11/2 Quinnipiac

[Rita]

I've sat on the townie side in N for 22 years now.   I too notice less noise and enthusiasm compared to earlier.
 Including on the Townie side.   I see folks on their electronic pocket device even during the play of the game - even communicating with friends/family in another section rather than cheering.  

I think a nice electronic baffle closing Lynah off the air might help ... ::rolleyes::    

But it is definitely changed and not positive to me -  I try to start a LGR cheer and 12 years ago 20 or 30 folks in my section would join in,  not today.   Maybe we need to get some small groups of eLynah folks to move their season tickets to sections together so we can act as noise initiators ...  
Although still would be nicer if students section was loud and supportive more of the time.

But that would probably make the video feed so much worse for those of us not in Ithaca! ;-)

It is a sign of society. I work on a medical school campus and everyone has their phones/tablets out during seminars and lectures and most don't even bother to turn off their ringer. Very annoying. These are PHDs, MDs and their trainees.

[Rosey]

So, to sum up:

(1) Students are self-absorbed prats.
(2) Students don't care enough about the games to get there early or even on-time.
(3) Phones are the debil.
(4) The AD and their usher thugs are tyrants who want to sacrifice atmosphere for atmosphere.
(5) Cornell is no longer the big fish in a small pond.

It's death by a thousand cuts. Not one of the above is enough of a problem by itself (e.g., when has #1 not ever been true?), but taken together they have eliminated most of the Lynah edge.

[RatushnyFan]

Back to 11/2 Quinnipiac...........how did the Clifton brothers look (on the ice, playing hockey, for you literal folks)?  Connor looked like a beast as a junior player.  My son sometimes plays spring hockey with his younger brother, I'm just curious how they looked at the D1 level.

[Trotsky]

I suppose they paid some attention to the game & called it multi-tasking.   I called it lunacy.

Me too.

This is the first real gen gap thing where I've felt I was stranded irreparably on the other side and simply can never understand.  To me it looks like missing out on life, but I'm sure our parents felt that way about email and their parents felt that way about television and their parents felt that way about radio and on and on.  It's all been downhill since fire.

[Trotsky]

It is a sign of society. I work on a medical school campus and everyone has their phones/tablets out during seminars and lectures and most don't even bother to turn off their ringer. Very annoying. These are PHDs, MDs and their trainees.

Yikes.  Remind me to stick to doctors who graduated before 2000.

[MattS]

I've sat on the townie side in N for 22 years now.   I too notice less noise and enthusiasm compared to earlier.
 Including on the Townie side.   I see folks on their electronic pocket device even during the play of the game - even communicating with friends/family in another section rather than cheering.  

I think a nice electronic baffle closing Lynah off the air might help ... ::rolleyes::    

But it is definitely changed and not positive to me -  I try to start a LGR cheer and 12 years ago 20 or 30 folks in my section would join in,  not today.   Maybe we need to get some small groups of eLynah folks to move their season tickets to sections together so we can act as noise initiators ...  
Although still would be nicer if students section was loud and supportive more of the time.

I agree about the phones thing. There is a woman who sits in front of me who has her phone out the whole game texting. The only time I think she looks up from it is when the crowd cheers for a goal.

I can remember a day when say a player like Burgdorfer (sp?) would came into Lynah after his hit on Bardreau and he would have been mercilessly heckled, but what, he was booed a few times and then that was it from the students. Pathetic. Although, myself and one other gentleman who sits in M would chant "Burgdorfer Sucks!" evertime he came back to the bench. This was much to my wife's embarrasment as apparently I am "too old" for such specific heckling. Pft!

profudge - If you want/can move your seats over to M next season, then my wife and I and two other couples who sit nearby will happily join you in any cheers you would like to start. We could use the help!

[Trotsky]

Q just lost a blue chip freshman to the CHL.

[BearLover]

Does anyone know who is in charge of hockey ticket decisions?  I'd like to write them an email.

[marty]

Does anyone know who is in charge of hockey ticket decisions?  I'd like to write them an email.

Write to Andy Noel and cc coach Schafer. Repeat in April.

[Jim Hyla]

Several years ago, I got to Lynah before the doors opened before a Harvard game, and just waiting around in the Bartels linking hallway near the usual ticket-taking spot, I was able to observe the pre-game pep-talk/meeting that Gene held with all the ushers.  The general message communicated was along the lines of "Assume every single one of those students is up to No Good. If you aren't finding any Bad Things they're doing/saying, you aren't doing your job. You have the power to remove anybody, and we'll have your back if there's resistance." My interpretation from witnessing that is that they're requiring the usher staff to have an adversarial mindset from the start, and then empowering and expecting them to act on that.

I wish I had witnessed that, and gotten it on tape. Some people will only be convinced by hard evidence.

Well, hopefully most of us will only be convinced by hard evidence.  But had I witnessed that my impression would be significantly changed, and I trust Rich as an objective witness, so, yes, I am starting to waver in my intuition that the guilt is shared.  Perhaps the ushers have gotten much worse since my time there.

But again I'll say, that was "several years ago". Unless it's still a problem, why are we still bringing it up? Are we looking for a reason, when the reason is us (the fans) and the team (not winning)?

[Jim Hyla]

Maybe if we had more of this we'd have more cheering?

[andyw2100]

But again I'll say, that was "several years ago".

And on that note, there has been at least one clear relaxation of usher-enforced Lynah policy in the last few years. For several years, but not the last few, the ushers were instructed to go down to the glass and observe the students before the start of the third period, during "Gary Glitter" to make sure no one was using the "harsher" language. That hasn't been happening for at least a couple of years now.

[BMac]

Proposed first step for a fix: make the Harvard game GA. You need a ticket to get in, but you can sit anywhere- that isn't full.

Start the tradition of showing up early at that game, move on from there.

[RichH]

Several years ago, I got to Lynah before the doors opened before a Harvard game, and just waiting around in the Bartels linking hallway near the usual ticket-taking spot, I was able to observe the pre-game pep-talk/meeting that Gene held with all the ushers.  The general message communicated was along the lines of "Assume every single one of those students is up to No Good. If you aren't finding any Bad Things they're doing/saying, you aren't doing your job. You have the power to remove anybody, and we'll have your back if there's resistance." My interpretation from witnessing that is that they're requiring the usher staff to have an adversarial mindset from the start, and then empowering and expecting them to act on that.

I wish I had witnessed that, and gotten it on tape. Some people will only be convinced by hard evidence.

Well, hopefully most of us will only be convinced by hard evidence.  But had I witnessed that my impression would be significantly changed, and I trust Rich as an objective witness, so, yes, I am starting to waver in my intuition that the guilt is shared.  Perhaps the ushers have gotten much worse since my time there.

But again I'll say, that was "several years ago". Unless it's still a problem, why are we still bringing it up? Are we looking for a reason, when the reason is us (the fans) and the team (not winning)?

Indeed, indeed. This was "several years ago," when there was more of an issue with the ushering staff being overbearing police in the student sections.  It was also a Harvard game which inherently presents quite a challenge for the staff, we all must admit.  I like to think that they want to strike a balance between letting fans have fun and making sure nobody crosses the line, but for that pre-game meeting, I saw an institutional mistrust of the students.  I can only hope that that wave of attention has passed and everybody is being treated fairly again. Judging by the lack of ranting on this board recently, that seems to be the case.

I, in my stint as a long-term resident in a "townie" section, have had mostly friendly interactions with ushers.  Some grumpy interactions, too, but I'm trying to be fair.

[scoop85]

Q just lost a blue chip freshman to the CHL.

I guess the "going to class" part of college didn't work for him.