CJ KIRST WINS 2025 TEWAARATON AWARD

[CU77]

I appreciate the above fantastic list above, but now you have to rank the top 5.

Actually, we don't.

Appreciate them all for what they have accomplished.

[djk26]

For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.

At some point, you may decide to add Ryan Goldstein to the list, but I think our next superstar will be Willem Firth.

I agree. Some of the TV commentators speculated that Firth would move to attack next year. My take is that he's too similar in style and physique to Goldstein, so he would stay at midfield:

That would be my speculation too. Firth is a lefty who can slot into the CJ's spot. On the other side, maybe Ryan Waldman. He's righty who can pass and score.

On the FanLax forum there is speculation that this new recruit will be starting at attack next year--according to Inside Lacrosse he is a five star recruit.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/72512?active=commitment

[BearLover]

I appreciate the above fantastic list above, but now you have to rank the top 5.

Actually, we don't.

Appreciate them all for what they have accomplished.

It was intended as a fun exercise since as a newer fan I was interested in hearing where CJ ranks among the all-time greats. You are not required to participate.

[mike1960]

For you youngsters, Tim Goldstein on the list above, is Ryan's father.

At some point, you may decide to add Ryan Goldstein to the list, but I think our next superstar will be Willem Firth.

I agree. Some of the TV commentators speculated that Firth would move to attack next year. My take is that he's too similar in style and physique to Goldstein, so he would stay at midfield:

That would be my speculation too. Firth is a lefty who can slot into the CJ's spot. On the other side, maybe Ryan Waldman. He's righty who can pass and score.

On the FanLax forum there is speculation that this new recruit will be starting at attack next year--according to Inside Lacrosse he is a five star recruit.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiting/profile/72512?active=commitment

He looks great! We should have an exciting group at attack next year.

[jjanow99]

I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win  a NC. Much less anxiety.
Also looking forward to seeing some new faces on the field and seeing how they stack up again the rest of the Ivy League.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win  a NC. Much less anxiety.

Nope.  Time to worry about back-to-back.  ::wank::

[mike1960]

I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win  a NC. Much less anxiety.
Also looking forward to seeing some new faces on the field and seeing how they stack up again the rest of the Ivy League.

Me too!  We're not likely going to see a team like this 2025 team anytime soon. It's as close to a team with graduate students that we'll have unless the Ivy League changes its rules. To me, our team this year resembles the 2022 Maryland team in a lot of ways. I'm happy we were able to rectify that loss. Maybe Syracuse will be next.

[mike1960]

I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win  a NC. Much less anxiety.

Nope.  Time to worry about back-to-back.  ::wank::

Not impossible! I think we can be similar to the Maryland team this year in terms of talent. And we have a great head coach, one of the best in the business. (I will not rank them.) Jordan Stevens is a huge loss though. The defense really responded to his coaching and became a great unit when it counted the most.

[BearLover]

I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win  a NC. Much less anxiety.
Also looking forward to seeing some new faces on the field and seeing how they stack up again the rest of the Ivy League.

Me too!  We're not likely going to see a team like this 2025 team anytime soon. It's as close to a team with graduate students that we'll have unless the Ivy League changes its rules. To me, our team this year resembles the 2022 Maryland team in a lot of ways. I'm happy we were able to rectify that loss. Maybe Syracuse will be next.

I've been thinking this too. When the 2021 season was canceled, most (or maybe all?) of the freshmen + Michael Long took off spring semester. Four years later, we had a team loaded with fifth-years (and Long, who was technically a sixth-year). This counts their freshman season of no games as equivalent to a year of experience, so this is perhaps an exaggeration. And, of course, most other programs had the same opportunity (via COVID year or redshirting)—it is only Ivies who do not typically allow fifth year players. But the end result was a Cornell team filled with big, strong, experienced players. How large a factor this was, I don't know.

Still, I think the future is bright. We are returning Goldstein, Firth, and others who played big roles this year. We still have a great coach. And this championship should bolster recruiting. But I really do not like this trend of a mass exodus of graduating Ivy League stars using their final year of eligibility at Big 10 and ACC schools. See, for example, Maryland next year—they are again loading up on transfers, including three top players from Yale.

I agree with the notion that this championship win alleviates a ton of anxiety. This season was one of the most anxious years of Cornell sports fandom in my life. Between Schafer's last season and the impending graduation of 16 seniors (including Kirst) in men's lacrosse, it felt like this was the do-or-die year to finally win a championship. And, of course, every year it didn't happen—15 since I've been a fan, and 47 for those doing this longer than I—added to the pressure.

