Cornell lacrosse 2014

[billhoward]

Penn beat Harvard in overtime so Cornell and Harvard are tied for the Ivy lead and right to host the tournament except the first tie is broken by the head to head winner, Harvard. Cornell is likely to win out (?) based on the relative standings of the Ivy League. Harvard should beat Princeton; let's hope Yale takes down host Harvard April 26 to create a 4-way tie at 4-2 that we'd win.

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[b]Cornell    3-1  Ivy to play: Brown, Princeton @ Bethpage[/b]
Harvard    3-1  Ivy to play: Princeton, Yale
Yale       3-2  Ivy to play: [Michigan], @ Harvard [s]Yale[/s]
Penn       3-2  Ivy to play: Dartmouth, [Towson]
Princeton  2-2  
Brown      1-3
Dartmouuth 0-4


[Robb]

Penn beat Harvard in overtime so Cornell and Harvard are tied for the Ivy lead and right to host the tournament except the first tie is broken by the head to head winner, Harvard. Cornell is likely to win out (?) based on the relative standings of the Ivy League. Harvard should beat Princeton; let's hope Yale takes down host Harvard April 26 to create a 4-way tie at 4-2 that we'd win.

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[b]Cornell    3-1  Ivy to play: Brown, Princeton @ Bethpage[/b]
Harvard    3-1  Ivy to play: Princeton, Yale
Yale       3-2  Ivy to play: [Michigan], [b]@ Yale[/b]
Penn       3-2  Ivy to play: Dartmouth, [Towson]
Princeton  2-2  
Brown      1-3
Dartmouuth 0-4


Yale is playing with themselves?

[Killer]

Penn beat Harvard in overtime so Cornell and Harvard are tied for the Ivy lead and right to host the tournament except the first tie is broken by the head to head winner, Harvard. Cornell is likely to win out (?) based on the relative standings of the Ivy League. Harvard should beat Princeton; let's hope Yale takes down host Harvard April 26 to create a 4-way tie at 4-2 that we'd win.

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[b]Cornell    3-1  Ivy to play: Brown, Princeton @ Bethpage[/b]
Harvard    3-1  Ivy to play: Princeton, Yale
Yale       3-2  Ivy to play: [Michigan], [b]@ Yale[/b]
Penn       3-2  Ivy to play: Dartmouth, [Towson]
Princeton  2-2  
Brown      1-3
Dartmouuth 0-4


Yale is playing with themselves?

Yeah, it's a common thing in New Haven.

[billhoward]

Penn beat Harvard in overtime so Cornell and Harvard are tied for the Ivy lead and right to host the tournament except the first tie is broken by the head to head winner, Harvard. Cornell is likely to win out (?) based on the relative standings of the Ivy League. Harvard should beat Princeton; let's hope Yale takes down host Harvard April 26 to create a 4-way tie at 4-2 that we'd win.

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[b]Cornell    3-1  Ivy to play: Brown, Princeton @ Bethpage[/b]
Harvard    3-1  Ivy to play: Princeton, Yale
Yale       3-2  Ivy to play: [Michigan], [b]@ Yale[/b]
Penn       3-2  Ivy to play: Dartmouth, [Towson]
Princeton  2-2  
Brown      1-3
Dartmouuth 0-4


Yale is playing with themselves?

Like there's a difference?

[CU77]

Complete list of Ivy tournament scenarios with 6 Ivy games left to play:

If a game is not listed on a line, it means that its outcome does not change the seeds (usually BvD, but sometimes CvPr).

C>B Pe>D Pr>H C>Pr Y>H: C-Pe-Y-Pr
C>B Pe>D Pr>H C>Pr H>Y: C-Pe-H-Y
C>B Pe>D Pr>H Pr>C Y>H: Pr-C-Pe-Y
C>B Pe>D Pr>H Pr>C H>Y: Pr-H-C-Pe
C>B Pe>D H>Pr Y>H: C-Pe-Y-H
C>B Pe>D H>Pr H>Y: H-C-Pe-Y

