Women's Team 2016-17

[upprdeck]

i dont deny there was minor contact and sometimes they call that a penalty and sometimes they dont. to elevate it to major with suspension is what is bizarre.

had the girl not fallen down there is no call at all.

[andyw2100]

As for those of you continuing to harp on the "and the officials didn't call it worse than a minor at the time!" point, that is literally the reason why the league reviews potentially serious infractions, so they can 1) mete out what they believe is the appropriate punishment even if the refs didn't do so at the time, and 2) clarify to the refs that this should have been a point of emphasis and ought to be for the future.

Also, to address the above directly...

I wasn't so much questioning the purpose of the league reviewing by pointing out that it was ruled a minor on the ice as much as I was suggesting that the "double-upgrade" seemed out of line.

Sure, review anything you want, but I think you really have to see something that the refs couldn't see to change a minor penalty into a disqualification.

That's really all I was getting at when saying it was ruled a minor on the ice.

[upprdeck]

mean while the men lose a player for the year and there seems to be no film to review?

[daredevilcu]

Basically what the league is saying with the DQ is this:

The hit was illegal.

The call on the ice was insufficient and should have been a major penalty with at least a game misconduct, but more likely a game disqualification due to the time of the infraction and nature of the play.

Since a game misconduct was not issued, the proper remedy is to issue a one-game suspension.

If you don't agree that the hit deserved a misconduct/DQ, that's the only thing there is to talk about. If the league felt that was the right call, they have taken the appropriate steps to remedy it. The only thing they haven't done is given a clear public explanation of the decision, which everyone always hates.

[ugarte]

Since a game misconduct was not issued, the proper remedy is to issue a one-game suspension.

This is the only part that I don't buy. With 1:40 left in the game, a GM is pretty much the same as a minor. I think the league suspended her for a game because they thought she deserved a one game suspension. It's not much more complicated than that.

[Jim Hyla]

As for those of you continuing to harp on the "and the officials didn't call it worse than a minor at the time!" point, that is literally the reason why the league reviews potentially serious infractions, so they can 1) mete out what they believe is the appropriate punishment even if the refs didn't do so at the time, and 2) clarify to the refs that this should have been a point of emphasis and ought to be for the future. Whether you disagree with their eventual conclusion is really the only relevant question.

Well, then I hope the league had better video of the play than we do, and that that video shows something a lot worse than what we can see. Because based on what we can see, the contact just does not look that serious. O'Neill's stick blade was on the ice. She slowed and almost stopped before making contact. The contact appears to be shoulder to shoulder, and into open ice--not the boards. I just don't see it.

I really don't think I am looking at this through red-tinted glasses. I think I'd feel the same way if it was a Clarkson player suspended for a hit like that.

I guess we just have to disagree, but if you'll go back and watch in slo-mo, you can see that her stick came up when the hit occurred, cross-check. And no one seems to address that it was an open ice, blind side hit that could have led to serious injury. The fact that it didn't, doesn't matter.

Let's just hope that the team rallies and she gets to play in the semis.

[upprdeck]

where was it open ice blind side?

I saw slowed down shoulder to shoulder almost face to face but not quite.

open ice blind side hits would be penalized in the means game.  

this would not be a penalty at all in the mens game, its the rule about contact that made it a penalty, even it it seemed mostly minor,  i think the fact the clarkson player had her head down is the reason she went down, had she not gown down but spun around its probably not even a penalty.

[daredevilcu]

Since a game misconduct was not issued, the proper remedy is to issue a one-game suspension.

This is the only part that I don't buy. With 1:40 left in the game, a GM is pretty much the same as a minor. I think the league suspended her for a game because they thought she deserved a one game suspension. It's not much more complicated than that.

Maybe, but I also think that if this were the beginning of the 2nd period and a 5+game was the call on the ice, you wouldn't see the suspension.

[andyw2100]

Let's just hope that the team rallies and she gets to play in the semis.

We can definitely agree on that!

[daredevilcu]

Hit from another angle.

https://twitter.com/CapCareyWDT/status/839569078025084928

[imafrshmn]

Hit from another angle.

https://twitter.com/CapCareyWDT/status/839569078025084928

I think this video strengthens O'Neill's case more than the league's.

[Jim Hyla]

Hit from another angle.

I'm just watching on my phone, but it looks worse, almost like it was a punch.

[daredevilcu]

I agree with Jim. This video makes it look like a very deliberate headshot.

[andyw2100]

I'm just watching on my phone, but it looks worse, almost like it was a punch.

I agree with Jim. This video makes it look like a very deliberate headshot.

Seeing the play from this angle, I actually agree now too.

[andyw2100]

That video raises an interesting question, I think.

What video does the league use when reviewing these kinds of plays? Do they use any video available, including people's individual videos that may be posted online, or are they limited to some set of "official" videos.