Albany Tix

[arugula]

Who else was at the old DU Arena in 1996?

That's a deep cut. Assuming you mean the tournament right before New Year's in Dec 1995?

Didn't go, I was in Ithaca. I do remember hearing that CC score and having the enthusiasm from the fall tempered. I think I called the "Big Red Hotline."

Apologies I meant NCAAs 86. I do recall the big red hotline.

[Chris H82]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet. .....

I was just about to also remind everyone about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW3kgtLlpd4

[Chris H82]

Also, I was chatting with my son about the altitude issue. He got his degree in kinesiology, and did a lot of work in exercise science. His understanding is that the altitude change isn't really a significant issue until you get above 7000 feet.

LGR!!!

[stereax]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet. .....

I was just about to also remind everyone about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW3kgtLlpd4

[Snowball]

That's right. We play Denver in Loveland: so be it.

Let's tap into that same magic we had last year when we shut down Michigan: Number 1 in the country and home of the Hobey Baker winner.

LGR!

[Beeeej]

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet. .....

I was just about to also remind everyone about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW3kgtLlpd4

Brings back an incredibly bittersweet month. Let's try for sweet only in Loveland this time, OK?

[BearLover]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet.

Albany, Rochester, and suburban St. Louis regional that one year are really the only ones that won't have a massive showing/advantage from host schools. The NCAA cares about attendance, so they're going to keep doing it.

Looks like there were 4 times we played the host school itself: 2005, 2006, 2017, 2019. We are 0-4 in those games.

[Iceberg]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet.

Albany, Rochester, and suburban St. Louis regional that one year are really the only ones that won't have a massive showing/advantage from host schools. The NCAA cares about attendance, so they're going to keep doing it.

Looks like there were 4 times we played the host school itself: 2005, 2006, 2017, 2019. We are 0-4 in those games.

2005 is the only instance where the opposing team was the host. Lowell did not host in Manchester in 2017 and in the other two years, the opposing team was in the same city or state, but not the host.

[Beeeej]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet.

Albany, Rochester, and suburban St. Louis regional that one year are really the only ones that won't have a massive showing/advantage from host schools. The NCAA cares about attendance, so they're going to keep doing it.

Looks like there were 4 times we played the host school itself: 2005, 2006, 2017, 2019. We are 0-4 in those games.

2005 is the only instance where the opposing team was the host. Lowell did not host in Manchester in 2017 and in the other two years, the opposing team was in the same city or state, but not the host.

And even if the others had been hosts, we were the lower seed three times out of the four. Doesn't make the result "right" or easier to take, but we weren't "supposed" to win those games. As long as the seeding/hosting rules and attendance issues are as they are, with a field as small as 16 and no intraconference first-round match-ups, this is going to happen from time to time. Either find a way to convince Cornell they should bid to host a regional (for which they have historically had no taste), or get used to it.

[BearLover]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet.

Albany, Rochester, and suburban St. Louis regional that one year are really the only ones that won't have a massive showing/advantage from host schools. The NCAA cares about attendance, so they're going to keep doing it.

Looks like there were 4 times we played the host school itself: 2005, 2006, 2017, 2019. We are 0-4 in those games.

2005 is the only instance where the opposing team was the host. Lowell did not host in Manchester in 2017 and in the other two years, the opposing team was in the same city or state, but not the host.

Oh, oops. I assumed that because these arenas were closer to the school mentioned than they were to any other school, that meant the school was the host. But I guess I don't understand how hosting works and where a team is allowed to host. In 2017, it was a de facto UML home game. And in 2019, it was a de facto Providence home game, though I guess it was actually Brown who hosted

[Chris '03]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet.

Albany, Rochester, and suburban St. Louis regional that one year are really the only ones that won't have a massive showing/advantage from host schools. The NCAA cares about attendance, so they're going to keep doing it.

Looks like there were 4 times we played the host school itself: 2005, 2006, 2017, 2019. We are 0-4 in those games.

2005 is the only instance where the opposing team was the host. Lowell did not host in Manchester in 2017 and in the other two years, the opposing team was in the same city or state, but not the host.

And in 2010 Cornell got placed in Albany as a non-host and chalk said would play higher seeded Denver in the regional final. But... Other things happened.

The solution to not being shipped to a far away region is to win. The solution to not being sent to play a host is to host. (I still favor conferences as hosts with conference champions placed there.)

[BearLover]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet.

Albany, Rochester, and suburban St. Louis regional that one year are really the only ones that won't have a massive showing/advantage from host schools. The NCAA cares about attendance, so they're going to keep doing it.

Looks like there were 4 times we played the host school itself: 2005, 2006, 2017, 2019. We are 0-4 in those games.

