2015-18 Frozen Four Bids

[JayFisher90]

According to today's Chicago Tribune, the United Center is a Frozen Four finalist in 2015, 17 and 18 (don't know what happened to 2016). The Host is Notre Dame.   Interestingly, Chicago has also applied to host the Men's Lacrosse Final Four at Soldier Field and the Women's Lacrosse Final Four at Toyata Park.

As a Chicago suburbanite who hasn't been to a Frozen Four since it was in Milwaukee I'm rooting for Chicago.

[Rita]

According to today's Chicago Tribune, the United Center is a Frozen Four finalist in 2015, 17 and 18 (don't know what happened to 2016). The Host is Notre Dame.   Interestingly, Chicago has also applied to host the Men's Lacrosse Final Four at Soldier Field and the Women's Lacrosse Final Four at Toyata Park.

As a Chicago suburbanite who hasn't been to a Frozen Four since it was in Milwaukee I'm rooting for Chicago.

Maybe Chicago/United Center is hosting a NC$$ basketball regional in 2016. If so, it would be hard for them to lose 2 weeks to college sporting events and juggle the schedules of the Bulls and Blackhawks.

[Josh '99]

According to today's Chicago Tribune, the United Center is a Frozen Four finalist in 2015, 17 and 18 (don't know what happened to 2016). The Host is Notre Dame.   Interestingly, Chicago has also applied to host the Men's Lacrosse Final Four at Soldier Field and the Women's Lacrosse Final Four at Toyata Park.

As a Chicago suburbanite who hasn't been to a Frozen Four since it was in Milwaukee I'm rooting for Chicago.

Maybe Chicago/United Center is hosting a NC$$ basketball regional in 2016. If so, it would be hard for them to lose 2 weeks to college sporting events and juggle the schedules of the Bulls and Blackhawks.

I Googled "Chicago 2016" and was reminded that Chicago bid to host the 2016 summer Olympics, which were awarded to Rio in October 2009.  Maybe initial materials for the 2015-18 Frozen Four bids had to be submitted before then, and they left 2016 off the Frozen Four bid in case they were awarded the Olympics?  Just speculating here.

[nyc94]

Here's a list of bids I've heard of:

Frozen Four
City (Hosts):

Kansas City  (UNO)
Buffalo (MAAC, Canisius, Niagara, Buffalo Sabres, Visit Buffalo-Niagara)
Cleveland (?)
Orlando (Quinnipiac & MAAC)
Tampa (Wisconsin)
Milwaukee (Wisconsin)
Boston (My drunk friend Sully)
St. Paul (?)
Detroit (?)
Brooklyn - Barclays Center (?)
Chicago - United Center (Notre Dame)
Columbus - Nationwide Arena (?)
Philadelphia (?)
Pittsburgh (?)
DC (?)

Nashville decided not to submit a bid.

According to USCHO the Brooklyn bid is sponsored by the ECAC.  Wonder why not MSG with Cornell and now Harvard and Yale having experience dealing with their management.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Here's a list of bids I've heard of:

Frozen Four
City (Hosts):

Kansas City  (UNO)
Buffalo (MAAC, Canisius, Niagara, Buffalo Sabres, Visit Buffalo-Niagara)
Cleveland (?)
Orlando (Quinnipiac & MAAC)
Tampa (Wisconsin)
Milwaukee (Wisconsin)
Boston (My drunk friend Sully)
St. Paul (?)
Detroit (?)
Brooklyn - Barclays Center (?)
Chicago - United Center (Notre Dame)
Columbus - Nationwide Arena (?)
Philadelphia (?)
Pittsburgh (?)
DC (?)

Nashville decided not to submit a bid.

According to USCHO the Brooklyn bid is sponsored by the ECAC.  Wonder why not MSG with Cornell and now Harvard and Yale having experience dealing with their management.

Do they still have the circus at MSG that time of year?

[Jordan 04]

Here's a list of bids I've heard of:

Frozen Four
City (Hosts):

Kansas City  (UNO)
Buffalo (MAAC, Canisius, Niagara, Buffalo Sabres, Visit Buffalo-Niagara)
Cleveland (?)
Orlando (Quinnipiac & MAAC)
Tampa (Wisconsin)
Milwaukee (Wisconsin)
Boston (My drunk friend Sully)
St. Paul (?)
Detroit (?)
Brooklyn - Barclays Center (?)
Chicago - United Center (Notre Dame)
Columbus - Nationwide Arena (?)
Philadelphia (?)
Pittsburgh (?)
DC (?)