C>B D>Pe Pr>H C>Pr Y>H: C-Y-Pr-Pe
C>B D>Pe Pr>H C>Pr H>Y: C-H-Pr-Y
C>B D>Pe Pr>H Pr>C Y>H: Pr-C-Y-Pe
C>B D>Pe Pr>H Pr>C H>Y: Pr-H-C-Pe
C>B D>Pe H>Pr C>Pr Y>H: C-Y-H-Pe
C>B D>Pe H>Pr Pr>C Y>H: Y-H-C-Pr
C>B D>Pe H>Pr H>Y: H-C-Pe-Y

B>C Pe>D Pr>H C>Pr Y>H B>D: C-Pe-Y-H
B>C Pe>D Pr>H C>Pr Y>H D>B: C-Pe-Y-Pr
B>C Pe>D Pr>H C>Pr H>Y: H-C-Pe-Y
B>C Pe>D Pr>H Pr>C Y>H: Pr-Pe-Y-H
B>C Pe>D Pr>H Pr>C H>Y B>D: Pr-Pe-H-Y
B>C Pe>D Pr>H Pr>C H>Y D>B: Pr-Pe-H-C
B>C Pe>D H>Pr C>Pr Y>H: C-Pe-Y-H
B>C Pe>D H>Pr C>Pr H>Y: H-C-Pe-Y
B>C Pe>D H>Pr Pr>C Y>H B>D: Pe-Y-H-B
B>C Pe>D H>Pr Pr>C Y>H D>B: Pe-Y-H-Pr
B>C Pe>D H>Pr Pr>C H>Y B>D: H-Pe-Y-B
B>C Pe>D H>Pr Pr>C H>Y D>B: H-Pe-Y-Pr

B>C D>Pe Pr>H C>Pr Y>H: C-Y-Pr-Pe
B>C D>Pe Pr>H C>Pr H>Y B>D: H-C-Pe-Y
B>C D>Pe Pr>H C>Pr H>Y D>B: H-C-Pr-Pe
B>C D>Pe Pr>H Pr>C Y>H B>D: Y-Pr-Pe-H
B>C D>Pe Pr>H Pr>C Y>H D>B: Y-Pr-C-Pe
B>C D>Pe Pr>H Pr>C H>Y: Pr-H-C-Pe
B>C D>Pe H>Pr C>Pr Y>H: C-Y-H-Pe
B>C D>Pe H>Pr C>Pr H>Y: H-C-Pe-Y
B>C D>Pe H>Pr Pr>C Y>H B>D: Y-H-B-Pr
B>C D>Pe H>Pr Pr>C Y>H D>B: Y-H-Pr-C
B>C D>Pe H>Pr Pr>C H>Y B>D: H-Pe-Y-B
B>C D>Pe H>Pr Pr>C H>Y D>B: H-Pr-C-Pe

[CU77]

We're now down to

Y>H: C-Pe-Y-H
H>Y: H-C-Pe-Y

Go Elis!

[djk26]

We're now down to

Y>H: C-Pe-Y-H
H>Y: H-C-Pe-Y

Go Elis!

What is the tiebreaker if Cornell and Harvard both lose this week?  This would make them both 4-2 in the league, with Harvard beating Cornell head to head.  From reading a thread from a few years ago, I thought the first tiebreaker was head to head result, but is it actually record against teams in the tournament?

[semsox]

The outcome of the Harvard/Yale game is the only remaining decider. A Yale W over Harvard creates a multiple tie at first where direct H2H no longer works as a tiebreaker. If Cornell loses to Princeton and Yale beats Harvard, Cornell/Harvard/Yale/Penn would all tie at 4-2, which Cornell presumably wins due to having a 2-1 record against the remainder, and then a H2H tiebreaker over Penn who would also have a 2-1 record.

[djk26]

Thanks, semsox.  I forgot that there would be more than 2 teams in the tie.  I'm going to go out an a limb and say that you are from Boston based on the "sox" in your user name.  If so, happy Patriots Day.  If not, happy Patriots Day anyway.  :-)

[semsox]

The sox part is indeed a Red Sox reference, though I confess I am not from the Boston area. Still became a fan before 2004 though, so there's that.

[kingpin248]

Final from New Haven - Harvard 11, Yale 10. :-( The Crimson host the tournament and rematch with the Bulldogs; Cornell vs. Penn in the other semifinal.

