What is your definition of a Successful Season

[upprdeck]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

[KeithK]

This was certainly a good season. 17-10-5 is a solid record and finishing 4th in a greatly improved ECAC is nothing to sneeze at.  But it's also a disappointing season. For me it's less the actual finish (loss in semis, no bid) and more the number of missed opportunities throughout the year (e.e BU, Dartmouth) that could have resulted in solid tourney position and more hockey.

In the end though, ask yourself whether you enjoyed yourself watching Cornell hockey this season. Even with some of the frustrations it was still fun.  So from this fan's perspective it was still somewhat successful. YMMV.

[KeithK]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

As much as I want the hockey team to be good and I hate seeing good players who want to come to Ithace get rejected I'm still glad that admissions holds athletics to standards. I wouldn't support pressuring admissions to lower standards for guys with great slapshots.

[Rita]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

As much as I want the hockey team to be good and I hate seeing good players who want to come to Ithace get rejected I'm still glad that admissions holds athletics to standards. I wouldn't support pressuring admissions to lower standards for guys with great slapshots.

But maybe for guys who are snipers and can find the corners of the net? ::bolt:: (and ducking)

[Dafatone]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

As much as I want the hockey team to be good and I hate seeing good players who want to come to Ithace get rejected I'm still glad that admissions holds athletics to standards. I wouldn't support pressuring admissions to lower standards for guys with great slapshots.

But maybe for guys who are snipers and can find the corners of the net? ::bolt:: (and ducking)

I'm actually of the opinion of "screw it.  Anyone who we want/need on the team should get in, even if they can't add or subtract."  I care more about Cornell Hockey than I do Cornell, honestly, and the way I see it, Cornell as an institution would survive a couple dozen dumb hockey players just fine.

[redice]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

As much as I want the hockey team to be good and I hate seeing good players who want to come to Ithace get rejected I'm still glad that admissions holds athletics to standards. I wouldn't support pressuring admissions to lower standards for guys with great slapshots.

But maybe for guys who are snipers and can find the corners of the net? ::bolt:: (and ducking)

I'm actually of the opinion of "screw it.  Anyone who we want/need on the team should get in, even if they can't add or subtract."  I care more about Cornell Hockey than I do Cornell, honestly, and the way I see it, Cornell as an institution would survive a couple dozen dumb hockey players just fine.

From what I have heard, that mentality worked during Ned's era, FROM AN ATHLETIC STANDPOINT.    I've also been told that, because of this, Ned was not popular with some academic types on campus.   Keep in mind, this is second/third hand information from a looong time ago.

[Towerroad]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

As much as I want the hockey team to be good and I hate seeing good players who want to come to Ithace get rejected I'm still glad that admissions holds athletics to standards. I wouldn't support pressuring admissions to lower standards for guys with great slapshots.

But maybe for guys who are snipers and can find the corners of the net? ::bolt:: (and ducking)

I'm actually of the opinion of "screw it.  Anyone who we want/need on the team should get in, even if they can't add or subtract."  I care more about Cornell Hockey than I do Cornell, honestly, and the way I see it, Cornell as an institution would survive a couple dozen dumb hockey players just fine.

One obvious solution would be for Cornell to leave the Ivy League. Would you go that far? If not then there is no chance of achieving this result.

[Dafatone]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

As much as I want the hockey team to be good and I hate seeing good players who want to come to Ithace get rejected I'm still glad that admissions holds athletics to standards. I wouldn't support pressuring admissions to lower standards for guys with great slapshots.

But maybe for guys who are snipers and can find the corners of the net? ::bolt:: (and ducking)

I'm actually of the opinion of "screw it.  Anyone who we want/need on the team should get in, even if they can't add or subtract."  I care more about Cornell Hockey than I do Cornell, honestly, and the way I see it, Cornell as an institution would survive a couple dozen dumb hockey players just fine.

One obvious solution would be for Cornell to leave the Ivy League. Would you go that far? If not then there is no chance of achieving this result.

Why not?  Do we have to show our admissions results to other schools?  If we let in a hockey player with a low SAT score, is someone going to hold us accountable for it?

[Robb]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

As much as I want the hockey team to be good and I hate seeing good players who want to come to Ithace get rejected I'm still glad that admissions holds athletics to standards. I wouldn't support pressuring admissions to lower standards for guys with great slapshots.

But maybe for guys who are snipers and can find the corners of the net? ::bolt:: (and ducking)

I'm actually of the opinion of "screw it.  Anyone who we want/need on the team should get in, even if they can't add or subtract."  I care more about Cornell Hockey than I do Cornell, honestly, and the way I see it, Cornell as an institution would survive a couple dozen dumb hockey players just fine.

One obvious solution would be for Cornell to leave the Ivy League. Would you go that far? If not then there is no chance of achieving this result.

Why not?  Do we have to show our admissions results to other schools?  If we let in a hockey player with a low SAT score, is someone going to hold us accountable for it?

