Recruits 2025 and Beyond

Started by scoop85, August 03, 2024, 11:44:05 PM

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stereax

Quote from: ugarteno opinion on when he comes. best man plays. goalie is a lonely position and backup is a rough place to end up but the best player plays for the good of the team.
Yeah, but it's better for his own development to play this year in the Q and then come to Cornell imho. Plays games against top talent instead of sitting on the bench. Plus, Keopple is penciled in as the starter this year and Cournoyer would be 3rd behind Katz. And while I like him as a person I'm still not sold on whether he'll be effective in the NCAA were he to get a chance - the Q is the weakest of the three CHL leagues and he only has like 20 games of experience there.
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CU2007

Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.

Weder

Quote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.

Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx
3/8/96

Beeeej

Quote from: Weder
Quote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.

Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx

The release claims two of the fourteen incoming are transfers, but thirteen are listed as coming directly from juniors conferences, with only Ashton transferring from Minnesota State. Anybody know what the disconnect is here?
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization.  It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
   - Steve Worona

ugarte

Quote from: Beeeej
Quote from: Weder
Quote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.

Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx

The release claims two of the fourteen incoming are transfers, but thirteen are listed as coming directly from juniors conferences, with only Ashton transferring from Minnesota State. Anybody know what the disconnect is here?
Most likely is "i was told this job did not include math" or the late addition of Cournoyer and old copy that didn't get edited.

Michael Fisher (Northeastern) and Luke Ashton (Minnesota State) are the two transfers. The error is that Fisher is listed with his Junior team.

BearLover

Quote from: Beeeej
Quote from: Weder
Quote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.

Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx

The release claims two of the fourteen incoming are transfers, but thirteen are listed as coming directly from juniors conferences, with only Ashton transferring from Minnesota State. Anybody know what the disconnect is here?
Fisher went back to juniors last year after playing the 2023-24 season with Northeastern.

Beeeej

Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Beeeej
Quote from: Weder
Quote from: CU2007Announcement today on the Athletics website lists Cournoyer as coming in the fall. Great news from my perspective as I welcome the competition in the crease.

Link: https://cornellbigred.com/news/2025/6/5/mens-ice-hockey-2025-26-newcomers-release.aspx

The release claims two of the fourteen incoming are transfers, but thirteen are listed as coming directly from juniors conferences, with only Ashton transferring from Minnesota State. Anybody know what the disconnect is here?
Fisher went back to juniors last year after playing the 2023-24 season with Northeastern.

Excellent, thank you. I even tried to find the answer here in the forum but apparently didn't put together the right search.
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization.  It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
   - Steve Worona

chimpfood

Wow I'm surprised that Arsenault, Ryan, McCrady and Hamilton are all coming in, I expected more like two of the four to come in. I was also definitely expecting Pelletier but now he's poised to be a big time USHL scorer, hopefully that's better for his development than being on the bench here. Massive group of newcomers, excited to see what they've got.

ugarte

[gratuitous and poorly reasoned shot at bearlover's concerns about the shift from schafer to jones that converts his anxiety about change into a moral judgment]

BearLover

Quote from: chimpfoodWow I'm surprised that Arsenault, Ryan, McCrady and Hamilton are all coming in, I expected more like two of the four to come in. I was also definitely expecting Pelletier but now he's poised to be a big time USHL scorer, hopefully that's better for his development than being on the bench here. Massive group of newcomers, excited to see what they've got.
No Pelletier is strange, he had a good year in the USHL, and in his stead we're bringing in some players who didn't really produce in juniors. It's almost like the staff likes recruits to play two years of juniors (Pelletier has only played one, and the other guys we're bringing in have already played two). Of course, players like Castagna and Barron never played junior hockey, and Pelletier's junior teammate DiGiulian is coming in after just one junior season, so if the staff thinks you're ready, they're willing to bring you in early. Perhaps they told Pelletier that he had the option of dominating the USHL or competing for a support role at Cornell, and he chose another year of juniors. It is possible a similar choice was posed to Pirtle last year—Pirtle was BCHL rookie of the year but played another year of juniors. And for the guys who have already played two years of juniors, the staff may believe there's not much more room to grow before matriculating.

There's a lot to digest about this class.
—no Pelletier, as discussed above.
—it's massive. 14 incoming recruits must be the largest in the history of Cornell hockey. The staff and leaders are going to have their work cut out for them getting everyone up to speed on the culture and expectations. Adding to the difficulty is that there is a new head coach, a new assistant coach, and very few seniors.
—Cournoyer is on his way to Ithaca. 4 goalies. I have never seen 4 goalies on our roster before. For purposes of winning hockey games, this is likely the right move. Particularly because, if Cornouyer is really good, we probably won't keep him four years anyway, so bringing him a year earlier could mean an extra season down the rosd. Seems pretty rough for Keopple/Katz/Roest but maybe one of them can beat out Cournoyer this year. Cournoyer will enter as the favorite though.
—In terms of player quality we likely have the second best team in the ECAC after Quinnipiac. But there are so many question marks. Not only do we have 14 new players but nobody really knows how to evaluate the influx of CHL players, particularly on Clarkson and Quinnipiac.

chimpfood

Numbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.

I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?

BearLover

One other thing I meant to say above is that bringing in more recruits opens up more slots for future recruits. I commend Schafer, Jones, and the rest of the staff for miraculously retaining every single recruit despite the coaching change. At most programs, a lot of recruits would decommit upon a coaching change, and moreover a new coach would tell existing recruits to take a hike. All 20 or so committed players at the time Schafer announced his retirement remain committed, even those who maybe didn't put up the junior results they were hoping for. On the other hand, the fact that all these recruits stayed loyal to Cornell, and that the new coaches stayed loyal to the recruits, makes Robertson's decision to transfer even more bananas.

BearLover

Quote from: chimpfoodNumbers are also shown on the roster. Gorski is 2, Veilleux 4, McCrady 7, Ryan 12, Fisher 16, Long 17, DiGiulian 18, Arsenault 19, Hiscock 21, Pirtle 22, Hamilton 26, Ashton 27, Cournoyer 30, Roest 40.

I can't remember another #40 for Cornell, anyone got one?
Major was 16 last year. Is he changing numbers?

stereax

Quote from: BearLoverOne other thing I meant to say above is that bringing in more recruits opens up more slots for future recruits. I commend Schafer, Jones, and the rest of the staff for miraculously retaining every single recruit despite the coaching change. At most programs, a lot of recruits would decommit upon a coaching change, and moreover a new coach would tell existing recruits to take a hike. All 20 or so committed players at the time Schafer announced his retirement remain committed, even those who maybe didn't put up the junior results they were hoping for. On the other hand, the fact that all these recruits stayed loyal to Cornell, and that the new coaches stayed loyal to the recruits, makes Robertson's decision to transfer even more bananas.
Michigan is a much bigger program lmao. If they wanted him, playing there is a more "sure-fire" way to getting more eyes and eventually the possibility of an NHL deal. Plus the NIL specter. Plus iirc Mich graduated/lost almost all its good dmen.
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