Cornell lacrosse 2017

Started by billhoward, August 03, 2016, 03:52:25 PM

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Al DeFlorio

Quote from: billhowardCornell freshman Jeff Teat is also an honorable mention All-America on the USILA team.
Teat was second in Division I in points per game, 4th in assists per game. Deserved better.
Al DeFlorio '65

billhoward

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Quote from: billhowardCornell freshman Jeff Teat is also an honorable mention All-America on the USILA team.
Teat was second in Division I in points per game, 4th in assists per game. Deserved better.
Dylan Molloy of Brown took a tumble from Tewaarton winner to second team AA. Suggests a player on a winning team with a high national ranking tends to win more/better recognition: Molloy last year vs. this, freshmen Michael Sowers of Princeton vs. Teat this year, Rob Pannell (NCAA title game as a freshman) vs. Teat (Cornell didn't make Ivy playoffs).


billhoward

Tell me if you heard this one before: Underdog Towson builds up a goodly lead on #3 Ohio State. 7-3 at the half. Forgets to score much in second half. TOSU up 11-10 very late. Has to clear the ball in the last 10 seconds to win. Around midfield and sort of trapped, Ohio State player lofts the ball skyward, lands near Towson goal, time runs out. Ohio State, 11-10 final.

Maryland 9, Denver 8 in the second game. Both teams had goals waved off in the final 90 seconds, first Maryland then Denver in the last 10 seconds, both with the shooter landing in the crease.

For Cornell fans, can we root for either team? OK, Maryland has a Cornell coach, John Tillman '92. Starting in 1976 when Cornell beat the Terps 16-13 in OT (yes, you had to play a full OT period before sudden death), Maryland has been to the semis 20 times and the title game 9 times with no championships.

billhoward

If the June 1 announcement of the Tewaaraton winner gives a chance for the finalists to showcase themselves in the championship weekend:

Denver's Trevor Baptiste, 11 of 21 on faceoffs. He had been winning 74% going into the quarterfinals.

Maryland's Matt Rambo, 1 goal, 1 assist.

The other three were gone before this weekend: Ben Reeves, Yale ... Connor Fields, Albany ... Pat Spencer, Loyola.

CU77

Quote from: billhowardFor Cornell fans, can we root for either team? OK, Maryland has a Cornell coach, John Tillman '92. Starting in 1976 when Cornell beat the Terps 16-13 in OT (yes, you had to play a full OT period before sudden death), Maryland has been to the semis 20 times and the title game 9 times with no championships.
Have to root for Maryland, a fellow alum is their coach!

Yes it will mean Cornell becomes the team with the longest championship drought, but that's better (IMO) than having an interloper like OSU win (and I grew up in Ohio rooting for OSU football ...).

billhoward

Maryland 9, Ohio State 6. First title for Maryland since 1975. At least there's a Cornellian as coach, John Tillman '91, as consolation for us.

Johnny 5

Quote from: billhowardMaryland 9, Ohio State 6. First title for Maryland since 1975. At least there's a Cornellian as coach, John Tillman '91, as consolation for us.

Can we throw money at him? Maybe have a chicken BBQ.
Appeal to his sense of alumnus loyalty??

::whistle::
Cure for cancer? Soon. Cure for stupid? Never. ~ Prof. B. Honeydew

billhoward

Quote from: Johnny 5
Quote from: billhowardMaryland 9, Ohio State 6. First title for Maryland since 1975. At least there's a Cornellian as coach, John Tillman '91, as consolation for us.
Can we throw money at him? Maybe have a chicken BBQ. Appeal to his sense of alumnus loyalty?? ::whistle::
Tillman was hired away from Harvard. Reports at the time said he had a 7-year, $150,000 contract at Maryland. The Baltimore Sun in 2014 put Tillman's total compensation at $248,000. Not sure Cornell has that kind of money. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-06-26/sports/bal-maryland-coaches-salaries-in-perspective-20140625_1_john-tillman-sasho-cirovski-mark-turgeon Maryland pays its best coaches quite well: The men's soccer coach had total comp of $399,000.

I believe OSU has the nation's highest athletics budget, $110 million as of a couple years ago, about $100,000 per athlete (3X what OSU spends on education per student). The Ohio State lax coach made $342,000 a year ago. The women's lax coach $256,000. The hockey coach made $364,000. http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2017/03/51_ohio_college_coaching_jobs.html

No matter how much you love Cornell, if you have kids who want to go to college, a quarter-million a year builds that college fund pretty quickly.

