Cornell @ Aints

[TimV]

We don't want to start sounding like RPI fans on USCHO that tend toward 50 page threads that are mostly decrying their persecution by the officials.  They would be laughing behind their hands at  us, since they are convinced, in spite of any measurable indicators (like team rank PIM) that you show them, that we always get a favorable whistle.::rolleyes::

::whistle::

Yeah, I don't associate this behavior with RPI fans either.

You don't read those threads much, do you?  Or it's only their half dozen regulars.  Except you. Ralph.;-)

[RichH]

We're either getting more than our fair share of "horrendous calls"... or maybe they aren't all so "horrendous."

I agree with you.  

We don't want to start sounding like RPI fans on USCHO that tend toward 50 page threads that are mostly decrying their persecution by the officials.  They would be laughing behind their hands at  us, since they are convinced, in spite of any measurable indicators (like team rank PIM) that you show them, that we always get a favorable whistle.::rolleyes::

::whistle::

Yeah, I don't associate this behavior with RPI fans either.

SLU are the paragon of "just remember, you can't hammer the last nail in yourself," but after listening to their announcers over the years I know why.  There is no worse whining, mewling, self-martyred homerism on the air waves, and that's including Boston.  If SLU fans have had that drivel poured into their ears for decades it's no wonder they are so laughable in their victimhood.

I didn't listen to them last night, but I remember from past years that the SLU announcers are the worst possible things.

Some day, I want to compare those guys and Brown's broadcast team calling the same game. Just to see who I believe less when they each claim their team just got handed the worst travesty ever dished out by officials.

[Trotsky]

Some day, I want to compare those guys and Brown's broadcast team calling the same game. Just to see who I believe less when they each claim their team just got handed the worst travesty ever dished out by officials.

It would be outstanding to have the video of an SLU-Brown game with the audio calls laid side-by-side.  Right out of a Jim Maas lecture on confirmation bias.

[Trotsky]

We don't want to start sounding like RPI fans on USCHO that tend toward 50 page threads that are mostly decrying their persecution by the officials.  They would be laughing behind their hands at  us, since they are convinced, in spite of any measurable indicators (like team rank PIM) that you show them, that we always get a favorable whistle.::rolleyes::

::whistle::

Yeah, I don't associate this behavior with RPI fans either.

You don't read those threads much, do you?  Or it's only their half dozen regulars.  Except you. Ralph.;-)

Perhaps not.  I used to check in on their game threads when I was active on USCHO.  I think I tend to just judge them by the their more intelligent and mature posters, like Ralph.  That still can't save Minny or BC threads, though.

[ursusminor]

We don't want to start sounding like RPI fans on USCHO that tend toward 50 page threads that are mostly decrying their persecution by the officials.  They would be laughing behind their hands at  us, since they are convinced, in spite of any measurable indicators (like team rank PIM) that you show them, that we always get a favorable whistle.::rolleyes::

::whistle::

Yeah, I don't associate this behavior with RPI fans either.

You don't read those threads much, do you?  Or it's only their half dozen regulars.  Except you. Ralph.;-)

Perhaps not.  I used to check in on their game threads when I was active on USCHO.  I think I tend to just judge them by the their more intelligent and mature posters, like Ralph.  That still can't save Minny or BC threads, though.

I do think that things tend to even out over the course of the season, and most of the penalties that we get are deserved, but what we remember are the bad calls that go against us. I certainly do. The real problem is that the ECAC refs, seen as a group, are not good, and several feel that it is their duty to affect the outcome of the game, one way or another.

This year RPI is not a heavily penalized team. RPI currently ranks close to the middle of the pack, 31st of the 59 teams http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/national/d1m, in penalty minutes per game, and you know who number one is.

Our game threads have become more like chat threads, and I am as much of an offender as anyone.

[Trotsky]

and you know who number one is.

Yup, and we deserve it.  Cornell can't blame the refs this year (with the one possible exception being the Denver series).

