Opponent and other news and results of interest 2024-2025

[George64]

Harvard wins in OT, so we'll play Dartmouth.

The ECAC website, which is terrible BTW, had last night's score in the spot for today's game 3, even though it hadn't been played yet.

Thank you pointing out the source of my error.  I was, however, looking forward to a rematch with Dartmouth considering the kerfuffle back in January.  We still might still get an opportunity in the finals if they best Clarkson.

[pjd8]

Clarkson with the win. We get Q.

How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.

We tied them twice and lost by one goal. Certainly a talented and well coached team, but not an impossible hill to climb.

Alright. Feelin' a little better about it.
Also, my BU friend says the Cornell-Q game might decide Michigan's fate, as they're 14th in pairwise, and if we win, Q gets an at-large bid and they drop out due to autobids from the shit conferences (CCHA and AHA). From what I understood, anyway.

Q losing to Cornell doesn't drop Q below, Michigan. and Michigan is done in the Big 10 so they can't improve their fate. They are almost certainly done for the season (barring some unexpected RPI math).

Atlantic Hockey and CCHA will take two bids from the top 16. And the ECAC, HE and NCHC all still have spoilers in their tournaments as well. A Q bid is not a certainty.

But there has to be an upset in one of the tourneys other than the 2 that will take the 15 and 16 spots.   There is no guarantee that there will be an upset.  The statement that knocking Q out in Lake Placid would knock out Michigan seems to be correct.

I was reading "deciding their fate" a little differently. I agree that knocking Q out will doom Michigan, but customizing Pairwise as much as I can right now, there appears to be additional paths to knocking Michigan out. If CC and Minnesota State win, that puts ASU just a hair under Michigan in RPI, and if ASU wins (which we can't plug into the customizer yet) they could knock out Michigan as well. North Dakota is too far behind in RPI to be a threat unless they win their tourney.

Michigan should be rooting hard for Q and Denver to win, and hope that Northeastern doesn't have a miracle tourney. And with three out of the five remaining NCHC teams having the ability to play spoiler, as well as three out of four ECAC teams, the Michigan camp should be very nervous right now.

What are Q's odds if we beat them next round? Not that I need extra motivation to want to win, but I have to imagine Q's odds are fairly low if they lose RPI from the loss and also an extra auto-bid gets in (Cornell/Dartmouth/Clarkson).

A Cornell win (with other higher seeds winning) right now puts Q in 13, with Minnesota State right behind them. So Q at this point is probably safe with Minn St getting the CCHA bid and being in the top 16. Michigan (15) would lose out to the ECAC and Atlantic Hockey autobids.

If I have all the higher seeds whose names show up under the customize tab win their next game, Q moves up to 11 in Pairwise and Michigan falls to 15, but 14 again is Minnesota State, so Michigan could still squeak in. But North Dakota and ASU aren't showing up there, and they are hovering right behind Michigan. So when I pick Western Michigan to win against TBD, I don't think that dings North Dakota in RPI. And I can't choose a Denver-ASU winner yet.

As Adam said, Michigan isn't out of it. But they have multiple paths to getting there.

[Jim Hyla]

Can anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?

[ugarte]

Can anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?

they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.

[Jim Hyla]

CHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.

If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.

not finalized - just a placeholder.

Like other places you could put TBD or TBA as a placeholder.

That would be less confusing. At least to old guys like me, who try to believe what's written.

I try not to think of "alternative facts."

[Jim Hyla]

Can anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?

they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.

I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.

I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.

[adamw]

CHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.

If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.

not finalized - just a placeholder.

Like other places you could put TBD or TBA as a placeholder.

That would be less confusing. At least to old guys like me, who try to believe what's written.

I try not to think of "alternative facts."

I understand. It's a catch-22 to me, which is why I've always left it this way. In my mind, it's nice to know the times of the two games in general, even if they teams will be flipped. But I get how it can seem confusing.

[adamw]

A Cornell win (with other higher seeds winning) right now puts Q in 13, with Minnesota State right behind them. So Q at this point is probably safe with Minn St getting the CCHA bid and being in the top 16. Michigan (15) would lose out to the ECAC and Atlantic Hockey autobids.

