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[Dafatone]

Big controversy at the Q @ H game last night. Pecknold was ejected and got a 2 min "Abuse of Officials" and 10 min Game Misconduct". That was the decisive play, as H scored 3 goals in 44 sec. He was protesting that H's first 5 on 3 goal was kicked in.

Here's the link to the ILDN highlights. The event starts around 26 sec. As much as I don't like Pecknold, when I watch it in slo-mo, I have to say I agree with him.

Anyone at the game, watched it on ILDN, or heard anything from the CT press?

I can't remember an instance when I saw a coach kicked out for that, but it's probably just my bad memory.

Here it is.  Interesting is that Rand gets tossed before the play is reviewed.  It is borderline but there was no way that with a close call like this and Pecknold already gone that it would be overturned.

I apologize for the video going in an out if HD.  I think it is a combination of Windows, ILDN and the capture program causing agita in my i5 processor.

If I'm reviewing that, I call it a no goal.  His foot is stationary, then juts towards the puck.  That's enough of a kick for me.

But it's close enough to go either way, certainly.

[David Harding]

Big controversy at the Q @ H game last night. Pecknold was ejected and got a 2 min "Abuse of Officials" and 10 min Game Misconduct". That was the decisive play, as H scored 3 goals in 44 sec. He was protesting that H's first 5 on 3 goal was kicked in.

Here's the link to the ILDN highlights. The event starts around 26 sec. As much as I don't like Pecknold, when I watch it in slo-mo, I have to say I agree with him.

Anyone at the game, watched it on ILDN, or heard anything from the CT press?

I can't remember an instance when I saw a coach kicked out for that, but it's probably just my bad memory.

Here it is.  Interesting is that Rand gets tossed before the play is reviewed.  It is borderline but there was no way that with a close call like this and Pecknold already gone that it would be overturned.

I apologize for the video going in an out if HD.  I think it is a combination of Windows, ILDN and the capture program causing agita in my i5 processor.

Thanks for the full video clip.  I think the officials were concentrating on whether he got his stick on the puck just before it went in.  The overhead view was inconclusive, so the ruling on the ice was sustained.

[abmarks]

If I'm reviewing that, I call it a no goal.  His foot is stationary, then juts towards the puck.  That's enough of a kick for me.

But it's close enough to go either way, certainly.

You aren't viewing enough of the play if you think that.  His foot was NOT stationary.  His right foot/leg slide forward (away from the goal) and he gets up on the rearmost point of his blade with the foot in front of him.  The skate then reverses and slides backwards (towards the goal) and deflects the puck in at the start of that motion.

The thing is, that motion is the most likely thing to do to retain his balance and turn towards the goal; skate went forward first, now it needs to go back.  Exactly what the commentators say at ~4:30 in Marty's clip.

[Iceberg]

Tigers puck luck continuing.  Leading Duluth 2-1.

On CBS sports as I post.

By Tigers, you mean CC, not Princeton. Had to go check, based on the thread topics.

Princeton actually lost last night pretty bad to Dartmouth, although their struggles in Hanover are much worse than Cornell's. It probably has something to do with the tennis balls. Things won't be easier for them tonight.

[Dafatone]

If I'm reviewing that, I call it a no goal.  His foot is stationary, then juts towards the puck.  That's enough of a kick for me.

But it's close enough to go either way, certainly.

You aren't viewing enough of the play if you think that.  His foot was NOT stationary.  His right foot/leg slide forward (away from the goal) and he gets up on the rearmost point of his blade with the foot in front of him.  The skate then reverses and slides backwards (towards the goal) and deflects the puck in at the start of that motion.

The thing is, that motion is the most likely thing to do to retain his balance and turn towards the goal; skate went forward first, now it needs to go back.  Exactly what the commentators say at ~4:30 in Marty's clip.

If there's a kicking motion but it's unintentional, does that still count as a kick?  You're right, he was trying to regain balance rather than put the puck in, but to me, he still pushes his skate into the puck.  To me, getting away with no kicking motion means either not moving or gliding into the puck without any leg movement.

[abmarks]

If there's a kicking motion but it's unintentional, does that still count as a kick?  You're right, he was trying to regain balance rather than put the puck in, but to me, he still pushes his skate into the puck.  To me, getting away with no kicking motion means either not moving or gliding into the puck without any leg movement.

It's only no goal if there was intent to kick in.  Incidental skate contact (as this was) or angling a skate (without a kick) to deflect a puck in, is fine.

This was one of the easier reviews for officials to handle that you will see.  They know the rules.

EDIT:  Besides, that wasn't a kicking motion in this scenario.

[abmarks]

83.4 Goals Scored Off of Skates - A puck that is directed into the net by an
attacking player's skate shall be a legitimate goal as long as no distinct
kicking motion is evident. A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player
who kicks a puck that deflects into the net off any player, goalkeeper or
official. A puck that deflects into the net off an attacking player's skate who
does not use a distinct kicking motion is a legitimate goal.
The following should clarify deflections following a puck kicked by an
attacking player that enters the goal:
• A kicked puck that deflects off the body of any player of either team
(including the goalkeeper) shall be ruled no goal. The body refers to
anything other than a player's stick.
• A kicked puck that deflects off the stick of any player (excluding the
goalkeeper's stick) shall be ruled a good goal.
• A goal will be allowed when an attacking player kicks the puck and the
puck deflects off his own stick and then into the net.
A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who kicks any equipment
(stick, glove, helmet, etc.) at the puck, including kicking the blade of his own
stick, causing the puck to cross the goal line. A puck that is batted into the net
by a hand or foot or deliberately batted with any part of the attacking player's
body is not a legal goal.
A goal shall be allowed if a puck deflects off an attacking player who is in
the act of stopping.

[marty]

Tigers puck luck continuing.  Leading Duluth 2-1.

On CBS sports as I post.

By Tigers, you mean CC, not Princeton. Had to go check, based on the thread topics.

Yes, CC with back to back results that could be a turning point in their season. A tie vs #1 is impressive in spite of Duluth outplaying them in the third and the two OTs.

CC leading Duluth again after 2.

[marty]

I was looking for articles concerning my recently departed cousin and found some vintage opponent news.

[TimV]

Interesting article underneath about Dale Hall, Army football coach on the hotseat for losing 3 times to Navy.  This year Army beat Navy for the first time in what?  14 years?  Some things don't change.

[billhoward]

A Harvard skate appeared to help direct the puck in and there was an attempted shot with the stick that got nothing but air, so it's possible the ref thought he saw the puck being directed in by the stick.

[RichH]

Who cares about the goal? The only thing I got out of this incident is reinforcement that Pecknold is the Hothead Asshat of the league's coaches and that Harvard can't find any broadcasters who don't sound like complete unknowledgable tools.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Who cares about the goal? The only thing I got out of this incident is reinforcement that Pecknold is the Hothead Asshat of the league's coaches and that Harvard can't find any broadcasters who don't sound like complete unknowledgable tools.

Is this news?  :-P

[RichH]

Who cares about the goal? The only thing I got out of this incident is reinforcement that Pecknold is the Hothead Asshat of the league's coaches and that Harvard can't find any broadcasters who don't sound like complete unknowledgable tools.

Is this news?  :-P

Not news at all. Just trying to recenter the thread so the important stuff doesn't get buried.

[Trotsky]

Princeton had 1,304 attendance for their last game.  Capacity is 2,092.  I suspect there will be seats available.