Lacrosse Final Four 2023

[ugarte]

if you don't want to lose on a faceoff get a better fogo. sudden death in lax makes perfect sense to me.

[Swampy]

if you don't want to lose on a faceoff get a better fogo. sudden death in lax makes perfect sense to me.

Well, in Cornell v Michigan our FOGO won the faceoff and ran unimpeded towards the goal. He took a shot, which Michigan's GK saved. Then, at the other end, a 1st-year defender was caught taking his eyes off the man he was marking, and Michigan scored.

This was certainly fair, in the sense both teams had a chance to win. OTOH, it was hardly representative of the game, or even the previous 60 seconds when besides winning the faceoff, we had previously hit a pipe.

[ugarte]

if you don't want to lose on a faceoff get a better fogo. sudden death in lax makes perfect sense to me.

Well, in Cornell v Michigan our FOGO won the faceoff and ran unimpeded towards the goal. He took a shot, which Michigan's GK saved. Then, at the other end, a 1st-year defender was caught taking his eyes off the man he was marking, and Michigan scored.

This was certainly fair, in the sense both teams had a chance to win. OTOH, it was hardly representative of the game, or even the previous 60 seconds when besides winning the faceoff, we had previously hit a pipe.

so we won on sklansky goals. run of play can make a game interesting and is worth noting for predictive value but WHO CARES! we don't play the games to figure out the best team we play them to determine the WINNER.

[Swampy]

if you don't want to lose on a faceoff get a better fogo. sudden death in lax makes perfect sense to me.

Well, in Cornell v Michigan our FOGO won the faceoff and ran unimpeded towards the goal. He took a shot, which Michigan's GK saved. Then, at the other end, a 1st-year defender was caught taking his eyes off the man he was marking, and Michigan scored.

This was certainly fair, in the sense both teams had a chance to win. OTOH, it was hardly representative of the game, or even the previous 60 seconds when besides winning the faceoff, we had previously hit a pipe.

so we won on sklansky goals. run of play can make a game interesting and is worth noting for predictive value but WHO CARES! we don't play the games to figure out the best team we play them to determine the WINNER.

Right, but we're discussing what's the best way to determine a winner. In the NBA they play five-minute OT's until there's a decisive winner. By what criteria would doing something similar in lacrosse be inferior to the current, sudden death/victory rule?

[ugarte]

if you don't want to lose on a faceoff get a better fogo. sudden death in lax makes perfect sense to me.

Well, in Cornell v Michigan our FOGO won the faceoff and ran unimpeded towards the goal. He took a shot, which Michigan's GK saved. Then, at the other end, a 1st-year defender was caught taking his eyes off the man he was marking, and Michigan scored.

This was certainly fair, in the sense both teams had a chance to win. OTOH, it was hardly representative of the game, or even the previous 60 seconds when besides winning the faceoff, we had previously hit a pipe.

so we won on sklansky goals. run of play can make a game interesting and is worth noting for predictive value but WHO CARES! we don't play the games to figure out the best team we play them to determine the WINNER.

Right, but we're discussing what's the best way to determine a winner. In the NBA they play five-minute OT's until there's a decisive winner. By what criteria would doing something similar in lacrosse be inferior to the current, sudden death/victory rule?

there is nothing that makes one preferable to the other besides personal preference. the rules are not reflective of some ideal principle of fairness, they are reflective of being the rules of the game. tiebreaker rules are rarely changed to reflect fairness, they are changed to reflect something exogenous to fairness having to do with the marketability of the game.

The NFL changed it's rules because there was a real fairness issue to "calling the coin toss" added to the dissatisfaction of a team winning with a good return and a field goal. A faceoff is a lacrosse play. If you win it, you can win the game "fairly." The NBA has OT because the scoring is *so* frequent that sudden death is aesthetically unsatisfying but it wouldn't be unfair. Soccer is a little schizo about golden goals because of a century of tradition and a comfort level with ties that is entirely unheard of in American culture but even they eventually bowed to the gospel of the shootout.