[Jim Hyla]

When I looked at the penalty minutes, I was surprised we weren't worse off. I don't know how many 5 & 10's we have had, but subtract those (I only wish) and we would be very pedestrian in penalty minutes. I didn't see Lowry's penalty and have heard various thoughts about it. Was it on the video, if anyone was watching, and how was it described on the air?

Anyone who says coach can't coach offense should look again at the 2 man goal he drew up, it was a thing of beauty. I still say our problem is our defense, and 5 & 10s, and not offense. But it's become a long season. I only hope we can get home ice for the prelims.

[BearLover]

When I looked at the penalty minutes, I was surprised we weren't worse off. I don't know how many 5 & 10's we have had, but subtract those (I only wish) and we would be very pedestrian in penalty minutes. I didn't see Lowry's penalty and have heard various thoughts about it. Was it on the video, if anyone was watching, and how was it described on the air?

Anyone who says coach can't coach offense should look again at the 2 man goal he drew up, it was a thing of beauty. I still say our problem is our defense, and 5 & 10s, and not offense. But it's become a long season. I only hope we can get home ice for the prelims.

Our problem is our defense when we have the 2nd lowest GPG in the ECAC and the second fewest GAPG (we did before this weekend, at least)?

[ursusminor]

When I looked at the penalty minutes, I was surprised we weren't worse off. I don't know how many 5 & 10's we have had, but subtract those (I only wish) and we would be very pedestrian in penalty minutes. I didn't see Lowry's penalty and have heard various thoughts about it. Was it on the video, if anyone was watching, and how was it described on the air?

Anyone who says coach can't coach offense should look again at the 2 man goal he drew up, it was a thing of beauty. I still say our problem is our defense, and 5 & 10s, and not offense. But it's become a long season. I only hope we can get home ice for the prelims.

Does Cornell have a higher percentage of 5- and-10 minute penalties than other teams? Personally I wouldn't count the 10-minute penalites in penalty minute totals, but I would count the 5s.

[Trotsky]

Does Cornell have a higher percentage of 5- and-10 minute penalties than other teams? Personally I wouldn't count the 10-minute penalites in penalty minute totals, but I would count the 5s.

We have a shitload of GMs compared to years past.  Completely off the top of my head, I would say our average # GMs for a season of more than 30 games is maybe 2 -- it's a rarity.  This year we have 7 or even more in 21 games.  It's truly nuts.

Now it may be that this is happening across the league; that I would not know (and at that point all I have to go on is comparative PIM, where we are Jack the Ripper.)

Again purely anecdotally it seems to me our frequency of stupid, self-destructive penalties -- crap after the whistle, crosschecks, hits from behind, offensive zone penalties, Joel Lowry Faceoff Nut Spears -- is also through the roof.  This isn't a slow team rolling up impedance minors when they fall behind the play.  It's, for lack of a better word, goonery.  Where in years past we would have delivered a solid check, this year it's bitchy little stick play.

It's Bob Gaudet Hockey, and it's embarrassing.

[Trotsky]

This year's 5s and 10s:

Opp

10-26 CC Boivin 10 Misc
11-03 Col Spinks 10 Misc
11-03 Col Larkin 10 Misc
11-30 Clk Frederick 10 Misc
11-30 Clk Boak 10 Misc
11-30 Clk McPherson 5 Hitting after Whistle
11-30 Clk McPherson 10 GM
11-30 Clk Christian 10 GM
12-29 Mai Hutton 10 Misc
01-04 Den Mayfield 5 Grasping the Facemask
01-04 Den Mayfield 10 GM
01-19 RPI Burgdoerfer 5 Checking from Behind
01-19 RPI Burgdoerfer 10 GM

