Opponent News 19-20

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Swampy

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Quote from: TrotskyNeutral Zone's ranking of the ECAC incoming classes, average and number:


4.07  7 Harvard
3.82  7 Princeton
3.79  7 Yale
3.78 10 Quinnipiac
3.75  9 Cornell
3.71  7 Colgate
3.70 10 Brown
3.69  8 RPI
3.68  7 St. Lawrence
3.67  6 Clarkson
3.63 12 Union
3.50  6 Dartmouth

A 4.07 for Harvard freshmen. This calls for a punchline.

To help interpret these scores, note that BC has the highest average at 4.28. Harvard's score is closer to BC's than to ours. In fact, the rest of the ECACHL is pretty closely clustered between Princeton's  3.82 and Union's 3.63.

Jim Hyla

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: TrotskyNeutral Zone's ranking of the ECAC incoming classes, average and number:


4.07  7 Harvard
3.82  7 Princeton
3.79  7 Yale
3.78 10 Quinnipiac
3.75  9 Cornell
3.71  7 Colgate
3.70 10 Brown
3.69  8 RPI
3.68  7 St. Lawrence
3.67  6 Clarkson
3.63 12 Union
3.50  6 Dartmouth

A 4.07 for Harvard freshmen. This calls for a punchline.

To help interpret these scores, note that BC has the highest average at 4.28. Harvard's score is closer to BC's than to ours. In fact, the rest of the ECACHL is pretty closely clustered between Princeton's  3.82 and Union's 3.63.

So statistically it probably means that it's a lousy system, since it doesn't differentiate the classes that well. Albeit I don't know the real stats of their system.
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Trotsky

Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: TrotskyNeutral Zone's ranking of the ECAC incoming classes, average and number:


4.07  7 Harvard
3.82  7 Princeton
3.79  7 Yale
3.78 10 Quinnipiac
3.75  9 Cornell
3.71  7 Colgate
3.70 10 Brown
3.69  8 RPI
3.68  7 St. Lawrence
3.67  6 Clarkson
3.63 12 Union
3.50  6 Dartmouth

A 4.07 for Harvard freshmen. This calls for a punchline.

To help interpret these scores, note that BC has the highest average at 4.28. Harvard's score is closer to BC's than to ours. In fact, the rest of the ECACHL is pretty closely clustered between Princeton's  3.82 and Union's 3.63.

So statistically it probably means that it's a lousy system, since it doesn't differentiate the classes that well. Albeit I don't know the real stats of their system.

Or the ECAC tends to sit in the middle of a normal distribution of talent for D-1, which seems reasonable to me.

coz

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim HylaSo statistically it probably means that it's a lousy system, since it doesn't differentiate the classes that well. Albeit I don't know the real stats of their system.

Or the ECAC tends to sit in the middle of a normal distribution of talent for D-1, which seems reasonable to me.

I would guess it tends to fall somewhere in the middle of those 2, just like it does in football or basketball rankings.

Swampy

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim Hyla
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: TrotskyNeutral Zone's ranking of the ECAC incoming classes, average and number:


4.07  7 Harvard
3.82  7 Princeton
3.79  7 Yale
3.78 10 Quinnipiac
3.75  9 Cornell
3.71  7 Colgate
3.70 10 Brown
3.69  8 RPI
3.68  7 St. Lawrence
3.67  6 Clarkson
3.63 12 Union
3.50  6 Dartmouth

A 4.07 for Harvard freshmen. This calls for a punchline.

To help interpret these scores, note that BC has the highest average at 4.28. Harvard's score is closer to BC's than to ours. In fact, the rest of the ECACHL is pretty closely clustered between Princeton's  3.82 and Union's 3.63.

So statistically it probably means that it's a lousy system, since it doesn't differentiate the classes that well. Albeit I don't know the real stats of their system.

Or the ECAC tends to sit in the middle of a normal distribution of talent for D-1, which seems reasonable to me.

I'd hypothesize that the ECAC has its own normal distribution of talent, whose mean may differ from those of other conferences. Its variance seems rather narrow. Irrespective of what individual conference distributions are, the Central Limit Theorem implies that D-1 is also normally distributed. But without having more information, it's hard to tell where the ECAC lies compared to the rest of D-1.

Trotsky

Quote from: SwampyBut without having more information, it's hard to tell where the ECAC lies compared to the rest of D-1.
The more information is the interconference records, which suggests the conference talent means are ordered NCHC, HE, B1G, ECAC, WCHA, AH.

CU2007

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: SwampyBut without having more information, it's hard to tell where the ECAC lies compared to the rest of D-1.
The more information is the interconference records, which suggests the conference talent means are ordered NCHC, HE, B1G, ECAC, WCHA, AH.

