Wrestling 21-22

[blackwidow]

Welp..

[ugarte]

Semis
125: Not Arujau's night. He gave up a takedown and while escaping got into a scramble where he ended up getting exposed for 4NF. Had to come from behind and it left him vulnerable. LMD 13-5. He will wrestle #8 McKee (Minnesota) in the placement match to see if he wrestles for 3rd or 5th.

149: Yianni's trip to the finals was never in doubt. W 6-3. Sasso never close to scoring. Yianni will face #10 Lovett of Nebraska in the Finals. Despite the seed, Lovett gave Yianni his only scare of the season before Yianni won in SV.

Blood round

165: Ramirez was robbed. With a one point lead and time winding down, Kharchla went for a shot and they got into a scramble. They looked parallel all the way to the whistle and even though it didn't look like the position changed, at some point Kharchla was awarded a TD. The call was upheld on challenge but I'm not buying it. L 4-3.

184: Incredible win by Loew. W 3-1 SV. Loew made all the attempts at scoring but it was still 1-1 when it went to SV. I thought Loew got robbed by a stalemate call when he was on the verge of scoring but it didn't matter when he finally converted early in SV for the W.

Loew's reward for the win over Braunagel was a match with #4 Keckeisen (N. Iowa). Keckeisen generated most of the offense, with 2 TD and a reversal, but Loew kept it close by getting out from bottom quickly. His 4 escapes had him within striking distance and when he got a TD with ~1:20 left to tie the score it looked like he might have a chance. Keckeisen escaped quickly and Loew wasn't able to chase him down in the last 1:11. L 7-6. Loew will wrestle for 7th against #8 Marcus Coleman (Iowa State).

285: Fernandes was so close. SO CLOSE. He escaped in the second to take a 1-0 lead. Starting the third on top, he was riding hard and accumulated over a minute of RT. Lance stood up and Fernandes threw him back to the mat but Nebraska successfully challenged that Fernandes had locked his hands during the return and Lance was awarded a penalty point. If Fernandes had been able to ride him out, he'd have won 2-1 with the RT. Alas, Lance escaped, so the RT point only sent the match to SV. Lance got the first clean takedown of the match. L 4-2 SV.

After Day 2, Cornell is in 8th place. Yianni will go for his third title tomorrow night. In the 11am session, Vito will wrestle for placement and then wrestle for either 3rd or 5th and Loew will wrestle for 7th place.

Three All-Americans is better than chalk but still disappointing the way it went down. Ramirez and Fernandes were both seconds away from joining their teammates. They'll be back.

[ugarte]

Vito Arujau has no trouble in the morning session. In the consolation semifinal he beats #8 McKee (Minnesota) W 7-3 and follows it up in the the third place match with a WMD 10-2 over #10 DeAugustino (Northwestern). Congrats to Vito on his second All-American finish, and an improvement on his 4th place finish in 2019, but his face showed how much he expected/wanted to be wrestling tonight for the title.

Cornell sits in 8th place with a shot at 6th (Loew for 7th soon, then Yianni for 1st tonight) but the teams in 6th (NW) and 7th(VT) still have opportunities to score, as do a couple of teams in shouting distance behind us like Missouri.

[blackwidow]

Vito Arujau has no trouble in the morning session. In the consolation semifinal he beats #8 McKee (Minnesota) W 7-3 and follows it up in the the third place match with a WMD 10-2 over #10 DeAugustino (Northwestern). Congrats to Vito on his second All-American finish, and an improvement on his 4th place finish in 2019, but his face showed how much he expected/wanted to be wrestling tonight for the title.

Cornell sits in 8th place with a shot at 6th (Loew for 7th soon, then Yianni for 1st tonight) but the teams in 6th (NW) and 7th(VT) still have opportunities to score, as do a couple of teams in shouting distance behind us like Missouri.

how would you rate Vito's talent level? Do you think he has enough raw talent to make it at the highest level? Wondering if his inconsistency comes from his not having enough maturity as a strategist.

[ugarte]

Vito Arujau has no trouble in the morning session. In the consolation semifinal he beats #8 McKee (Minnesota) W 7-3 and follows it up in the the third place match with a WMD 10-2 over #10 DeAugustino (Northwestern). Congrats to Vito on his second All-American finish, and an improvement on his 4th place finish in 2019, but his face showed how much he expected/wanted to be wrestling tonight for the title.