David Harding

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Quote from: CU77This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?

Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!

I find the move bizarre as well. Not to say it can't or won't end well, but imagine a scenario where Milliman doesn't have the interim tag eventually removed. Not a pretty thought

I don't get it either.  Milliman has been in Ithaca for four years.  If you are convinced he's the right guy, give him the job.  If not, start the search.  I guess this could be a ploy to keep a pretty solid recruiting class together, but it could wreck havoc with the next two years.  Sure seems like it has more ways to end badly than end well.

I don't find the recruiting-class argument convincing. New recruits are coming to Cornell for 4 years, so incoming recruits in 2017 there's only one year of certainty; with recruits still in the pipeline, there's four full years of uncertainty. If Cornell hired a new lacrosse coach this spring, like every other school/sport that loses its coach in the spring (due to firings, jumping jobs, or whatever), then we'd have a new coach in place by, say, July at the latest and eliminate all the uncertainty. Some recruits might still choose to go elsewhere, but it seems to me the likelihood of this is greater with an unknown coach coming in a year from now. If a coach search were underway right now for the 2018 season, I think most recruits would wait and see who the new coach is before jumping ship. If it's Tierney, they'd all probably stay and we might pick up a few more. If it's some schmo, they might all transfer. But the chance of some schmo being hired in a year is likely to scare off recruits even if the fear is unwarranted.

I'm not sure what role Milliman plays in all this. From what I've read, he's not the sort of guy who attracts recruits. But even if this is wrong and keeping him is necessary to retain recruits, then renew his contract as AC for a year or two but search for a new coach now.

Besides, I see nothing in AN's history that even suggests he takes into account the impact of a coaching change on already existing recruiting.
This story in the Ithaca Journal suggests that he can recruit.
QuoteIn his time at Cornell as an assistant, Milliman has taken on a big role as the recruiting coordinator. Those efforts have paid off handsomely.

Milliman brought in the first ever No. 1 Inside Lacrosse prospect, Jeff Teat, who just finished 2017 as the highest scoring freshman in program history with 72 points, passing Rob Pannell '13. Teat was ranked the No. 3 freshman at the mid-season point this year, behind TD Ierlan of Albany and eventual Ivy League Rookie of the Year Michael Sowers of Princeton. Fellow Cornellian Brandon Salvatore came in at No. 12 on that list.
Milliman acknowledges the need to "close it out in tough situations," but expresses the hope that the veterans will be able "to impart their wisdom to hopefully flip games like Virginia and Penn."


billhoward

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Quote from: Johnny 5Mike being a notable exception, when all a program does is lose, at whose feet is the blame typically placed? Perception is reality?? (God, I hate that expression.)
I wonder, has Rob Pannell ever expressed an interest in coaching?!
::whistle::
Interesting thought, but great players accross the sports spectrum often turn out to be poor coaches.
Perhaps Connor Buczek '15 has the potential to be Cornell's coach of the future. He is the B-school rarity who went straight from undergraduate to Johnson School without work experience in between, was volunteer assistant those two years, and now is a full-time assistant. http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2017/6/8/connor-buczek-15-promoted-to-mens-lacrosse-assistant-coach.aspx

dbilmes

At least our star sophomore is having a productive summer! Apparently "junior" lacrosse isn't comparable to junior hockey, since NCAA hockey players can't play junior hockey during the offseason, but apparently NCAA lacrosse players can.

jeff '84

Recruiting: Top 10 Breakthrough Players of Summer 2017

John Piatelli '17, A, St. Sebastian's (Mass.) / Laxachusetts - Cornell

Piatelli had a massive spring, scoring 60 goals and 72 assists for St. Sebastian's en route to an 18-3 record. He was named a US Lacrosse All-American and a first team USA Today National Team selection. Piatelli thrives as a playmaker from behind the cage, so deft in dodging and either finishing or assisting at GLE. He's had one of the more meteoric rises of any outgoing high school senior and is expected to compete for playing time right away once he gets to Ithaca.

With link to a brief highlight:
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/recruiting-top-10-breakthrough-players-of-summer-2017/50249