Nashville decided not to submit a bid.

According to USCHO the Brooklyn bid is sponsored by the ECAC.  Wonder why not MSG with Cornell and now Harvard and Yale having experience dealing with their management.

Do they still have the circus at MSG that time of year?

Isn't MSG a circus all year round?

[nyc94]

Do they still have the circus at MSG that time of year?

They were not at MSG this year because of the renovations.  The circus was at the Barclays Center March 20 - April 1.
The 2014 schedule on the Ringling Bros. website also does not have an MSG appearance.  Barclays (Feb. 20 - Mar. 1), Uniondale, Newark, and E. Rutherford are on the schedule.

[Josh '99]

Here's a list of bids I've heard of:

Frozen Four
City (Hosts):

Kansas City  (UNO)
Buffalo (MAAC, Canisius, Niagara, Buffalo Sabres, Visit Buffalo-Niagara)
Cleveland (?)
Orlando (Quinnipiac & MAAC)
Tampa (Wisconsin)
Milwaukee (Wisconsin)
Boston (My drunk friend Sully)
St. Paul (?)
Detroit (?)
Brooklyn - Barclays Center (?)
Chicago - United Center (Notre Dame)
Columbus - Nationwide Arena (?)
Philadelphia (?)
Pittsburgh (?)
DC (?)

Nashville decided not to submit a bid.

According to USCHO the Brooklyn bid is sponsored by the ECAC.  Wonder why not MSG with Cornell and now Harvard and Yale having experience dealing with their management.

We've covered this before - between the Rangers, the Knicks, college basketball, the circus, and concerts, MSG has a packed spring calendar.  As far as I'm aware there's never been any indication that MSG has any interest in hosting; Adam, am I mistaken?

[nyc94]

We've covered this before - between the Rangers, the Knicks, college basketball, the circus, and concerts, MSG has a packed spring calendar.  As far as I'm aware there's never been any indication that MSG has any interest in hosting; Adam, am I mistaken?

My recollection was that MSG actually floated the idea of a Frozen Four bid around five years ago. And with the Frozen Four now played on the second weekend of April it would come after the NIT and the circus have left town. That leaves the Knicks and Rangers plus concerts. Any bid submitted now would surely have a jump on the 2015-2018 concert schedule.

[billhoward]

We've covered this before - between the Rangers, the Knicks, college basketball, the circus, and concerts, MSG has a packed spring calendar.  As far as I'm aware there's never been any indication that MSG has any interest in hosting; Adam, am I mistaken?

My recollection was that MSG actually floated the idea of a Frozen Four bid around five years ago. And with the Frozen Four now played on the second weekend of April it would come after the NIT and the circus have left town. That leaves the Knicks and Rangers plus concerts. Any bid submitted now would surely have a jump on the 2015-2018 concert schedule.

Would that your recall is right. Brooklyn is the classy new arena and Brooklyn is the hot new borough, but MSG is still the place for NYC sports and it got more renovations over the summer. We live close to the Prudential Center in Newark but the excitement factor isn't the same. The MSG issue is that you can't have the Knicks / Rangers on the road for too many consecutive weekends. If the NCAA games remain semi Thursday and a single game Saturday night, you could play pro basketball or hockey Friday night, hockey Saturday 1 pm, hockey or basketball or both Sunday.

Too bad about Nashville dropping out. It has a bar scene near the arena like to equal Austin. The rules for a good host site (If it's not the nearest big city to where you live) are driveable or cheap airfare, lots of hotels, you won't get bored spending 3 days there, arena is close to where you're hanging out before/after the game. Most of the cities on the list seem okay. Columbus might be an outlier.

[Rita]

We've covered this before - between the Rangers, the Knicks, college basketball, the circus, and concerts, MSG has a packed spring calendar.  As far as I'm aware there's never been any indication that MSG has any interest in hosting; Adam, am I mistaken?