Cornell sits in 8th place with a shot at 6th (Loew for 7th soon, then Yianni for 1st tonight) but the teams in 6th (NW) and 7th(VT) still have opportunities to score, as do a couple of teams in shouting distance behind us like Missouri.

how would you rate Vito's talent level? Do you think he has enough raw talent to make it at the highest level? Wondering if his inconsistency comes from his not having enough maturity as a strategist.

yeah for sure. dude was a junior world silver medalist. finished in second at US Senior Nationals to a multiple world medalist. He's like 22?

[ugarte]

Yianni wins 11-5 for his third national title. Cornell finishes in 7th in the team race. They've been top 10 every year* since 2008. nbd.

* of course they didn't compete at all in 2021

[Chuck Henderson]

Ugarte, a couple of questions. I really look forward to your postings on this.

Is Arujau better in freestyle than folkstyle? It seems he has gone further in international than college competition. Does he have the higher upside there? And I assume he has a higher upside in general than, say, Glory. I don't remember as big a difference between free and folk back decades ago (even if the style names were different then).

What is the story with Max Dean? There seemed to be a lot not mentioned tonight by the ESPN commentators and unasked by Kessenich in his interview. Dean also was cryptic, but it sounded as if there were issues. If his transfer was just because of the Ivy cancellation of the season, that would be simple to report. You made some mention at the time about the requirement of vaccinations.

[ugarte]

Ugarte, a couple of questions. I really look forward to your postings on this.

Is Arujau better in freestyle than folkstyle? It seems he has gone further in international than college competition. Does he have the higher upside there? And I assume he has a higher upside in general than, say, Glory. I don't remember as big a difference between free and folk back decades ago (even if the style names were different then).

What is the story with Max Dean? There seemed to be a lot not mentioned tonight by the ESPN commentators and unasked by Kessenich in his interview. Dean also was cryptic, but it sounded as if there were issues. If his transfer was just because of the Ivy cancellation of the season, that would be simple to report. You made some mention at the time about the requirement of vaccinations.

Thanks.

He's not "better" at freestyle than folk, necessarily, but there were three exceptionally talented freestylers in college this year. He is a much better folkstyle prospect than Glory, but I don't know if he is necessarily a better prospect than either Nick Suriano (who missed 2021 Senior nationals with COVID) or Spencer Lee (if he comes back from surgery at his best). Vito did beat Suriano the last time they faced each other in freestyle but it was close and considered an upset at the time. And Gilman keeps on trucking too. We're very deep at 57kg!

Max Dean - and his brother Gabe - are both antivaxers. New York State, Cornell and the Ivy League all had vaccine policies that would not work for Dean and so he left. I do not give much credence to his claim that he needed to go to Penn State to win a title. His brother won two in Ithaca, he had an incredible upset win to get to the 2019 finals and then imo choked the final himself and to the extent he won a title because he was at Penn State this year it's because Cael Sanderson worked the refs and got Dean bullshit calls in his second round and QF matches against Aiello and DePrez that flipped the results. He also got very lucky that he had a glide path to the title. #21 in the semifinal and #7 in the final.

Post-COVID Cornell was a bad fit for him, but everything that isn't about the vaccine policy is a retcon.

[blackwidow]

Ugarte, a couple of questions. I really look forward to your postings on this.

Is Arujau better in freestyle than folkstyle? It seems he has gone further in international than college competition. Does he have the higher upside there? And I assume he has a higher upside in general than, say, Glory. I don't remember as big a difference between free and folk back decades ago (even if the style names were different then).

What is the story with Max Dean? There seemed to be a lot not mentioned tonight by the ESPN commentators and unasked by Kessenich in his interview. Dean also was cryptic, but it sounded as if there were issues. If his transfer was just because of the Ivy cancellation of the season, that would be simple to report. You made some mention at the time about the requirement of vaccinations.

Thanks.

He's not "better" at freestyle than folk, necessarily, but there were three exceptionally talented freestylers in college this year. He is a much better folkstyle prospect than Glory, but I don't know if he is necessarily a better prospect than either Nick Suriano (who missed 2021 Senior nationals with COVID) or Spencer Lee (if he comes back from surgery at his best). Vito did beat Suriano the last time they faced each other in freestyle but it was close and considered an upset at the time. And Gilman keeps on trucking too. We're very deep at 57kg!