2005 is the only instance where the opposing team was the host. Lowell did not host in Manchester in 2017 and in the other two years, the opposing team was in the same city or state, but not the host.

And even if the others had been hosts, we were the lower seed three times out of the four. Doesn't make the result "right" or easier to take, but we weren't "supposed" to win those games. As long as the seeding/hosting rules and attendance issues are as they are, with a field as small as 16 and no intraconference first-round match-ups, this is going to happen from time to time. Either find a way to convince Cornell they should bid to host a regional (for which they have historically had no taste), or get used to it.

I disagree; if playing a de facto away game drops our chances of winning from, say, 45% to 40%, that's just as material as them dropping from 52% to 47%. Just because we were slight underdogs to begin with doesn't mean it's okay for us to become even bigger underdogs.

Also, there's a third option you didn't mention: change the system.

[Beeeej]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet.

Albany, Rochester, and suburban St. Louis regional that one year are really the only ones that won't have a massive showing/advantage from host schools. The NCAA cares about attendance, so they're going to keep doing it.

Looks like there were 4 times we played the host school itself: 2005, 2006, 2017, 2019. We are 0-4 in those games.

2005 is the only instance where the opposing team was the host. Lowell did not host in Manchester in 2017 and in the other two years, the opposing team was in the same city or state, but not the host.

And even if the others had been hosts, we were the lower seed three times out of the four. Doesn't make the result "right" or easier to take, but we weren't "supposed" to win those games. As long as the seeding/hosting rules and attendance issues are as they are, with a field as small as 16 and no intraconference first-round match-ups, this is going to happen from time to time. Either find a way to convince Cornell they should bid to host a regional (for which they have historically had no taste), or get used to it.

I disagree; if playing a de facto away game drops our chances of winning from, say, 45% to 40%, that's just as material as them dropping from 52% to 47%. Just because we were slight underdogs to begin with doesn't mean it's okay for us to become even bigger underdogs.

Also, there's a third option you didn't mention: change the system.

Pretty sure the "as long as" clause covers that just fine.

[BearLover]

Historically, we keep running into hosts OR "just up the road" schools who bring lots of fans. A rough history:

2003: BC in Providence 2ot-W (QF)
2005: Minnesota at Mariucci ot-L (QF)
2006: Wisconsin in Green Bay 3ot-L (QF)
2017: Lowell in Manchester L (1R)
2019: Northeastern in Providence W (1R)
2019: Providence in Providence L (QF)
2025: MSU in Toledo W (1R)

I post because last year was about the most hostile environment facing a huge favorite, and we still got the W in the first round. Nobody has mentioned this yet.

Albany, Rochester, and suburban St. Louis regional that one year are really the only ones that won't have a massive showing/advantage from host schools. The NCAA cares about attendance, so they're going to keep doing it.

Looks like there were 4 times we played the host school itself: 2005, 2006, 2017, 2019. We are 0-4 in those games.

2005 is the only instance where the opposing team was the host. Lowell did not host in Manchester in 2017 and in the other two years, the opposing team was in the same city or state, but not the host.

And even if the others had been hosts, we were the lower seed three times out of the four. Doesn't make the result "right" or easier to take, but we weren't "supposed" to win those games. As long as the seeding/hosting rules and attendance issues are as they are, with a field as small as 16 and no intraconference first-round match-ups, this is going to happen from time to time. Either find a way to convince Cornell they should bid to host a regional (for which they have historically had no taste), or get used to it.

I disagree; if playing a de facto away game drops our chances of winning from, say, 45% to 40%, that's just as material as them dropping from 52% to 47%. Just because we were slight underdogs to begin with doesn't mean it's okay for us to become even bigger underdogs.

Also, there's a third option you didn't mention: change the system.

Pretty sure the "as long as" clause covers that just fine.

Fair enough. But the "as long as" might not be too much longer at all.

[jtwcornell91]

Who else was at the old DU Arena in 1996?

That's a deep cut. Assuming you mean the tournament right before New Year's in Dec 1995?

Didn't go, I was in Ithaca. I do remember hearing that CC score and having the enthusiasm from the fall tempered. I think I called the "Big Red Hotline."

I was.  The first day was brutal, with that unspeakable Cornell-CC game, and Denver beating Air Force 11-1, which also meant I didn't get to see Sinuhe Wallinheimo get a shutout and do his trademark somersault.  Having just spent the past day and a half driving from Santa Barbara, I was pretty spent.  The second day was fun, though, with Cornell beating Air Force in the consy and Denver handing CC their first loss of the season in the final.

Somehow my college radio recap of that tournament is still on the internet: https://amurgsval.org/squishy/denver.4.c.html