[billhoward]

Final from New Haven - Harvard 11, Yale 10. :-( The Crimson host the tournament and rematch with the Bulldogs; Cornell vs. Penn in the other semifinal.

Crimson squeak by with one-goal wins the last 2 weeks. You'd think between Princeton and Yale, one of them could have done the trick and knocked Harvard out of the league title tie.

[margolism]

Strangely, I like the Ivy tournament match ups more this way than if Cornell was hosting.
Yale seeking revenge, Cornell not facing Harvard in game one, Cornell enhancing resume for NCAA tournament with neutral site game vs. Penn.  I think this might be better for Cornell than even hosting the tournament.

I am not a betting guy, but after today's game, I feel pretty confident I would win this one:
- Christian Knight gets named Ivy rookie or player of the week
- Christian Kmight named Ivy rookie of the year

So who expected Marshall Peters to get more points than Tom Schreiber?

[billhoward]

For the first time since March, Cornell has beaten a ranked team. We needed this win. Too bad we're not hosting the tournament but Harvard eked out two one-goal wins over Princeton then Yale the last two weeks. And as noted elsewhere, Harvard winds up in the other half of the bracket in a rematch with Yale; our chances seem best against Penn, our Friday opponent.

Christian Knight (16 saves, 62%) was incredible especially in the fourth quarter when Princeton got off 10 shots and scored on none. Too bad we couldn't have borrowed him from the sixth grade travel team for that Syracuse game in Foxboro. The one we don't believe ever happened. We saw Matt Donovan get some points and he had a top ten highlights shot leaping high above the net and taking a feed (except he didn't score, but damn that was impressive). Freshman defenseman Marshall Peters lugged the ball upfield twice and scored. Our settled attack at times was a lot more hesitant about going to goal than Peters.

Cornell won 12 faceoffs, Princeton 14. Doug Tesoriero is both the Cornellian with the most faceoff wins ever and scary (not always in a good way) when matched against another good faceoff specialist (Harvard). Princeton caused him a lot of trouble handling the ball after he won a faceoff. He tossed one (two?) passes over the head of the attackman behind the net and lost one that dribbled out of bounds. On faceoffs, Penn is the best draw for the first game of the Ivy tournament. In the regular season:

Penn: Cornell 18-12 faceoffs
Yale: Yale 13-10
Harvard: Harvard 20-7

Not a bad turnout at Bethpage HS. Attendance was 4500 and could have held 1000-1500 more with the end zone seats not filled Saturday. It was more a carnival with a lax game tossed in: Lax displays and contests, raffles, the FIOS signup tent (does somebody not yet have cable?), hospitality tents. Gorgeous weather. The 70% chance of rain turned out to be 0% and sunny during the game, then lots of rain an hour after. A second, women's college, game (making it The Battle of Bethpage) must have been drenched.

It goes without saying that the statistic Cornell dominated most was fan attendance.

I like our chances in the Ivy tournament. For the NCAAs, we need to ratchet up the level of play to where it was in March.

[edit add] A different view on how Tesoriero helped Cornell http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/cornell-tops-princeton-12-10-in-battle-of-bethpage/28345

With so many momentum swings during the game, the face-off battle became a crucial component. Both drawmen, Doug Tesoriero and Justin Murphy, deserve credit for their hard work at the dot. It was crazy and thrilling to see how much offense was generated following a skirmish at the restart. While the Tigers won 14-of-26 for the game, Tesoriero was influential in keeping possession balanced, never allowing Murphy or Princeton to go on a serious run. "Doug really turned the game for us," said Kerwick. "He was crucial at the face-off X. That was a battle. Their guys did a nice job against Doug. He just kept fighting. Even when we lost a couple, he would come back and win the next one for us."

The senior FOGO also added two assists and scooped up eight groundballs. Both helpers were earned from great individual plays that resulted in long pole Marshall Peters putting the ball in the back of the net twice ... It was easy to see how energized his teammates looked on the Cornell bench.

[CU77]

I agree that I like this set of Ivy match-ups for us. I did not like the idea of Harvard coming back into Schoellkopf for a semifinal, with Harvard likely needing an Ivy tournament win to make the NCAAs (which is still true). And of course it's always nice to get a win over Princeton!

Attendance at Bethpage was higher than at the ACC semis.