Cor

11-03 Col Ferlin 10 Misc
11-03 Col Mowrey 10 Misc
11-30 Clk McCarron 5 Leaving Bench
11-30 Clk McCarron 10 GM
12-01 SLU de Swardt 10 Misc
12-28 FSU Mowrey 10 GM
12-29 Mai Lowry 10 Misc
12-29 Mai Ferlin 10 GM
01-05 Den Tiitenen 5 Contact to the Head
01-05 Den Tiitenen 10 GM
01-05 Den Axell 5 Contact to the Head
01-05 Den Axell 10 GM
01-05 Den de Swardt 5 Spearing
01-05 Den de Swardt 10 GM
01-05 Den McCarron  5 Obscene Language
01-05 Den McCarron  10 DQ
01-05 Den Team 10 GM Abuse of Officials
02-01 SLU Maconald 5 Boarding
02-02 Clk Lowry 5 Hitting from Behind
02-02 Clk Lowry 10 GM

[css228]

Does Cornell have a higher percentage of 5- and-10 minute penalties than other teams? Personally I wouldn't count the 10-minute penalites in penalty minute totals, but I would count the 5s.

We have a shitload of GMs compared to years past.  Completely off the top of my head, I would say our average # GMs for a season of more than 30 games is maybe 2 -- it's a rarity.  This year we have 7 or even more in 21 games.  It's truly nuts.

Now it may be that this is happening across the league; that I would not know (and at that point all I have to go on is comparative PIM, where we are Jack the Ripper.)

Again purely anecdotally it seems to me our frequency of stupid, self-destructive penalties -- crap after the whistle, crosschecks, hits from behind, offensive zone penalties, Joel Lowry Faceoff Nut Spears -- is also through the roof.  This isn't a slow team rolling up impedance minors when they fall behind the play.  It's, for lack of a better word, goonery.  Where in years past we would have delivered a solid check, this year it's bitchy little stick play.

It's Bob Gaudet Hockey, and it's embarrassing.

Exactly. They take stupid penalties when they know their penalty kill sucks. Teams can have a lot of penalty minutes and still be successful (73-74, 74-75, and 75-76 Flyers all come to mind, although they may have benefitted from an inordinate amount of their penalties being matching fighting majors), but they can't be successful when they take a lot of penalty minutes and their penalty kill is truly awful. That's a recipe for losing 8 of 9.

[TimV]

we are Jack the Ripper.

Good one, Greg.  But I think we're more these guys:

[French Rage]

We don't want to start sounding like RPI fans on USCHO that tend toward 50 page threads that are mostly decrying their persecution by the officials.  They would be laughing behind their hands at  us, since they are convinced, in spite of any measurable indicators (like team rank PIM) that you show them, that we always get a favorable whistle.::rolleyes::

::whistle::

Yeah, I don't associate this behavior with RPI fans either.

You don't read those threads much, do you?  Or it's only their half dozen regulars.  Except you. Ralph.;-)

Perhaps not.  I used to check in on their game threads when I was active on USCHO.  I think I tend to just judge them by the their more intelligent and mature posters, like Ralph.  That still can't save Minny or BC threads, though.

Even among the RPI posters in those threads, it's one numbnut in particular who does all of the complaining.  We all know exactly who I'm talking about.

[ScrewBU]

we are Jack the Ripper.

Good one, Greg.  But I think we're more these guys:

If I were the type that likes a good conspiracy theory (and I am,) I would say that perhaps coach knows his time is up and this is how he's choosing to go out.  Maybe he doesn't like the general direction the game is taking and this is his final screw you?   It would explain a lot of the brutally ugly stuff.  I don't think it's that hard to believe.  Certainly in the same realm of believe-ability as the refs are out to get us.

The smoking gun for me would be Ferlin's stick to the groin "cup check" in the Yale game.  It was right on the faceoff, near Section A, in a nationally televised game (I think was still a close game at that point, and as I recall it was mid 3rd period.)  For a player to do that and play the next night, you know the coach is OK with it.   You can't even make the excuse that it was "in the heat of the moment" because it happens every goddamn game.  Lowry gave a guy a good nut shot.  There's just no way that it can happen this often without the coach's consent.