Cornell football 2023

[upprdeck]

I've long believed it costs a lot to win,
but even more to lose.  Cornell needs to invest much more in football (coaching salaries, facilities, etc.).  I think the investment would generate a return.

What return would it show.

If you spend 10 million to fix a few things around the program. Where that money come back to ?  There is no new TV money no bowl revenue.  

Say we become the best in the ivies, what do we get a few thousand more in the stands it would take 50 yrs to get that 10 million back in real dollars.

The boosters drive the programs to succeed.. Even like hockey which generates real money doesn't get any support from the school.

[Al DeFlorio]

When is the last time you have been back to Cornell to speak with either students or staff?   I think Martha Pollack is a very good administrator just not a good college president or leader.  It's not just the football program right now as Martha Pollack has been a very divisive leader on campus.  It's obvious among many of our students and staff they do not like Martha Pollack as she is not visible and does not show empathy.   Cornell has had some great presidents, I just think Martha Pollack has been a very poor fit on the East Hill.   I think our students deserve a president who brings more positive energy to the East Hill.

And you base these pronouncements on what?  How often have you spoken to Pollack?  What student and staff surveys are you citing?  Are you also constantly whining about Pollack under a different ID on Voy Forums?

[upprdeck]

I dont think Pollack is well liked on campus at all and its clear she has no love of sports.

[CU2007]

Lot of talk about salaries. What does Archer make? What about the coordinators?

[George64]

Lot of talk about salaries. What does Archer make? What about the coordinators?

Also, a roster with 116 players.  How much does it cost to outfit and coach this many players?  How many players must we have?  Do other Ivy teams have this many players?

[George64]

During Pollack's presidency, applications for admission & yield have reached new highs, & admit rates record lows. The last two years were the best fundraising years in Cornell's history.  And Cornell is planning to build the new indoor athletics facility.

Not to mention an additional building for Bowers CIS, new Brooks School of Public Policy and Atkinson Center for Sustainability.  As much as I'd like to see a better football program, these are what elevate Cornell's profile.  While arguably President Pollack is no Frank Rhodes or David Skorton, as an undergrad and grad student on the hill, I don't recall ever seeing Deane Mallott or Jim Perkins.

[jmeaneyjr]

Hofher was a great coach and student of the game. I remember him as a young man, he's now 66!

I have said Archer should go for years. He is now in year 11 and we are guaranteed no better than .500 this year!  How does one remain a coach for 11 years with not one .500+ season?

I was recruited by Musick and had the ill-fated George Seifert as my coach the last two years. He was canned after just those two years (a lot of BS politics were involved) and went on to coach at Stanford and the 49ers.
(I think he still holds the record for fastest NFL coach to 100 wins.) So how does Archer remain Head Coach?  Somebody or some group just couldn't care less, I guess.  If that is the case, then why continue the charade?  JUst say we don't give a crap about football. Alumni are entitled to know the truth!

Clearly, Cornell is capable of having very competitive (even dominant) Ivy League teams. Do we have to go beyond Hockey or Lacrosse to prove this point? And good, competitive teams attract fans.  You want a crowd?  Just win baby!
Further, it's not like we don't have any talent.  The Ivy League wins this year vs. Yale and Brown were not flukes.  We have some talented players and they played well!

So it comes down to coaching, pure and simple.  Seifert got only two years which was too short.  Archer has had 11 with zero plus .500 seasons,  In a word, that is ridiculous!

[Swampy]

During Pollack's presidency, applications for admission & yield have reached new highs, & admit rates record lows. The last two years were the best fundraising years in Cornell's history.  And Cornell is planning to build the new indoor athletics facility.

Not to mention an additional building for Bowers CIS, new Brooks School of Public Policy and Atkinson Center for Sustainability.  As much as I'd like to see a better football program, these are what elevate Cornell's profile.  While arguably President Pollack is no Frank Rhodes or David Skorton, as an undergrad and grad student on the hill, I don't recall ever seeing Deane Mallott or Jim Perkins.