My recollection was that MSG actually floated the idea of a Frozen Four bid around five years ago. And with the Frozen Four now played on the second weekend of April it would come after the NIT and the circus have left town. That leaves the Knicks and Rangers plus concerts. Any bid submitted now would surely have a jump on the 2015-2018 concert schedule.

Would that your recall is right. Brooklyn is the classy new arena and Brooklyn is the hot new borough, but MSG is still the place for NYC sports and it got more renovations over the summer. We live close to the Prudential Center in Newark but the excitement factor isn't the same. The MSG issue is that you can't have the Knicks / Rangers on the road for too many consecutive weekends. If the NCAA games remain semi Thursday and a single game Saturday night, you could play pro basketball or hockey Friday night, hockey Saturday 1 pm, hockey or basketball or both Sunday.

Too bad about Nashville dropping out. It has a bar scene near the arena like to equal Austin. The rules for a good host site (If it's not the nearest big city to where you live) are driveable or cheap airfare, lots of hotels, you won't get bored spending 3 days there, arena is close to where you're hanging out before/after the game. Most of the cities on the list seem okay. Columbus might be an outlier.

When the NC$$ moves in for a tourney (FF or regional), there is some prep work to get the arena ready and those changes don't allow for "flip/flop" between the NC$$ event and the local home teams. For example, all the ads along the boards and on the ice that you would see at MSG (or any other arena) need to be removed and replace with NC$$ logos, the team names and any other NC$$ approved images. Also at the FF there are the open team practices on Wednesday and Friday, a fan skate and award presentations on Friday. Thus any arena hosting a FF is going to have to block out 6-7 days  and devote that solely to the NC$$. Very hard for a multi-team venue to do.

[nyc94]

We've covered this before - between the Rangers, the Knicks, college basketball, the circus, and concerts, MSG has a packed spring calendar.  As far as I'm aware there's never been any indication that MSG has any interest in hosting; Adam, am I mistaken?

My recollection was that MSG actually floated the idea of a Frozen Four bid around five years ago. And with the Frozen Four now played on the second weekend of April it would come after the NIT and the circus have left town. That leaves the Knicks and Rangers plus concerts. Any bid submitted now would surely have a jump on the 2015-2018 concert schedule.

Would that your recall is right. Brooklyn is the classy new arena and Brooklyn is the hot new borough, but MSG is still the place for NYC sports and it got more renovations over the summer. We live close to the Prudential Center in Newark but the excitement factor isn't the same. The MSG issue is that you can't have the Knicks / Rangers on the road for too many consecutive weekends. If the NCAA games remain semi Thursday and a single game Saturday night, you could play pro basketball or hockey Friday night, hockey Saturday 1 pm, hockey or basketball or both Sunday.

Too bad about Nashville dropping out. It has a bar scene near the arena like to equal Austin. The rules for a good host site (If it's not the nearest big city to where you live) are driveable or cheap airfare, lots of hotels, you won't get bored spending 3 days there, arena is close to where you're hanging out before/after the game. Most of the cities on the list seem okay. Columbus might be an outlier.

I guess it was much longer ago than I remember:  2003 http://www.uscho.com/2003/02/26/msg-to-bid-on-frozen-four/

[Jim Hyla]

The Frozen Four bids are released Wednesday.

[billhoward]

The Frozen Four bids are released Wednesday.

Writer Dan Connelly says locks to get the 2015-2018 bids Wednesday are Boston and Washington; strong consideration cities are St. Paul, Tampa, and Chicago; long shots are Brooklyn, Buffalo, Columbus, and Pittsburgh. He dislikes cities that are expensive (Boston, DC, NYC, Chicago). He dislikes that there's not as much to do in the cities that are cost-effective. He thinks Brooklyn is too small (15,813 for hockey) but doens't know if that includes luxury boxes. One useful insight is that the only way Boston gets one slot is if the NCAA ignores its preference (mandate) for a large fanfest area near the arena.

[Josh '99]

The Frozen Four bids are released Wednesday.

And while getting to NYC is easy, getting around is not. The public transit city, while broad stretching, is confusing.

BS.  The subway system here may have more stations, sure, but it's conceptually no different from those in Boston and DC that the author touts as assets to those cities' bids, not to mention (unlike other cities') it doesn't stop running before the bars close.  There are plenty of issues with the Brooklyn bid, sure, but this isn't one of them.