Cornell vs. Yale 02/13/2015

Started by dbilmes, February 11, 2016, 05:16:04 PM

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andyw2100

Quote from: rediceThis game had the same appearance as the Dartmouth game; they looked tired.   Being a Friday night game, I'm certain they weren't tired.

Ummm...the Yale game was Saturday night. We played Brown on Friday night.

I felt like the Yale game was closer than the score and the shots on goal indicated. The second Yale goal was pretty soft, and a shot that I expect Gillam stops nine times out of ten. The third Yale goal came with about a minute left in the five minute major that should have at most been a two-minute minor, and, based on what I heard immediately after the game from someone who watched the replay in the press box, probably shouldn't have been a penalty at all.

Brown's third goal came off a crazy rebound off the glass that wound up right in the slot.

A few things go differently, and this would have been a three-point weekend instead of a one-point weekend.

marty

Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: rediceThis game had the same appearance as the Dartmouth game; they looked tired.   Being a Friday night game, I'm certain they weren't tired.

Ummm...the Yale game was Saturday night. We played Brown on Friday night.

I felt like the Yale game was closer than the score and the shots on goal indicated. The second Yale goal was pretty soft, and a shot that I expect Gillam stops nine times out of ten. The third Yale goal came with about a minute left in the five minute major that should have at most been a two-minute minor, and, based on what I heard immediately after the game from someone who watched the replay in the press box, probably shouldn't have been a penalty at all.

That was the feeling of Jason and Tony after they saw the replay.

QuoteBrown's third goal came off a crazy rebound off the glass that wound up right in the slot.

A few things go differently, and this would have been a three-point weekend instead of a one-point weekend.

But if Brown hadn't been up a goal it may have ended in a tie as well.

This was a very disappointing weekend. We'll see what the team can do in these final four regular season games but the offense that has been absent for long stretches of 2016 causes much agita.  It causes old men to lose sleep and spend early mornings posting the obvious when they should be sleeping.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

redice

Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: rediceThis game had the same appearance as the Dartmouth game; they looked tired.   Being a Friday night game, I'm certain they weren't tired.

Ummm...the Yale game was Saturday night. We played Brown on Friday night.

Actually, I was thinking of the Brown game...    And, since you have a flare for the obvious, yes, I know this would be the wrong thread....   OOPS!!


Quote from: andyw2100I felt like the Yale game was closer than the score and the shots on goal indicated. The second Yale goal was pretty soft, and a shot that I expect Gillam stops nine times out of ten. The third Yale goal came with about a minute left in the five minute major that should have at most been a two-minute minor, and, based on what I heard immediately after the game from someone who watched the replay in the press box, probably shouldn't have been a penalty at all.

Brown's third goal came off a crazy rebound off the glass that wound up right in the slot.

A few things go differently, and this would have been a three-point weekend instead of a one-point weekend.

I felt it strange that you would say it was "closer than the score".   When I called home (after the game), my first words were:  "the score was 4-2 and it wasn't even that close!"  After Yale got that first goal, I don't think CU had a chance of winning.   Yale was far & away the better team on Saturday.   Speed kills!!!
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-Ned Harkness

andyw2100

Quote from: redice
I felt it strange that you would say it was "closer than the score".   When I called home (after the game), my first words were:  "the score was 4-2 and it wasn't even that close!"  After Yale got that first goal, I don't think CU had a chance of winning.   Yale was far & away the better team on Saturday.   Speed kills!!![/quote
There's no question that Yale was the better team on Saturday. My point was that with a better call on that penalty, and a couple of things going differently, we might have stolen a tie. I agree we were outplayed.

marty

Quote from: andyw2100
Quote from: redice
I felt it strange that you would say it was "closer than the score".   When I called home (after the game), my first words were:  "the score was 4-2 and it wasn't even that close!"  After Yale got that first goal, I don't think CU had a chance of winning.   Yale was far & away the better team on Saturday.   Speed kills!!![/quote
There's no question that Yale was the better team on Saturday. My point was that with a better call on that penalty, and a couple of things going differently, we might have stolen a tie. I agree we were outplayed.

We "stole" a win vs Providence and a tie vs. QPuke.  This team has had some great periods and OTs.  Can they play over their heads for 60 or 65 minutes?  I don't see it this year, but what I have seen still gives me hope that this is a young team making the mistakes that can be overcome.  If next year is more of the same then I will have a much different outlook.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

BearLover

It's worth noting that we have been outshot, often badly, in the majority of games this season.  And aside from the RPI game, I cannot recall an instance in which we dominated the other team.  It seems that the shots are either close versus the ECAC bottomfeeders or we we outshot by 10 or more.  I'm not sure how many times we can say "the game was closer than the score/shot disparity" before it becomes clear that this team isn't good.  I wouldn't be surprised if last year's team beat this year's head-to-head.  Anyway, barring a miracle run, this season is in the books and next year should hopefully be better, with top ECAC teams losing some big names (Garteig, St. Denis, Vesey) and us not losing very much.

fireschafer

Schafer on the Tschantz hit:

http://cornellsun.com/2016/02/16/schafer-calls-out-tschantz-for-lack-of-focus-saturday/

Very unprofessional of Schafer (and awful for team morale) to call out a single player like that. And blame him solely for the fact Schafer hasn't won a game in over month (counting his time off the ice the past two weeks as not head coach). As you can tell by my name I am biased, but even objectively this behavior by a coach should not be tolerated.  Keep this stuff in the locker room.

Jim Hyla

Quote from: fireschaferSchafer on the Tschantz hit:

http://cornellsun.com/2016/02/16/schafer-calls-out-tschantz-for-lack-of-focus-saturday/

Very unprofessional of Schafer (and awful for team morale) to call out a single player like that. And blame him solely for the fact Schafer hasn't won a game in over month (counting his time off the ice the past two weeks as not head coach). As you can tell by my name I am biased, but even objectively this behavior by a coach should not be tolerated.  Keep this stuff in the locker room.

I don't think that this is unusual. I've heard, and read about, many coaches talk about someone taking a bad penalty. And by no means did he blame him for why the team "hasn't won a game in over a month". I don't know where you got that from.
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Trotsky

Never as good as you look when you win, blah blah blah...

Just get hot at the right time.

dbilmes

Quote from: TrotskyNever as good as you look when you win, blah blah blah...

Just get hot at the right time.
That was quite a game we played against Clarkson that year in Potsdam!

sah67

Quote from: fireschaferVery unprofessional of Schafer (and awful for team morale) to call out a single player like that.

Yeah, very unprofessional...except when it happens on a regular basis in "professional" hockey:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/michel-therrien-rips-p-k--subban-turnover-in-loss-to-avalanche-043445933.html

steveb

I don't think fireschafer meant that stuff like this doesn't happen in the pro ranks..and, I agree with his original post. Any coach remotely interested in maintaining team morale would have said something like "we took a really stupid penalty in the first period", rather than single one player out. I'm sure we'll hear soon how unruly and unmanageable this years's senior class is becoming, as well...

BearLover

Yep.  Schafer singling out specific players in the SCHOOL NEWSPAPER is wildly inappropriate.  Throwing his players under the bus--as he did repeatedly with last year's seniors--to deflect from his own systemic inability to field a winning team is reprehensible.

underskill

and here comes the Fire Schafer trolling part of the season from people who've never played hockey.

Trotsky

Coaches try to reach players in different ways.  We're not in the locker room so we have no idea what the full context is.  I am not saying Schafer is right.  I am saying we don't know.