lucky save, and this is an undefeated team. And this team is young, there's no where to go but up.

Edit: In fact, for a team that lost 7 major players (did I count right?), after 9 games, we only have two losses. Sure, we'd all rather see 7-2 instead of 3-2-4... if someone told us last year that this team would go through WMU x2, BG, OSU, SLU, and Clarkson with only 2 losses, I don't think there's anyone on this board that wouldn't have taken it.



Post Edited (11-30-03 01:19)

[Greg Berge]

"Every" mistake did not end up in the net tonight.  Mercyhurst intercepted a blind clearing pass and had a 2-on-zero that would have won the game, but they failed to convert.



Post Edited (11-30-03 01:25)

[HOTELCALIFORNIA]

Haha Delta.. yeah at this point, I have to think in a very positive way because I don't like feeling negative anymore..:-D :-D :-D

[DeltaOne81]

Hotel, well there's a lot to be positive about if you start with the realization that this is a young, team with significant loses who has very little chance of competing for an at large bid this year.

[jy3]

i think that the puck actually ended up in the net for the one that was called a no goal - it went in thru the side of the net when the net was lifted when crashed into. it was a no goal

like i said to my fiancee last night, losing/tieing close games can stem from many things. lack of shooting the puck, poor defense, not being able to finish. i think that this cornell team is slowly solving each of those problems as well as many more and will be a force as they march towards albany. i will trade one-goal losses early in the season to OOC teams for one-goal wins in conference in march, specifically march 19 and 20th

disappointed by the end result but not by the effort last night. i thought that mckee looked good and i love the new helmet. you have to give the lakers credit for hanging around enough to capitalize on 3 of the few good scoring chances they got.

also, that awesome save be franck the tank seemed to be more flourish than what was needed but it did look cool and i am not sure where the puck hit. if it hit his leg pads as they were in the air -> nice save i did not like how he was hitting one of our players while our player was down on the ice clutching himself in pain - franck was hitting him with his blocker/stick. that pissed me off and i let him have it vocally

next week is going to be a real test in the ecac with a strong brown team coming to town as well as a hahvahd team that may be starting to play better.

oh and keep those damn keys in your pockets!