Cornell lacrosse 2025

[billhoward]

How on earth do you register on fanlax? I've tried to to make an account multiple times but the confirmation question says "Paul and Gary's last name. 4 letters." I've tried putting random stuff but it says invalid answer. I don't think I'm a robot but I cannot decipher what that means

All-time post!!

This is an IQ test with a low bar.
Just gotta google "lacrosse paul gary" and the answer pops up, along wih the sad reminder that Paul Gait was paralyzed 3 years ago in a fall at the Gait lacrosse warehouse.

[mike1960]

Revised.

[billhoward]

Media poll for April 14, Cornell again at No. 1, now with all the first-place votes. One problem with beating the teams we've beaten: They fall out of the top five and then we have, currently, only Princeton as a top-five victory. Should we beat No. 10 Harvard this week, they'd probably fall out, too.

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[b]Rank Team                Points Prev
[color=#CC0000]1 Cornell (10 - 1) 460(23) 1[/color][/b]
[b]2 Princeton (9 - 2) 429 3[/b]
3 Maryland (9 - 2) 410 6
4 Army (10 - 1)        379 5
5 North Carolina (9 - 2) 351 7
6 Ohio State (11 - 2) 349 2
[b]7 Syracuse (9 - 3) 327 4[/b]
[b]8 Penn State (8 - 3) 300 8[/b]
9 Notre Dame (6 - 3) 280 9
[b]10 Harvard (9 - 2) 267 10[/b]
11 Richmond (9 - 3) 229 11
12 Duke (9 - 4)        190 12
13 Michigan (7 - 5) 188 14
14 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 142 17
15 Fairfield (11 - 1) 137 16
[b]16 Denver (7 - 5)        91 27[/b]
17 Georgetown (7 - 4) 78 13
18 Rutgers (6 - 7) 56 18
19 UMass (9 - 3)        41 21
20 Sacred Heart (9 - 2) 30 23
Receiving Votes: Johns Hopkins, Villanova, [b]Yale[/b], Boston U, Lafayette, Virginia, Towson, [b]Dartmouth[/b], Siena, Bryant, Navy
Cornell opponents in bold.
This is four weeks in a row at No. 1. Notre Dame was No. 1 for the the first five polls but two of them were Pre-Season and Week 0. FYI, in RPI, Cornell is No. 5, behind Princeton, Maryland, Penn State and North Carolina. Saturday's opponent Harvard is No. 7 and Syracuse is down to No. 8. The lowest RPI of our opponents, 51st of 65, is Hobart. Brown is the lowest Ivy at 35. Princeton's other loss is to Maryland by 4, at Princeton. They have beaten Duke by 1 and UNC by 2. Is it possible the NCAA could seed us below No. 1? Out of the top 4? (Even if we win out?) https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi

[LGR14]

Media poll for April 14, Cornell again at No. 1, now with all the first-place votes. One problem with beating the teams we've beaten: They fall out of the top five and then we have, currently, only Princeton as a top-five victory. Should we beat No. 10 Harvard this week, they'd probably fall out, too.

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[b]Rank Team                Points Prev
[color=#CC0000]1 Cornell (10 - 1) 460(23) 1[/color][/b]
[b]2 Princeton (9 - 2) 429 3[/b]
3 Maryland (9 - 2) 410 6
4 Army (10 - 1)        379 5
5 North Carolina (9 - 2) 351 7
6 Ohio State (11 - 2) 349 2
[b]7 Syracuse (9 - 3) 327 4[/b]
[b]8 Penn State (8 - 3) 300 8[/b]
9 Notre Dame (6 - 3) 280 9
[b]10 Harvard (9 - 2) 267 10[/b]
11 Richmond (9 - 3) 229 11
12 Duke (9 - 4)        190 12
13 Michigan (7 - 5) 188 14
14 Saint Joseph's (9 - 3) 142 17
15 Fairfield (11 - 1) 137 16
[b]16 Denver (7 - 5)        91 27[/b]
17 Georgetown (7 - 4) 78 13
18 Rutgers (6 - 7) 56 18
19 UMass (9 - 3)        41 21
20 Sacred Heart (9 - 2) 30 23
Receiving Votes: Johns Hopkins, Villanova, [b]Yale[/b], Boston U, Lafayette, Virginia, Towson, [b]Dartmouth[/b], Siena, Bryant, Navy
Cornell opponents in bold.
This is four weeks in a row at No. 1. Notre Dame was No. 1 for the the first five polls but two of them were Pre-Season and Week 0. FYI, in RPI, Cornell is No. 5, behind Princeton, Maryland, Penn State and North Carolina. Saturday's opponent Harvard is No. 7 and Syracuse is down to No. 8. The lowest RPI of our opponents, 51st of 65, is Hobart. Brown is the lowest Ivy at 35. Princeton's other loss is to Maryland by 4, at Princeton. They have beaten Duke by 1 and UNC by 2. Is it possible the NCAA could seed us below No. 1? Out of the top 4? (Even if we win out?) https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d1/ncaa-mens-lacrosse-rpi

Isn't the top 5, 10, etc. wins criteria based on RPI rather than the poll?