I saw Jim Perkins at the end of Parents' Weekend, 1968. ::bugeye::

[George64]

Seifert got only two years which was too short.  Archer has had 11 with zero plus .500 seasons,  In a word, that is ridiculous!

I've always thought that Seifert was let go because Bob Blackman, who was very successful at Dartmouth, had a losing record at Illinois and became available.  However, even he had a losing record at Cornell, but not at all comparable to Archer's.  Hopefully, new AD Nicki Moore will have less patience than Andy Noel, or Archer will see the handwriting on the wall and resign.

[George64]

During Pollack's presidency, applications for admission & yield have reached new highs, & admit rates record lows. The last two years were the best fundraising years in Cornell's history.  And Cornell is planning to build the new indoor athletics facility.

Not to mention an additional building for Bowers CIS, new Brooks School of Public Policy and Atkinson Center for Sustainability.  As much as I'd like to see a better football program, these are what elevate Cornell's profile.  While arguably President Pollack is no Frank Rhodes or David Skorton, as an undergrad and grad student on the hill, I don't recall ever seeing Deane Mallott or Jim Perkins.

I saw Jim Perkins at the end of Parents' Weekend, 1968. ::bugeye::

Yes, I recall seeing a picture of him in the New York Times.

[jmeaneyjr]

Perhaps, but there was a lot more going on and I never heard the Blackman angle at the time. Sadly, I think Noel kind of "mailed it in" for the last few years.  The point is that the powers that be seem to be content with a persistent ineptitude. Winning feeds on itself and, unfortunately, losing does too!

[Local Motion]

I am confident our new AD Nicki Moore will address the football program at Cornell.   She comes from Colgate where football has always be a priority in their athletic department, although they have also had issues with coaching turnover as of late.  

Again, one of the biggest challenges Nicki Moore will have at Cornell is dealing with Martha Pollack, who since her arrival has made it clear athletics is not a priority for her administration.  We can argue all we want, but Martha Pollack is probably the most AWOL and negative president Cornell has had in 50 years.   She doesn't care about Ivy League sports and everyone in the athletic department knows that.   Her ongoing delays of the new indoor practice facility have driven up the costs significantly as well.

[Ken711]

I am confident our new AD Nicki Moore will address the football program at Cornell.   She comes from Colgate where football has always be a priority in their athletic department, although they have also had issues with coaching turnover as of late.  

Again, one of the biggest challenges Nicki Moore will have at Cornell is dealing with Martha Pollack, who since her arrival has made it clear athletics is not a priority for her administration.  We can argue all we want, but Martha Pollack is probably the most AWOL and negative president Cornell has had in 50 years.   She doesn't care about Ivy League sports and everyone in the athletic department knows that.   Her ongoing delays of the new indoor practice facility have driven up the costs significantly as well.

Give it a rest with the Martha Pollock talk, it's tiresome.  It's the job of the AD to hire and fire coaches.

[Local Motion]

Ken711.........look we can agree to disagree, but the reality in order for our new AD Nicki Moore to be successful she has to get support from the current administration.   Andy Noel had been trying to get the new indoor practice facility built since former president Elizabeth Garrett gave it her blessing back in 2016.   Andy wanted on campus and Pollack wanted two miles off campus on Game Farm Rd or what ever they call that place.  Andy also fought hard to keep Hoy Field on campus, but Martha Pollack won that battle.  Nothing happens on the East Hill without the support of Day Hall.

[Chris '03]

Ken711.........look we can agree to disagree, but the reality in order for our new AD Nicki Moore to be successful she has to get support from the current administration.   Andy Noel had been trying to get the new indoor practice facility built since former president Elizabeth Garrett gave it her blessing back in 2016.   Andy wanted on campus and Pollack wanted two miles off campus on Game Farm Rd or what ever they call that place.  Andy also fought hard to keep Hoy Field on campus, but Martha Pollack won that battle.  Nothing happens on the East Hill without the support of Day Hall.

Andy worked for five different presidents and delivered zero football titles. Maybe he should have cared about  football.