Cornell lacrosse 2017

[Al DeFlorio]

Of course, beating Princeton is much more important. Princeton has been very streaky, but I would put them as favorites over Cornell, especially if the game has ILT implications for them. In between is Brown on the road, also a streaky team, lost to Princeton by a bunch.

If Cornell can beat both Brown and Princeton, they still have an outside shot at the #1 seed in the ILT. We need Brown to beat Yale, and Harvard to beat Penn, this weekend (and Princeton to beat Dartmouth, but that's almost certain) for this scenario to remain alive.

Why Princeton over Dartmouth?

[upprdeck]

not sure we really want princeton to win

[Johnny 5]

Wait,...we win 3 of 22 FO thru three periods and we're up by four!!??

::doh::

[billhoward]

Cornell 16 Lehigh 11 today. Jeff Teat with 8 points.  
Lehigh 15 Princeton 10 last week.

... feeling a little better about the last two games vs. Brown and Princeton

Also:
Penn 14, Harvard 10
Yale 18, Brown 12
Princeton at Dartmouth, later game

Standings now

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Yale   5-0 will host Ivy tournament, has already played Princeton
Prin   2-1 likely to be 3-1 after Dartmouth
Brown  2-2
Corn   2-2
Penn   2-3 holds tiebraker vs. Cornell
Harv   1-3
Dart   0-3 likely to be 0-4


[upprdeck]

hard to understand this team sometimes..  but still losing 80% of the faceoffs is usually something you cant overcome.

winning one of the last 2 could well sneak them in. they could still avoid finishing 4th and getting yale too.

[Johnny 5]

hard to understand this team sometimes..  but still losing 80% of the faceoffs is usually something you cant overcome.

And, I doubt they will ever be a top 10 (20?) team unless they get this FO gremlin figured out; regardless of how many records the freshmen set.

::help::

[upprdeck]

dont lose the late 2 goal leads vs penn and uv and they are 6-5 and on the edge of making the tourney. some pretty big programs are going to struggle to get in this year like UNC and virg will not be going. Had JH lost yesterday they probably wouldnt have made it and they are ranked.

[upprdeck]

harvard losing to penn really creates chaos in the ivy

penn 2-3 with dartmouth left let so they probably get to 3-3
cornell - brown play this week if cornell wins brown probably ends 3-3 with dart left
if cornell loses to princeton it ends 3-3

thats a 3 way tie for 3rd-4th all will have lost to yale and princeton and all split the series with each other

if cornell loses to brown and beats princeton they are probably out unless harvard beats them too
then you could end up with
yale
brown
cu 3-3
penn 3-3
princeton 3-3

and if harvard beats yale 3-3

4 way tie for 4th
and a dartmouth upset vs brown makes it a 5 way tie.

is the rule still the tie breaker after the h2h and  thplay against top teams in order a random draw?

[CU77]

Wins over both Brown and Princeton guarantee Cornell the #2 seed in the ILT. Lose either game, and Cornell needs help. In particular, a lost to Brown on Saturday, coupled with wins by Penn over Dartmouth and Princeton over Harvard (both likely), would leave Cornell out of the ILT, which would be Yale, Princeton, Brown, Penn.

I've posted a complete list of all 64 possible outcomes for the remaining 6 Ivy games, and the resulting ILT seeds, at laxpower:
http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61554&start=240#p1502206

[mountainred]

On laxpower, CU 77 ran though all of the scenarios. http://network.laxpower.com/laxforum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=61554&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=240 It looks like: if Cornell beats Brown, the worst that can happen is a three way tie for third with Brown and Penn that would be broken by random draw.  CU77, if I got that wrong, please correct me.  And thanks for crunching the numbers.

I'm not sure how I missed the post right above mine.::smashfreak::  Thanks for not pointing out my stupidity.

[CU77]

Yes, that's correct, but the random-draw for #3 is the most likely outcome if Cornell does not also beat Princeton. Other outcomes require a Dartmouth win over either Brown or Penn (or both), which is not going to happen.

In the random-draw scenario, Cornell has a 1/3 chance for seed #3, a 1/3 chance for seed #4, and a 1/3 chance to be left out entirely.

[nshapiro]

Yes, that's correct, but the random-draw for #3 is the most likely outcome if Cornell does not also beat Princeton. Other outcomes require a Dartmouth win over either Brown or Penn (or both), which is not going to happen.

In the random-draw scenario, Cornell has a 1/3 chance for seed #3, a 1/3 chance for seed #4, and a 1/3 chance to be left out entirely.

In the Laxpower forum, you said that after the #3 seed is chosen, the #4 seed would be selected based on head-to-head result from remaining tied teams.  This can be inferred from the criteria you posted...

3. In the case of a multiple tie that cannot be broken on the basis of review of cumulative record against all other teams tied at that spot:

a. The higher seed will go to the team that has beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie.

b. Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the tie between the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

c. This procedure will be completed until all ties are broken. ?

4. If a tie still persists, it will be broken by a random draw conducted by the Executive Director....

but it does not explicitly have subparagraphs a, b, and c under criteria 4 like it does under criteria 3.?

[CU77]

According to people I consulted who are familiar with Ivy procedures, we revert to the earlier tiebreakers when possible.

[billhoward]

Yale sports site knows where the first round of the Ivy Lacrosse Tournament is being played.

[Al DeFlorio]

Brown nipped Providence 13-12 in double OT tonight at Providence.  

Some strange stats:  Brown wins the faceoff battle, 21-8; Providence outshoots Brown 57-37