Cornell VS Clarkson , Saturday Feb 23rd

[RichS]

Complaining about an usher, who's probably a student?  If it were significant, you could have brought it to the attention of the arena manager.  This sounds like "whining"!

Considering the history of things being thrown onto the ice at Lynah this year, including a bottle tossed at Coach Morris on Saturday, I think you should be more careful about slinging the "classless" arrows!

[RichS]

You are way off on this...there's no way Mitchell fired the puck attempting to hit Schafer!

First of all, it was a tight game that went to OT so doing such a thing would have been dumb!  Willie was a big physical D man, but he was certainly NOT a dumb player.  (By the way, he plays on the Minnesota Wild's top dfensive pair).

I saw the game on TV...it was the ECAC GOTW...and they showed the replay several times.   The announcers...Norton and said nothing about it being suspicious at all.  

I have the game on tape as well he was doing was attempting to clear the puck.   As I recall he was turned around trying to do it.  Plus the puck hit Shafer on the carom!  It's not at all rare for pucks to fly into the bench area when the clear attempt misses the glass before a bench.

Going back three years to try to link Saturday's event to that one is pretty lame!

[RichS]

Bill,

Glad to see you added some reason here.   It's nuts to say he aimed at Schafer as others suggested earlier..

It was a clearing attempt that missed the glass so why would he get a delay of game penalty?  The puck left the ice, hence the stoppage.  The ref would have to rule it deliberate and that's a call they rarely make as its just too difficult to judge intent in that case.

[Josh '99]

RichS wrote:

It was a clearing attempt that missed the glass so why would he get a delay of game penalty?  The puck left the ice, hence the stoppage.  The ref would have to rule it deliberate and that's a call they rarely make as its just too difficult to judge intent in that case.

It WASN'T a clearing attempt.  The puck was fired out of play out of frustration, because a delayed penalty (or was it two of them?) had been called on Clarkson.  All Willie had to do was touch up.  And while nobody is saying he aimed the puck at Schafer, and you're right, nobody's aim is good enough to bank the puck off the glass and at somebody, his aim damn well should've been good enough to not fire it into Cornell's bench.  At the VERY least, it was extremely irresponsible of him.

[tml5]

RichS - I recently said this to one of the Cornell posters on this board regarding Clarkson hockey, and now I'm going to say it to you.  

Don't stereotype.  Just because there's one idiot who decided to throw an empty plastic bottle at Coach Morris, and one or two idiots who have thrown bottles in the past, does NOT mean that Cornell's fans as a whole are classless, nor does it mean that such behavior is condoned by the majority of Cornell fans or the Cornell hockey program.  You go out of your way to paint the Lynah Faithful as a bunch of classless thugs, and repeatedly bring up (the same) isolated incidents of buffoonery to support your claim.  That is stereotyping.  Stop it.  I think that's all that needs to be said on this topic.

[RichS]

Tom,

Pretty well said.

But, I never claimed or even hinted that ALL the faithful are "classless thugs".   I said clearly I dislike the vulgar cheers etc but I actually I found the environment this past Saturday to be a lot milder than in my last two visits in '99 and '97.

It just rings hollow when some of you folks trash Clarkson players and coaches for what you find to be classless behavior when you really ought to direct your ire at the clear offenders in your own house first.  I'll make that statement about anyone's arena...I have not been present at Cheel to see the supposed mistreatment of cornell fans there but had I been, I'd have been embaressed and upset if those things actually took place.

For what it's worth, in prior visits to Lynah, I've had things thrown at me, etc.  Nothing like that took place this time.

[RichS]

Was Grady using Murray as his barometer?  

::rolleyes::

Does Schafer qualify as "a real gem" also...for his firing a puck at Bill Cleary years ago as posted on USCHO?

[Al DeFlorio]

"It just rings hollow when some of you folks trash Clarkson players and coaches for what you find to be classless behavior when you really ought to direct your ire at the clear offenders in your own house first. I'll make that statement about anyone's arena."

OK.  Then when will we see your comments on the Round Table about the crap that goes on at Cheel and the now infamous penis man that Clarksy told us about?  Why does your statement above apply to us but not to you?

And, I see you've resurrected on the Round Table the already debunked myth about Cornell's "clutching and grabbing.  That whine is vintage 2001.  

Grow up.  Learn how to lose graciously.  We put six in the net; you put three.  We won.  Learn how to say "nice game, maybe we'll get you next time."  Must be tough to have a hockey loss rock your life so deeply.  Get some self-esteem, fer chrissakes.

[RichS]

Will someone please tell Al the score of Saturday night's game?

Did beating the team you love to hate "rock your life" so positively that you forgot how to count?  or to read?

::rolleyes::

[CowbellGuy]

Not unexpected, but that post is about as petty as going to the rink manager for being punched in the leg by a student usher. I'm pretty sure that's why Ben didn't pursue it.

[Dave \'02]

He never said the score was 6-3, he said Cornell put 6 in the net, which it did but the one was waived off.

[RichS]

Right...It was after the whistle so it doesn't count.  Except for Al, of course!   :-D

Talk about "petty".

[Ben Doyle 03]

Thanks Age;-)

[Ben Doyle 03]

Mr. RichS. . .may I direct your attention to my reply and subsequent apology for my overgeneralization regarding the classless behavior of this year's contests.

"Calling the entire program classless was an overstatement on my behalf. . .apologies for that broad brushed inference. It upsets me that in our two contests this season, I have either witnessed or been the target of (student ushers) misguided Clarkson aggression upon the conclusion contest. So. . .b/c my experiences this season have not been pleasant, I'll be more careful when throwing my $.02 into the conversation. "

I think it would be beneficial if you would read all of the posts here before you rip into people. . .give them a chance to redeem themselves (who knows maybe they already have and you just didn't read that post). . .Just a suggestion. I'm not trying to cause any dissention here, not with you or anyone else for that matter. Next time please don't bite my head off for something that I had already taken care of. I would appreciate it, thanks.

[RichS]

For an incident you guys now describe as "petty", you sure are mentioning it a lot.   ::rolleyes::

That "incident" was one of the cornerstone's of his earlier statement that Clarkson's program and team was "classless"...and yes, I know he later softened the remark.