Of course the issue of talent vs. ability comes into play in that the BC's and BU's of the world get multiple blue chip recruits who are 17 years old (and presumably top ranked) and then lose to a bunch of 23 years old mostly after thoughts on Quinnipiac.

Trotsky

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Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: SwampyBut without having more information, it's hard to tell where the ECAC lies compared to the rest of D-1.
The more information is the interconference records, which suggests the conference talent means are ordered NCHC, HE, B1G, ECAC, WCHA, AH.

Of course the issue of talent vs. ability comes into play in that the BC's and BU's of the world get multiple blue chip recruits who are 17 years old (and presumably top ranked) and then lose to a bunch of 23 years old mostly after thoughts on Quinnipiac.
This is true.  Also, prospect rankings are warped by statistical factors such as the Bostonian Head Firmly Inserted within Anus Transform, which translates all prospects from within 30 miles of Brookline High School one full star higher than they deserve.

Trotsky

So, I was beginning to write up my TBRW Predictions for 2019-20 and in doing the Returning Awardees I noticed that every one of the 9 ECAC Awardees (All-ECAC, POTY, ROTY) has either graduated or signed except for Morgan Barron, Harvard ROTY D Casey Dornbach, and Quinnipiac All-ECAC D Chase Priskie.  

Just to make sure, I googled Priskie.

He signed yesterday.

KenP

Quote from: TrotskySo, I was beginning to write up my TBRW Predictions for 2019-20 and in doing the Returning Awardees I noticed that every one of the 9 ECAC Awardees (All-ECAC, POTY, ROTY) has either graduated or signed except for Morgan Barron, Harvard ROTY D Casey Dornbach, and Quinnipiac All-ECAC D Chase Priskie.  

Just to make sure, I googled Priskie.

He signed yesterday.
are you sure he didn't graduate?
QuotePirskie, listed at 5-11 and 192 pounds, finished with 116 career points (39 goals, 77 assists) in 154 collegiate games in four seasons and served as Quinnipiac's captain in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons.

scoop85

Quote from: KenP
Quote from: TrotskySo, I was beginning to write up my TBRW Predictions for 2019-20 and in doing the Returning Awardees I noticed that every one of the 9 ECAC Awardees (All-ECAC, POTY, ROTY) has either graduated or signed except for Morgan Barron, Harvard ROTY D Casey Dornbach, and Quinnipiac All-ECAC D Chase Priskie.  

Just to make sure, I googled Priskie.

He signed yesterday.
are you sure he didn't graduate?
QuotePirskie, listed at 5-11 and 192 pounds, finished with 116 career points (39 goals, 77 assists) in 154 collegiate games in four seasons and served as Quinnipiac's captain in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons.

Priskie was a senior last year

marty

Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: KenP
Quote from: TrotskySo, I was beginning to write up my TBRW Predictions for 2019-20 and in doing the Returning Awardees I noticed that every one of the 9 ECAC Awardees (All-ECAC, POTY, ROTY) has either graduated or signed except for Morgan Barron, Harvard ROTY D Casey Dornbach, and Quinnipiac All-ECAC D Chase Priskie.  

Just to make sure, I googled Priskie.

He signed yesterday.
are you sure he didn't graduate?
QuotePirskie, listed at 5-11 and 192 pounds, finished with 116 career points (39 goals, 77 assists) in 154 collegiate games in four seasons and served as Quinnipiac's captain in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons.

Priskie was a senior last year

Yes,  but did he graduate?
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scoop85

Quote from: marty
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: KenP
Quote from: TrotskySo, I was beginning to write up my TBRW Predictions for 2019-20 and in doing the Returning Awardees I noticed that every one of the 9 ECAC Awardees (All-ECAC, POTY, ROTY) has either graduated or signed except for Morgan Barron, Harvard ROTY D Casey Dornbach, and Quinnipiac All-ECAC D Chase Priskie.  

Just to make sure, I googled Priskie.

He signed yesterday.
are you sure he didn't graduate?
QuotePirskie, listed at 5-11 and 192 pounds, finished with 116 career points (39 goals, 77 assists) in 154 collegiate games in four seasons and served as Quinnipiac's captain in the 2017-18 and 2018-19 seasons.

Priskie was a senior last year

Yes,  but did he graduate?

That I do not know, which is why I said only that he was a senior last year.

Trotsky

OK, thanks.

In any case, Morgan is the only non-frosh awardee to return.

Iceberg

The class of 2019 in the ECAC had a lot of great players, including guys that left early (like Angello and Donato). I've been meaning to look at the numbers of the more notable players but haven't gotten around to it.