Max Dean - and his brother Gabe - are both antivaxers. New York State, Cornell and the Ivy League all had vaccine policies that would not work for Dean and so he left. I do not give much credence to his claim that he needed to go to Penn State to win a title. His brother won two in Ithaca, he had an incredible upset win to get to the 2019 finals and then imo choked the final himself and to the extent he won a title because he was at Penn State this year it's because Cael Sanderson worked the refs and got Dean bullshit calls in his second round and QF matches against Aiello and DePrez that flipped the results. He also got very lucky that he had a glide path to the title. #21 in the semifinal and #7 in the final.

Post-COVID Cornell was a bad fit for him, but everything that isn't about the vaccine policy is a retcon.

Thank you for the input. Could you expand on your view that vito seems to be a better folkstyle prospect than pat?

[ugarte]

Ugarte, a couple of questions. I really look forward to your postings on this.

Is Arujau better in freestyle than folkstyle? It seems he has gone further in international than college competition. Does he have the higher upside there? And I assume he has a higher upside in general than, say, Glory. I don't remember as big a difference between free and folk back decades ago (even if the style names were different then).

What is the story with Max Dean? There seemed to be a lot not mentioned tonight by the ESPN commentators and unasked by Kessenich in his interview. Dean also was cryptic, but it sounded as if there were issues. If his transfer was just because of the Ivy cancellation of the season, that would be simple to report. You made some mention at the time about the requirement of vaccinations.

Thanks.

He's not "better" at freestyle than folk, necessarily, but there were three exceptionally talented freestylers in college this year. He is a much better folkstyle prospect than Glory, but I don't know if he is necessarily a better prospect than either Nick Suriano (who missed 2021 Senior nationals with COVID) or Spencer Lee (if he comes back from surgery at his best). Vito did beat Suriano the last time they faced each other in freestyle but it was close and considered an upset at the time. And Gilman keeps on trucking too. We're very deep at 57kg!

Max Dean - and his brother Gabe - are both antivaxers. New York State, Cornell and the Ivy League all had vaccine policies that would not work for Dean and so he left. I do not give much credence to his claim that he needed to go to Penn State to win a title. His brother won two in Ithaca, he had an incredible upset win to get to the 2019 finals and then imo choked the final himself and to the extent he won a title because he was at Penn State this year it's because Cael Sanderson worked the refs and got Dean bullshit calls in his second round and QF matches against Aiello and DePrez that flipped the results. He also got very lucky that he had a glide path to the title. #21 in the semifinal and #7 in the final.

Post-COVID Cornell was a bad fit for him, but everything that isn't about the vaccine policy is a retcon.

Thank you for the input. Could you expand on your view that vito seems to be a better folkstyle prospect than pat?

i think you mean freestyle - folk is college. anyway, it ain't the stock market. past performance is indicative of future results (no guarantees though). also, one of glory's best attributes as a folkstle wrestler is his top game. this matters less in freestyle, where there is no riding time and no escape points. after a takedown, if nobody can get a turn, the ref blows stalemate and the match restarts on your feet in neutral.

[Al DeFlorio]

Ugarte, a couple of questions. I really look forward to your postings on this.

Is Arujau better in freestyle than folkstyle? It seems he has gone further in international than college competition. Does he have the higher upside there? And I assume he has a higher upside in general than, say, Glory. I don't remember as big a difference between free and folk back decades ago (even if the style names were different then).

What is the story with Max Dean? There seemed to be a lot not mentioned tonight by the ESPN commentators and unasked by Kessenich in his interview. Dean also was cryptic, but it sounded as if there were issues. If his transfer was just because of the Ivy cancellation of the season, that would be simple to report. You made some mention at the time about the requirement of vaccinations.

Thanks.

He's not "better" at freestyle than folk, necessarily, but there were three exceptionally talented freestylers in college this year. He is a much better folkstyle prospect than Glory, but I don't know if he is necessarily a better prospect than either Nick Suriano (who missed 2021 Senior nationals with COVID) or Spencer Lee (if he comes back from surgery at his best). Vito did beat Suriano the last time they faced each other in freestyle but it was close and considered an upset at the time. And Gilman keeps on trucking too. We're very deep at 57kg!