[billhoward]

Also for April 14 week (after the Syracuse game), Quint Kessenich, fresh from covering the Frozen Four, has these teams on top https://laxallstars.com/quint-kessenichs-top-20-april-14-2025/:

1 Cornell
QK: "Big Red (10-1) hit the ten-win mark after putting up 17 goals against Syracuse on Long Island. CJ Kirst and Ryan Goldstein ran circles around the Orange defense with patience and precision. Goalie Wyatt Knust was razor sharp early while building an 8-2 lead. Cornell has nine Long Island public school players on the roster. I love the grit. You have to respect the 16 goals per game this offense is averaging. Sophomore Ryan Goldstein is averaging three assists per game. ... Cornell did not qualify for the NCAA tournament in 2024. They've made champ weekend appearances in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2018, and 2022. This senior class played in that 2022 title game. The 160-year-old program owns NCAA titles in 1971, 1976, and 1977. Dust 'em off.

2  Princeton
3  Maryland
4  Syracuse
5  Army
6  NC
7  Ohio State
8  Notre Dame
9  Harvard
10 Penn State
...
19 Yale

[billhoward]

Isn't the top 5, 10, etc. wins criteria based on RPI rather than the poll?

For the NCAA determination of the best way to screw Cornell and seed us, say, sixth and in the Denver quarterfinal (yes, I know the quarterfinals are not in Denver but at Hofstra and Navy), I believe it is based on RPI. Third parties such as Quint Kessenich could choose it to be his own poll or RPI.

[upprdeck]

I didnt think Lax used straight RPI type stuff like hockey does though?

[LGR14]

Isn't the top 5, 10, etc. wins criteria based on RPI rather than the poll?

For the NCAA determination of the best way to screw Cornell and seed us, say, sixth and in the Denver quarterfinal (yes, I know the quarterfinals are not in Denver but at Hofstra and Navy), I believe it is based on RPI. Third parties such as Quint Kessenich could choose it to be his own poll or RPI.

Right, I was referring more to the point in your first paragraph.

[CU77]

I didnt think Lax used straight RPI type stuff like hockey does though?

Officially, no. Unofficially, kinda yes. Committee chair one year said they just started with the RPI list and then made adjustments.

This is a consequence of the official criteria being basically impossible to grok:

Primary Criteria:
Strength-of-schedule index [average RPI of top-10 opponents]
Results of the RPI:
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+.
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins).
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses).
Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
Additionally, input is provided by the regional advisory committee for consideration by the Division I Men's Lacrosse Committee. Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used by the committee for selection purposes.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/lacrosse/d1/men/2024-25D1MLA_PreChamps.pdf

[BearLover]

I didnt think Lax used straight RPI type stuff like hockey does though?

Officially, no. Unofficially, kinda yes. Committee chair one year said they just started with the RPI list and then made adjustments.

This is a consequence of the official criteria being basically impossible to grok:

Primary Criteria:
Strength-of-schedule index [average RPI of top-10 opponents]
Results of the RPI:
- Record against ranked teams 1-5; 6-10; 11-15; 16-20; 21+.
- Average RPI win (average RPI of all wins).
- Average RPI loss (average RPI of all losses).
Head-to-head competition:
- Results versus common opponents.
- Significant wins and losses (wins against teams ranked higher in the RPI and losses against teams ranked lower in the RPI).
- Locations of contests.
Additionally, input is provided by the regional advisory committee for consideration by the Division I Men's Lacrosse Committee. Coaches' polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used by the committee for selection purposes.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/lacrosse/d1/men/2024-25D1MLA_PreChamps.pdf

The "criteria" is complete and utter nonsense, since it's all already supposed to be factored into RPI except they're choosing to weight random games more than others (why is beating #20 and losing to #30 any different from losing to #20 and beating #30?). But at the same time, I suspect 13 or so games is not enough of a sample for RPI to be a reliable indicator. In hockey we have 30+ games and can rely on the PWR, but in lacrosse there's no good solution: on one hand you have the RPI based on a tiny sample, on the other hand you have fallible humans going off random criteria that doesn't make any sense.

[chimpfood]

I mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.

[upprdeck]

we  played PSU denver Syracuse Richmond all in top 20.

With so few teams playing the sport the RPI is volatile

[scoop85]

I mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.

Lehigh and Albany both won their league championships last year and both have performed below expectations this year. Only Hobart was seen before this season as a truly weak team on the schedule.

[Swampy]

I mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.

Lehigh and Albany both won their league championships last year and both have performed below expectations this year. Only Hobart was seen before this season as a truly weak team on the schedule.

And there's a long history of Cornell vs Hobart. Say what you want about it, but the Ivy League tag leans heavily on tradition for its panache.

[mike1960]

I mean RPI is probably here to stay so I don't know why we keep putting ourselves in this situation by scheduling multiple teams like Lehigh, Hobart, and Albany in the same year. I understand that some schools don't want to do a home and home with us but it's better to not hold a grudge about that and just play a good team away than it is to play these bad teams.

Lehigh and Albany both won their league championships last year and both have performed below expectations this year. Only Hobart was seen before this season as a truly weak team on the schedule.

And there's a long history of Cornell vs Hobart. Say what you want about it, but the Ivy League tag leans heavily on tradition for its panache.

Nothing inherently wrong with that.