CU @ Colgate 2/8/14

Started by Trotsky, February 03, 2014, 04:03:20 PM

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scoop85

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Quote from: Jordan 04Wasn't there a lengthy discussion a few months ago about the merits of plowing over the league, vs. finishing 3rd or 4th in a strong, nationally-ranked conference?  IIRC, most argued that the latter was to the benefit of the team, and a preferred path to, and through, the post-season.  Well, it seems that's squarely where we are with the '13-'14 squad.  We shall see how it ends.
I'm one of the guys in favor of the strong conference! I don't stress the loss to Union as much as the tie against SLU.

While I agree with you on that, it is notable that SLU took down Q in Hamden on Saturday, which was likely overlooked around these parts on account of our own "shit show," as Trotsky so aptly coined it.

Trotsky

Quote from: Jordan 04Wasn't there a lengthy discussion a few months ago about the merits of plowing over the league, vs. finishing 3rd or 4th in a strong, nationally-ranked conference?  IIRC, most argued that the latter was to the benefit of the team, and a preferred path to, and through, the post-season.  Well, it seems that's squarely where we are with the '13-'14 squad.  We shall see how it ends.

We shall.  To update the table in that thread with the current PWR:

Top 3 ECAC teams, final (except in 2014) PWR:


2002  9 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  18 RPI  22 Clk
2003  1 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  12 Hvd  19 Drt
2004 15 Col  16 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  20 Drt
2005  5 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]   9 Hvd  14 Col
2006  5 Hvd   8 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  15 Drt
2007  3 Clk  12 SLU  19 Drt
2008 10 Clk  15 Hvd  16 Prn
2009  5 Yal  11 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  12 Prn
2010  7 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]   9 Yal  19 Uni
2011  1 Yal   8 Uni  15 RPI
2012  3 Uni  13 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  21 Hvd
2013  1 Qpc  12 Uni  15 Yal
2014  3 Uni   4 Qpc   9 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]

 
To put it in perspective, we have the same PWR as we did at the end of 2002.  That season the next two best ECAC teams had a total PWR standing of 40.  This season it is 7.  

The ECAC is a totally different creature.

Jim Hyla

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jordan 04Wasn't there a lengthy discussion a few months ago about the merits of plowing over the league, vs. finishing 3rd or 4th in a strong, nationally-ranked conference?  IIRC, most argued that the latter was to the benefit of the team, and a preferred path to, and through, the post-season.  Well, it seems that's squarely where we are with the '13-'14 squad.  We shall see how it ends.

We shall.  To update the table in that thread with the current PWR:

Top 3 ECAC teams, final (except in 2014) PWR:


2002  9 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  18 RPI  22 Clk  [u]49[/u]
2003  1 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  12 Hvd  19 Drt  [u]32[/u]
2004 15 Col  16 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  20 Drt  [u]51[/u]
2005  5 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]   9 Hvd  14 Col  [u]28[/u]
2006  5 Hvd   8 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  15 Drt  [u]28[/u]
2007  3 Clk  12 SLU  19 Drt  [u]34[/u]
2008 10 Clk  15 Hvd  16 Prn  [u]41[/u]
2009  5 Yal  11 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  12 Prn  [u]28[/u]
2010  7 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]   9 Yal  19 Uni  [u]35[/u]
2011  1 Yal   8 Uni  15 RPI  [u]24[/u]
2012  3 Uni  13 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  21 Hvd  [u]37[/u]
2013  1 Qpc  12 Uni  15 Yal  [u]28[/u]
2014  3 Uni   4 Qpc   9 [color=#FF0000]Cor[/color]  [u]16[/u]

 
To put it in perspective, we have the same PWR as we did at the end of 2002.  That season the next two best ECAC teams had a total PWR standing of 40.  This season it is 7.  

The ECAC is a totally different creature.

Adding up those positions (underlined), I guess the trend is coming down. But a few more years like this one would cement that.
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Trotsky

Quote from: Jim HylaAdding up those positions (underlined), I guess the trend is coming down.

It is, significantly.  The equation for the linear trendline is y = -1.5275x + 43.846.  That's an across-the-board improvement of 1 place for each of the three teams every two seasons, sustained for 13 seasons.

TimV

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Jim HylaIt always amazes me what can happen after one bad game.
After all these years, it shouldn't.  After every terrible game over the last 30+ seasons there has been an enormous overreaction.  It's an actual technique used in therapy for people (like me) who have runaway anxiety: assume the absolute worst to stop freefalling, then work backwards to what's likely.  Put a boundary around the fear.

There's nothing wrong with it, although it's a little irritating to be inevitably labeled as a Polyanna when pointing out the rather obvious fact that even the best teams sometimes pull a stinker, and making sweeping generalizations from a small sample size is logically suspect.

So I've read. I could go for a few more "stinkers" like that. (BTW, if one reads the article, does the losing team's strategy sound vaguely familiar? ::wtf::)

I thought "Stickmen" were the lacrosse team.  The hockey guys are "Icemen."
"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."

TimV

Quote from: BearLoverIt seems almost every game, even the ones Cornell wins, there are extremely questionable calls from the refs.

Stop it!  Just STOP IT!  there are questionable calls (and non-calls) in every freakin game, and I will not stand by while we gradually turn into a crying RPI Section 7/ USCHO purveyors of mindless drivel.  I'm beggin' ya.::bang::::bang::::bang::

Except for you, Ralph, if you're lurking out there.
"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."

ursusminor

Quote from: TimV
Quote from: BearLoverIt seems almost every game, even the ones Cornell wins, there are extremely questionable calls from the refs.

Stop it!  Just STOP IT!  there are questionable calls (and non-calls) in every freakin game, and I will not stand by while we gradually turn into a crying RPI Section 7/ USCHO purveyors of mindless drivel.  I'm beggin' ya.::bang::::bang::::bang::

Except for you, Ralph, if you're lurking out there.

::whistle::