I am looking forward to enjoying Cornell sports in a more relaxed manner next season with this championship in our pocket. There is still the long championship drought in hockey, and though hockey is my and many other's biggest focus, lacrosse is second, and I can't deny that Cornell lacrosse was due for a title more than any other program at Cornell, and also more than any other lacrosse program in NCAA Division 1.

[chimpfood]

I would guess it's Goldstein Firth and Nicolic on attack next year. Firth and Goldstein produce enough that they need to be on attack and Nicolic has size that we are gonna need after we lose CJ and Hugh.

[Swampy]

I would guess it's Goldstein Firth and Nicolic on attack next year. Firth and Goldstein produce enough that they need to be on attack and Nicolic has size that we are gonna need after we lose CJ and Hugh.

You may be right. But Nicolic is also a good candidate for taking Hugh's place at midfield. Also, he's coming back from injury. Remember how Cascaden improved as he healed during the season. Incoming frosh Nurry may be a good fit at attack, but there's lots of adjustment to college during the first year. Goldstein was injured during the first half of his freshman season, and he was a star after that. But only this spring did people start to say his name in the same breath as "Tewaaraton."

[scoop85]

I would guess it's Goldstein Firth and Nicolic on attack next year. Firth and Goldstein produce enough that they need to be on attack and Nicolic has size that we are gonna need after we lose CJ and Hugh.

I think Nicolic stays at midfield, with Firth, Goldstein, and freshman Nurry the most likely attack line.

[billhoward]

If the new recruit is unnamed, the Cornell chooses not to trumpet all incoming players. Good,

[billhoward]

More greats: Without lacrosse attackman Alan Rimmer '71 (a Canadian), there would probably be no first Cornell lacrosse championship. In the 12-6 title game win over Maryland, Rimmer had six of the goals. He was first-team All-America but Army attackman Tom Cafaro won the Enners Award, a forerunner of the Tewaaraton. Cornell beat Army 17-16 at Army in the semifinal.

Jeff Teat, lacrosse, who started off so well, then defenses isolated on him and pushed around his 150-pound frame. He would have done better if the offense had more star power. He came into his own in pro lacrosse.

Izzy Daniel, the 2024 Patty Kazmeier Award.

Bruce Arena '73 was a star in both soccer and lacrosse. Top five in either? Maybe not. I think you deserve credit (glory to Cornell) for his coaching career.

I think anybody who medaled in the Olympics deserves mention, and even making the Olympics deserves consideration.

[ER]

I'm looking forward to next year, finally not having to think we have to win  a NC. Much less anxiety.
Also looking forward to seeing some new faces on the field and seeing how they stack up again the rest of the Ivy League.

Me too!  We're not likely going to see a team like this 2025 team anytime soon. It's as close to a team with graduate students that we'll have unless the Ivy League changes its rules. To me, our team this year resembles the 2022 Maryland team in a lot of ways. I'm happy we were able to rectify that loss. Maybe Syracuse will be next.

I've been thinking this too. When the 2021 season was canceled, most (or maybe all?) of the freshmen + Michael Long took off spring semester. Four years later, we had a team loaded with fifth-years (and Long, who was technically a sixth-year). This counts their freshman season of no games as equivalent to a year of experience, so this is perhaps an exaggeration. And, of course, most other programs had the same opportunity (via COVID year or redshirting)—it is only Ivies who do not typically allow fifth year players. But the end result was a Cornell team filled with big, strong, experienced players. How large a factor this was, I don't know.

Still, I think the future is bright. We are returning Goldstein, Firth, and others who played big roles this year. We still have a great coach. And this championship should bolster recruiting. But I really do not like this trend of a mass exodus of graduating Ivy League stars using their final year of eligibility at Big 10 and ACC schools. See, for example, Maryland next year—they are again loading up on transfers, including three top players from Yale.

I agree with the notion that this championship win alleviates a ton of anxiety. This season was one of the most anxious years of Cornell sports fandom in my life. Between Schafer's last season and the impending graduation of 16 seniors (including Kirst) in men's lacrosse, it felt like this was the do-or-die year to finally win a championship. And, of course, every year it didn't happen—15 since I've been a fan, and 47 for those doing this longer than I—added to the pressure.

I am looking forward to enjoying Cornell sports in a more relaxed manner next season with this championship in our pocket. There is still the long championship drought in hockey, and though hockey is my and many other's biggest focus, lacrosse is second, and I can't deny that Cornell lacrosse was due for a title more than any other program at Cornell, and also more than any other lacrosse program in NCAA Division 1.

I think we can rightly say we are a lacrosse school now.