There's multiple scenarios where, if Q loses the semi, it drops below Penn State, and so - say - Arizona State winning the NCHC - would knock Q out.

[stereax]

Can anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?

I brought it up, mea culpa. Came up in conversation with a friend that if we beat Q, Michigan almost assuredly slips out of the bubble. Given Michigan's program pedigree and how many NHL products they've cranked out over the past few years, that's intriguing as hell. Also, Ethan Edwards, for Devils fans like me and that friend.

[CU2007]

CHN has us at 7:30 for the second game.

If correct, that's nice for our fans, but surprises me. Would think that Q would want the early game.

Wouldn't put too much stock in that. CHN had all sorts of game times and dates wrong in the past few weeks - for example it showed us playing Yale on the Friday night until about Wednesday of that week.

edit - sorry I just realized what you meant.....

Times constantly change, which is why they are "wrong" -- when it comes to playoffs, teams change them constantly. Also, we get a feed from the NCAA's portal - which the teams are supposed to insert into and keep updated. And often they are different than what is on the team's web site. This week alone, I had to email 4 schools to ask about discrepancies. No other web site curator out there emails teams trying to make sure everything is correct, I assure you, whether that be schedules or stats.

We have an automated process that checks our stuff against the "official" portal - times, locations, dates, opponents, etc... I get a report every morning on what doesn't match. 99% of the time, the "official" portal is wrong and we're right.

I believe in the case of Cornell-Yale, they didn't know yet what date it would be. We had to put the game in system before knowing the date, in order to make everything else we do run properly -- Pairwise, Pairwise Customizer, Probability Matrix, etc...

Can't say we're never wrong - but barking up the wrong tree here. I can assure you we're the least wrong  our whole system depends upon it being right.

Sorry Adam - did not mean to imply CHN was lazy or negligent or anything like that - just that very early on the game times etc seem to function more as a placeholder than anything. Cheers

[Tom Lento]

Clarkson with the win. We get Q.

How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.

I suspect it'll come down to whether or not Cornell stays out of the box.

My gut says a healthy and effective Cornell team will be better even strength, but if they were to trade penalties all game Q would have a huge advantage. They ended the RS with the best PP in the country.

[fastforward]

Clarkson with the win. We get Q.

How do we feel about Q, genuinely?
And Harvard still sucks. God bless.

I suspect it'll come down to whether or not Cornell stays out of the box.

My gut says a healthy and effective Cornell team will be better even strength, but if they were to trade penalties all game Q would have a huge advantage. They ended the RS with the best PP in the country.

I completely agree as we seem to take too many stupid penalties.

[chimpfood]

Harvard loses their goalie Koskenvuo to the Canucks. Surprising because he really hasn't been that good. I'd imagine that Charette takes over for them next year, shouldn't be much of a drop off from Koskenvuo

[Trotsky]

Can anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?

they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.

I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.

I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.

They're fairly universally hated.  When a list of schools with alumni who have a ridiculous hyperbolic estimation of their school's academics comes around, you can guarantee that USC, Duke, Michigan, and Dartmouth will always be on it.

They aren't bad schools per se.  Michigan among those four is clearly the best in actuality.  But their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves.  I'm sure there are others.  I was going to include Notre Dame but that is more cultural overall than academic.

[marty]

Can anybody tell me why so many people care about whether Michigan makes the NCAAs?

they don't. they care about whether they can predict the pairwise outcomes. michigan is the team that happens to be on the bubble.

I think it's more than that. Michigan has come up on other occasions.

I'm not going to search back, but if it shows, I'll point it out.

They're fairly universally hated.  When a list of schools with alumni who have a ridiculous hyperbolic estimation of their school's academics comes around, you can guarantee that USC, Duke, Michigan, and Dartmouth will always be on it.

They aren't bad schools per se.  Michigan among those four is clearly the best in actuality.  But their alumni are just obnoxiously proud of themselves.  I'm sure there are others.  I was going to include Notre Dame but that is more cultural overall than academic.

All of the damn Ivies!!  You aren't where you went to school.