Opponent News 19-20

[osorojo]

Old Ez had the ideas before he had the money. His wealth didn't come from outworking the other white guys.

[Swampy]

Old Ez had the ideas before he had the money. His wealth didn't come from outworking the other white guys.

He had the ideas about certain inventions, most importantly how to make a machine that would dig a trench, lay telegraph cable, and cover it up and, when the cable proved too crappy to last underground, how to use glass insulators to sting telegraph wire on telegraph poles (I heard he invented them too, but I also have heard they were already using them in England). Before that and after he hooked up with that Morse guy, he worked his ass off.

OTOH, White had ideas like a school for any person & any subject, co-ed, electives, academic departments, a school "free from religious influences, free from political influences, and free from commercial influences" yes still engaged with the world (no idea lasts forever), etc., etc., etc.

[BearLover]

COTY is subjective in many ways

RPI went from 7-13-2 / 10-23-3
           to 12-8-1  / 16-15-2

Cornell went from 13-5-4 / 21-11-4
               to 17-2-2 / 22-2-4

so RPI went up about 5 games in the league and 6-8 ish over all
cornell went up 4 games in the league 9 less losses overall

Which is harder to do, go from not very good to .500?  or from pretty good to dominant?

Not sure either was expected.

I've always found it strange CotY award is interpreted as the "Most Improved Coach" award. If that same coach was in charge the prior year when the team was worse, why does that make him a a better CotY candidate when the team improves the next year than a coach whose team was great both years? I think a coach's season should be evaluated in a vacuum based on the talent the coach had access to and the injuries the coach had to to overcome. I would not consider the prior year at all.

That is not an argument for or against Schafer/Smith, just how I believe the award should be treated.

[ursusminor]

COTY is subjective in many ways

RPI went from 7-13-2 / 10-23-3
           to 12-8-1  / 16-15-2

Cornell went from 13-5-4 / 21-11-4
               to 17-2-2 / 22-2-4

so RPI went up about 5 games in the league and 6-8 ish over all
cornell went up 4 games in the league 9 less losses overall

Which is harder to do, go from not very good to .500?  or from pretty good to dominant?

Not sure either was expected.

I've always found it strange CotY award is interpreted as the "Most Improved Coach" award. If that same coach was in charge the prior year when the team was worse, why does that make him a a better CotY candidate when the team improves the next year than a coach whose team was great both years? I think a coach's season should be evaluated in a vacuum based on the talent the coach had access to and the injuries the coach had to to overcome. I would not consider the prior year at all.

That is not an argument for or against Schafer/Smith, just how I believe the award should be treated.

It Smith's favor, it does take a while to change the attitude left over from Appert. I do agree that it shouldn't be a most-improved coach award.

[RichH]

COTY is subjective in many ways

RPI went from 7-13-2 / 10-23-3
           to 12-8-1  / 16-15-2

Cornell went from 13-5-4 / 21-11-4
               to 17-2-2 / 22-2-4

so RPI went up about 5 games in the league and 6-8 ish over all
cornell went up 4 games in the league 9 less losses overall

Which is harder to do, go from not very good to .500?  or from pretty good to dominant?

Not sure either was expected.

I've always found it strange CotY award is interpreted as the "Most Improved Coach" award. If that same coach was in charge the prior year when the team was worse, why does that make him a a better CotY candidate when the team improves the next year than a coach whose team was great both years? I think a coach's season should be evaluated in a vacuum based on the talent the coach had access to and the injuries the coach had to to overcome. I would not consider the prior year at all.

That is not an argument for or against Schafer/Smith, just how I believe the award should be treated.

It Smith's favor, it does take a while to change the attitude left over from Appert. I do agree that it shouldn't be a most-improved coach award.

I think the most important measurement is finish vs. preseason poll, rather than previous year. The preseason poll takes previous year into account, sure, but if a team outperforms those preseason polls, the coach is given much more consideration.  RPI was picked 10th in the media, and T9 for coaches preseason poll. Now it looks like they're going to lock down a bye...that's significant in the eyes of the voters.

That said, leading a team to the #1 spot in the national polls...that's something that's hard to maintain, and is respected.

[upprdeck]

So is it the coaches fault of the writers do a poor job of predicting?

[Trotsky]

North Dakota wins in overtime.

[Chris '03]

North Dakota wins in overtime.

After Western thought they won:
https://twitter.com/recoveringops/status/1233965415090606080?s=21

[jeff '84]

We've covered all of this pretty extensively. Zero news in there. Of course, the NYT is catering to an audience that doesn't really follow it. ... If Illinois adds any time soon, I'll be surprised. There may be an announcement of a team or so soon - but it won't be a major one.  Arizona State "opted not to join" because they were asking for too many things, and the WCHA basically said forget it. Not to mention it doesn't have an arena yet either.

Who do you predict adds D1 hockey in the next 5 years? And do you think the Alaska programs eventually fold?

https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/28/report-university-of-illinois-hockey-team-john-buccigross/


"The University of Illinois will reportedly be adding a college hockey team.

According to John Buccigross, the Fighting Illini will announce plans for a division one hockey team in the coming days..."

[upprdeck]

well they could have called the interference penalty that would have helped.

[JasonN95]

WMich is sort of a bubble team, too. Rough break for them.

[Trotsky]

https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/28/report-university-of-illinois-hockey-team-john-buccigross/


"The University of Illinois will reportedly be adding a college hockey team.

According to John Buccigross, the Fighting Illini will announce plans for a division one hockey team in the coming days..."

I wonder if this makes Iowa more likely.  There's perennial speculation there and they actually have a great tradition in ACHA.

[adamw]

"The University of Illinois will reportedly be adding a college hockey team.

According to John Buccigross, the Fighting Illini will announce plans for a division one hockey team in the coming days..."

Someone has announced this at least once a month for 3 years.

One day. someone will look like a genius for being "right"

[RichH]

"The University of Illinois will reportedly be adding a college hockey team.

According to John Buccigross, the Fighting Illini will announce plans for a division one hockey team in the coming days..."

Someone has announced this at least once a month for 3 years.

One day. someone will look like a genius for being "right"

So reading between the lines, I've decoded Adam's secret message that EA Sports is releasing a college hockey video game.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

"The University of Illinois will reportedly be adding a college hockey team.

According to John Buccigross, the Fighting Illini will announce plans for a division one hockey team in the coming days..."

Someone has announced this at least once a month for 3 years.

One day. someone will look like a genius for being "right"

So reading between the lines, I've decoded Adam's secret message that EA Sports is releasing a college hockey video game.

Well, there is a Big 10 Hockey Conference.  ::whistle::