Really?  You follow an Ivy sport and have never heard of the Academic Index?  Read up on that - the answer is "yes."

[Dafatone]

interesting how high we hold the expectations for the team.  as much as we want better players and better results maybe we should be putting some pressure on admissions.  no doubt the team would be a bit better of some of the kids they wanted could actually get into the school, if a kid can get in yale/harvard he should be able to get into cornell..

As much as I want the hockey team to be good and I hate seeing good players who want to come to Ithace get rejected I'm still glad that admissions holds athletics to standards. I wouldn't support pressuring admissions to lower standards for guys with great slapshots.

But maybe for guys who are snipers and can find the corners of the net? ::bolt:: (and ducking)

I'm actually of the opinion of "screw it.  Anyone who we want/need on the team should get in, even if they can't add or subtract."  I care more about Cornell Hockey than I do Cornell, honestly, and the way I see it, Cornell as an institution would survive a couple dozen dumb hockey players just fine.

One obvious solution would be for Cornell to leave the Ivy League. Would you go that far? If not then there is no chance of achieving this result.

Why not?  Do we have to show our admissions results to other schools?  If we let in a hockey player with a low SAT score, is someone going to hold us accountable for it?

Really?  You follow an Ivy sport and have never heard of the Academic Index?  Read up on that - the answer is "yes."

Cool, thanks.

[upprdeck]

there are lots of kids getting into cornell with way worse grades than the ones who the hockey team cant get admitted.

[Trotsky]

Men:

4th in RS + Make Lake Placid

or

Score on a penalty shot

Met.

[KGR11]

I expected Lake Placid and wasn't sure whether to expect a bid.  Pretty much met my bar.

Looking back on the season, I think the main disappointment for me is that we only beat a team that was "better" than us (based on end-of-season pairwise) once when we beat Q in Connecticut and had a 14.3% winning percentage.  On the opposite side, we lost to teams that were "worse" than us 5 times: Clarkson @ Potsdam, BU @ MSG, RPI @ Lynah, Dartmouth @ Lynah, Clarkson @ Lynah.  Against these teams, we had a 70% win percentage, which I feel was at least 10% too low.

[Trotsky]

I expected Lake Placid and wasn't sure whether to expect a bid.  Pretty much met my bar.

Looking back on the season, I think the main disappointment for me is that we only beat a team that was "better" than us (based on end-of-season pairwise) once when we beat Q in Connecticut and had a 14.3% winning percentage.  On the opposite side, we lost to teams that were "worse" than us 5 times: Clarkson @ Potsdam, BU @ MSG, RPI @ Lynah, Dartmouth @ Lynah, Clarkson @ Lynah.  Against these teams, we had a 70% win percentage, which I feel was at least 10% too low.

Our two wins against Yale pushed them below us.  I count the road win as a second win against a good team.

This is an attempt to get at what you're talking about, within conference.  Our records were 1-4-1 .214 against teams ranked higher and 10-3-3 .719 against teams below us.  The Dartmouth results really show up as unfortunate.  The only times we have finished with 1 or 0 points against a team at least 6 slots behind us in the 12-team era were:

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2014 0-1-1 6 Drt
2012 0-1-1 8 RPI
2004 0-1-1 6 Uni
1997 0-1-1 8 Yal
1986 0-1-1 6 Prn

[KGR11]

I expected Lake Placid and wasn't sure whether to expect a bid.  Pretty much met my bar.

Looking back on the season, I think the main disappointment for me is that we only beat a team that was "better" than us (based on end-of-season pairwise) once when we beat Q in Connecticut and had a 14.3% winning percentage.  On the opposite side, we lost to teams that were "worse" than us 5 times: Clarkson @ Potsdam, BU @ MSG, RPI @ Lynah, Dartmouth @ Lynah, Clarkson @ Lynah.  Against these teams, we had a 70% win percentage, which I feel was at least 10% too low.

Our two wins against Yale pushed them below us.  I count the road win as a second win against a good team.

This is an attempt to get at what you're talking about, within conference.  Our records were 1-4-1 .214 against teams ranked higher and 10-2-3 .767 against teams below us.  The Dartmouth results really show up as unfortunate.  The only times we have finished with 1 or 0 points against a team at least 6 slots behind us in the 12-team era were:

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2014 0-1-1 6 Drt
2012 0-1-1 8 RPI
2004 0-1-1 6 Uni
1997 0-1-1 8 Yal
1986 0-1-1 6 Prn

The Yale wins definitely felt like good, especially since they were the reigning champs.  You make a good point that if you beat a team enough, it makes their record worse, and makes them look like a worse team.

Thanks for the link, too.  It gave additional insight.  I looked at the 2010-2011 and 2006-2007 seasons (the last two years we were a 4 seed) to see how we did against non-conference opponents.  2010-2011 saw us go 2-4-1, with NC wins against Alabama-Huntsville and Colgate, while 2006-2007 saw us go 4-3, with NC losses to Wayne State and Sacred Heart.  Pretty weak compared to a 4-1-1 this season.