Max Dean - and his brother Gabe - are both antivaxers. New York State, Cornell and the Ivy League all had vaccine policies that would not work for Dean and so he left. I do not give much credence to his claim that he needed to go to Penn State to win a title. His brother won two in Ithaca, he had an incredible upset win to get to the 2019 finals and then imo choked the final himself and to the extent he won a title because he was at Penn State this year it's because Cael Sanderson worked the refs and got Dean bullshit calls in his second round and QF matches against Aiello and DePrez that flipped the results. He also got very lucky that he had a glide path to the title. #21 in the semifinal and #7 in the final.

Post-COVID Cornell was a bad fit for him, but everything that isn't about the vaccine policy is a retcon.

Thank you for the input. Could you expand on your view that vito seems to be a better folkstyle prospect than pat?

i think you mean freestyle - folk is college. anyway, it ain't the stock market. past performance is indicative of future results (no guarantees though). also, one of glory's best attributes as a folkstle wrestler is his top game. this matters less in freestyle, where there is no riding time and no escape points. after a takedown, if nobody can get a turn, the ref blows stalemate and the match restarts on your feet in neutral.

Your earlier posting said Arujau was a better FOLKSTYLE prospect than Glory.  I think the confusion started there.

[ugarte]

Ugarte, a couple of questions. I really look forward to your postings on this.

Is Arujau better in freestyle than folkstyle? It seems he has gone further in international than college competition. Does he have the higher upside there? And I assume he has a higher upside in general than, say, Glory. I don't remember as big a difference between free and folk back decades ago (even if the style names were different then).

What is the story with Max Dean? There seemed to be a lot not mentioned tonight by the ESPN commentators and unasked by Kessenich in his interview. Dean also was cryptic, but it sounded as if there were issues. If his transfer was just because of the Ivy cancellation of the season, that would be simple to report. You made some mention at the time about the requirement of vaccinations.

Thanks.

He's not "better" at freestyle than folk, necessarily, but there were three exceptionally talented freestylers in college this year. He is a much better folkstyle prospect than Glory, but I don't know if he is necessarily a better prospect than either Nick Suriano (who missed 2021 Senior nationals with COVID) or Spencer Lee (if he comes back from surgery at his best). Vito did beat Suriano the last time they faced each other in freestyle but it was close and considered an upset at the time. And Gilman keeps on trucking too. We're very deep at 57kg!

Max Dean - and his brother Gabe - are both antivaxers. New York State, Cornell and the Ivy League all had vaccine policies that would not work for Dean and so he left. I do not give much credence to his claim that he needed to go to Penn State to win a title. His brother won two in Ithaca, he had an incredible upset win to get to the 2019 finals and then imo choked the final himself and to the extent he won a title because he was at Penn State this year it's because Cael Sanderson worked the refs and got Dean bullshit calls in his second round and QF matches against Aiello and DePrez that flipped the results. He also got very lucky that he had a glide path to the title. #21 in the semifinal and #7 in the final.

Post-COVID Cornell was a bad fit for him, but everything that isn't about the vaccine policy is a retcon.

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Thank you for the input. Could you expand on your view that vito seems to be a better folkstyle prospect than pat?

i think you mean freestyle - folk is college. anyway, it ain't the stock market. past performance is indicative of future results (no guarantees though). also, one of glory's best attributes as a folkstle wrestler is his top game. this matters less in freestyle, where there is no riding time and no escape points. after a takedown, if nobody can get a turn, the ref blows stalemate and the match restarts on your feet in neutral.

Your earlier posting said Arujau was a better FOLKSTYLE prospect than Glory.  I think the confusion started there.

probably should have checked that lol

[blackwidow]

https://twitter.com/MatScoutWillie/status/1513967767556403211?s=19

How high is he rated?

[ugarte]

How high is he rated?

I'll look up his ranking but he's a freestyle Cadet (U17) world champ at 65kg. That's Yianni's weight class but I assume if he's wrestling cadet at 65kg he'll wrestle bigger than that in college.

Edit: Flo has him at #3 overall in the all-weights ranking for the Class of '23.

[blackwidow]

How high is he rated?

I'll look up his ranking but he's a freestyle Cadet (U17) world champ at 65kg. That's Yianni's weight class but I assume if he's wrestling cadet at 65kg he'll wrestle bigger than that in college.

Edit: Flo has him at #3 overall in the all-weights ranking for the Class of '23.

Thank you. This is awesome!