Incoming Recruits

[redice]

There's no opportunity cost since nobody else is playing.

Except for Morgan Barron....   I'm concerned that, if the Rangers are playing and Cornell is not (even if it's not until 1/1/2021), he'll sign with the Rangers.   I don't envision him choosing him NOT playing over playing during the fall months.

[CAS]

One advantage Cornell hockey may have over other hockey playing Ivies is that Cornell has invited all students back to campus in the fall.  Even though games won't be played in the fall, Cornell hockey players will be able to train & practice.  The other hockey Ivies invited only some of their students back.  Harvard invited only 40% of their students back to campus.  Question whether Harvard wants only frosh & athletes on campus in the fall.

[Trotsky]

There's no opportunity cost since nobody else is playing.

Except for Morgan Barron....   I'm concerned that, if the Rangers are playing and Cornell is not

If the Rangers play Morgan leaves.  This is true of every other college player who has the opportunity to jump.

I'm going on the assumption (more of a hope) that nobody's going to play.  That when the pro leagues make noises about playing that's just bullshit to generate noise, sell merch, put pressure on yokel pols to squeeze out a little more corporate welfare juice.  OH NOES WE WERE SET TO PLAY BUT YOU'RE STOPPING US NOW SUBSIDIZE US; USA!!!1!!; FREEDUMB!!!11!

The zeroth rule is all institutions -- colleges, leagues, teams, political entities, media, advertisers -- will be driven by cynical, self-serving, short-sighted thinking bordering on sociopathy.  "It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners."

[abmarks]

There's no opportunity cost since nobody else is playing.

Except for Morgan Barron....   I'm concerned that, if the Rangers are playing and Cornell is not (even if it's not until 1/1/2021), he'll sign with the Rangers.   I don't envision him choosing him NOT playing over playing during the fall months.

Obv I wasn't clear about why i thought recruits might defer.   Let's assume that the full season is cancelled - so obviously noone uses up any eligibility.  However, if you enroll this fall and want to play for four years you'd need to be at Cornell for 5 years- which means paying for the extra year and possibly needing to do a master's degree.  

If I'm not getting a ton of financial aid and am an incoming frosh, then why would I enroll now?

And if i'm going to be a Senior this year, why would I enroll this fall rather than take a leave of absence assuming I want to play one last season in 21-22?

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[Trotsky]

That's a function of two variables: x -- how much of your college expenses does sports pay for, and y -- how much of the reason you're at school is sports?

Your likelihood to defer / take a year off varies inversely with x and y.  So, Johnny Jock at North Dumbfuck State is going to drink at home, rather than at his frat, for a year, while Arthur Auteur at St. Precious Arts Conservatory is going to go for the year, since sports was just a way to fool the school into taking him.

[abmarks]

That's a function of two variables: x -- how much of your college expenses does sports pay for, and y -- how much of the reason you're at school is sports?

Your likelihood to defer / take a year off varies inversely with x and y.  So, Johnny Jock at North Dumbfuck State is going to drink at home, rather than at his frat, for a year, while Arthur Auteur at St. Precious Arts Conservatory is going to go for the year, since sports was just a way to fool the school into taking him.

That's all generally true- although you are discounting a host of other considerations. Pretty sure that the actual learning experience will be much better  a year from now (assuming it will be an all in-person, on campus experience.)  online instruction can't possibly replicate that experience. So the kid who is there to learn might very well defer for a year. (Not to mention the parents might refuse to pay $50k for what is essentially the academic equivalent of netflix- Tragically overpriced streaming.




BTW, I could care less about those imaginary schools.  I asked the question because I was thinking of our Men's hockey team.

- I don't think most of our guys are in a rush to finish school asap, they almost all put in two years of juniors already at this point.

- Wonder if where "home" is for these guys.  If you're Canadian, you likely in a far safer area back home covid-wise, and might well be able to get in a lot more ice time over the year back home than in Ithaca.  The ability to get across the border (or not) may make this a bit messy too, right?

-if you're going to be a junior or senior this fall, and have possibilities of getting to the next level but need to have a breakout year or simply another year to maintain your level and show it wasn't a fluke, aren't you cutting things real slim to lose a year of play?

-if you're going to be a bottom third of the roster guy then its probably not enough of a consideration.

And what happens to the recruiting pipeline if somewhere between some and all of the current team members get another year of eligibility by a cancelled season?   What about the guys who are supposed to be enrolling in September- if this was wrestling they'd be told to move to Ithaca right away but not enroll in classes until January.

So many questions

[osorojo]

Our current government's plan for dealing with coronavirus - doing nothing - needs time to work. In another year or two the number of deaths from and the spread of coronavirus should stabilize and allow plans to be made for sporting events.

[pfibiger]

Article on Jimmy Rayhill's postponing coming to campus and returning to Alberni for another season:

https://www.uticaod.com/sports/20200814/new-hartfordrsquos-rayhill-looks-to-build-on-game-in-juniors

[Trotsky]

Are Junior A & B going to play in 20-21?

[abmarks]

Are Junior A & B going to play in 20-21?

-From the linked article that you didn't bother to read...

Rayhill, the 19-year-old New Hartford native and Cornell University commit, is set to play a second season of junior "A" hockey with the Alberni Valley Bulldogs of the British Columbia Hockey League (BCHL).

Rayhill, a defenseman, is planning to return to the team located on Vancouver Island in about two-and-half weeks for the Bulldogs' season, which is tentatively scheduled to begin in December due to concerns with the COVID-19 pandemic. There's one hurdle: The border between the United States and Canada remains closed for non-essential travel.

Interesting side note in that quote:  at the moment he can't cross the border to even get up to BC

[Trotsky]

Are Junior A & B going to play in 20-21?

-From the linked article that you didn't bother to read...

Or I read it, it didn't tell me squat, and I asked if anybody knew anything more.

[jts15]

https://twitter.com/lukedevlin_/status/1296215754686304256

Luke Devlin

[scoop85]

https://twitter.com/lukedevlin_/status/1296215754686304256

Luke Devlin

Interesting side note: Devlin's father Matt is the play-by-play guy for the Toronto Raptors, and he has called Wrestling at the Olympics for NBC, which will excite Ugarte.

[Trotsky]

6' 3" at 16.

I'm pretty sure he's our first player from TN.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/535869/luke-devlin

[scoop85]

6' 3" at 16.

I'm pretty sure he's our first player from TN.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/535869/luke-devlin

He was born in TN when his father was calling the Grizzlies games, and was young when the family moved to Toronto.